Kincaid: America ‘May Not Survive’ Caitlyn Jenner

I’m trying my best to ignore the whole Caitlyn Jenner story, but I’m really quite fascinated by the furious reaction to it from the bigots, who seem to think that this somehow personally affects them. Cliff Kincaid, always armed and ludicrous as always, thinks it’s so horrible that it might destroy the entire nation!

While we expect the liberal media to trumpet this new progression in the never-ending campaign for new rights for sexual minorities, it is troubling that conservative media personalities have jumped on the bandwagon, contributing to the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on a whim, from day to day, depending on the circumstances or how someone feels.

During a period when America desperately needs strong families grounded in the traditional male-female relationship, this message of sexual confusion can have an extremely damaging impact on young people who may be going through challenging periods in their lives.

The truth is that the media have already bought into this hoax and are too far gone, and the United States may be on the inevitable decline as well.

The “courage” we really need is that which stands up to this decline and affirms the traditional relationships based on America’s founding values. But it appears it is just too much to ask for this kind of courage from the media.

America’s families will pay the price. The nation may not survive, as it becomes a laughingstock before self-destructing or becoming easy pickings for a determined foreign adversary.

As always, the power these people ascribe to The Gay (or anything they see as vaguely related to it) is truly staggering. Caitlyn Jenner’s transition, which will not affect Cliff Kincaid’s life in any way whatsoever, is going to destroy the entire nation! Sounds like a pretty fragile nation, doesn’t it?

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  • Annie Bruce

    If the existence of Caitlyn Jenner is enough to destroy America, America is worthless and the sooner it’s destroyed the sooner we can build a new country that’s actually worth something.

  • eric

    The fundie’s appeal to the IOC to have Jenner’s medals revoked has already been denied. That took, what, less than 24 hours? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an international sports organization make a decision that fast.

  • John Pieret

    contributing to the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on a whim, from day to day

    Umm … Caitlyn has, we are told, undergone 10 hours of facial surgery and, based on the pictures, undergone considerable hormonal treatment and, probably, breast enhancement surgery. That’s hardly on a whim that can change from day to day. It’s rather strong evidence that she has a real need to align her body with her gender.

  • StevoR

    Does this fool think the continents are made of talcum powder or something?

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    Is it possible he is confusing Jenner with Tetsuo from Akira?

  • raven

    Kincaid: America ‘May Not Survive’ Caitlyn Jenner

    and

    Annie Bruce:

    If the existence of Caitlyn Jenner is enough to destroy America, America is worthless and the sooner it’s destroyed the sooner we can build a new country that’s actually worth something.

    What I was going to say.

    Caitlyn Jenner is more powerful than god, jesus, and all the angels. The xian gods have been shrinking at an amazing rate.

  • Synfandel

    …the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on a whim, from day to day, depending on the circumstances or how someone feels.

    Irony alert! That’s exactly what the religious right wingers claim: that one’s sexuality is a choice. They deny that a gay, lesbian, or transgender person is immutably so from birth. Caitlyn Jenner did not wake up last Tuesday and say, “I’m bored with this maleness thing; I think I’ll become a woman.”

  • Synfandel

    @6 raven wrote, “The xian gods have been shrinking at an amazing rate.”

    Sir Terry Pratchett may have got it right in Small Gods. A god is literally only as powerful as the number and fervor of his believers. As the nones rise, Yahweh becomes more lethargic and feeble.

  • cptdoom

    Umm … Caitlyn has, we are told, undergone 10 hours of facial surgery and, based on the pictures, undergone considerable hormonal treatment and, probably, breast enhancement surgery. That’s hardly on a whim that can change from day to day. It’s rather strong evidence that she has a real need to align her body with her gender.

    It’s far more effort than even that. The most recent surgery was over 10 hours; there have been several surgeries before that, not to mention what I believe is a year’s required counseling before you can even get approval to start the transition process. Not to mention decades of worry, doubt, pain and difficulty wrestling with this issue that Caitlyn has gone through.

    I will admit that, although I find the entire Kardashian phenomenon both confusing (why are these people famous again?) and revolting, I did watch the special they did about Jenner’s transition. Sure it was as staged as any of the other episodes of their “reality” program, but it ended up being a pretty compelling 2 hours of television. I guess even vapid reality stars can sound intelligent when they have something real to discuss. The most insightful thing said, believe it or not, came from Kim Kardashian who compared what Jenner is going through to Kardashian’s pregnancy. Kim noted how foreign her body felt during pregnancy, and how much she disliked that feeling. Jenner, Kim noted, has been dealing with those feelings for 50 years, not just 9 months.

  • caseloweraz

    Heard from an NPR reporter while I was typing this: “The jump in hiring sent stocks lower this morning with the fear that it might cause the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates.”

    I’ve been hearing this sort of thing for months. Business interests are apparently terrified at the prospect of a higher interest rate. How much higher? My guess is a quarter of a percent. The fact that they lived quite well under even higher rates in the past is forgotten. The same goes for tax rates; and never mind the fact that the wealthy pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. Authorities consistently warn that an increase in tax rates will crush the “job creators.”

    Similarly, any prospect of change in business operations is painted as disruptive to the point of being deadly. Regulations on coal ash are called a “war on coal.” Proposals to remove the subsidies on the hugely profitable oil industry are bitterly resisted. Certain politicians insist that a carbon tax will “destroy the economy.”

    It is the same in the social-policy realm. Christianists reflexively proclaim their horror at the slightest disagreement with their point of view. People object to a business refusing to serve a same-sex marriage? This is called a horrible attack on the business owner’s right to earn a livelihood. It’s predicted to soon lead to the criminalization of Christianity. Someone undergoes a lengthy process of conversion from a man to a woman? This is described as a whim, and it is predicted that the destruction of America may result. Never mind that America survived similar conversions by Walter Carlos and Christine Jorgensen (and unknown numbers of others.)

    Whence come such deluges of rhetorical excess? It’s one thing to be concerned about the prospect of change, even to fear it. But to publicly claim that any change represents an existential crisis is irrational — except in one sense: it’s a reliable tool for demagogues.

    Could that be what we’re seeing here? I think it is, and thus I think it’s something we cannot afford to ignore.

    End of rant.

  • http://Www.metalmischief.com YOB – Ye Olde Blacksmith (Social Justice Support Person)

    *wakes up*

    *streeeeeeeetch* ah, hmmmm.. Got the day off. What to do, what to do?

    Let’s see, I could go to the lake and fish. Or maybe I’ll just stay in bed and watch tv.

    Oh oh, I know!

    I’ll go through a painful and expensive process of surgery and therapy to become a woman.

  • Synfandel

    …the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on a whim, from day to day, depending on the circumstances or how someone feels.

    In a loosely related matter, the Canadian Province of Ontario has just announced that it is banning conversion therapy for LGBTQ children.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-youth-to-be-banned-in-ontario-1.3101640

  • http://composer99.blogspot.ca composer99

    Synfandel:

    With respect to your comment @8, it’s possibly even more relevant. After all, one of the things they discovered in the book was that deities also get crippled over time as their followers worship not they (the deities) themselves, as such, but the shell of ritual and belief that grows up around them. After all, that’s what happened to Om!

    It strikes me as a perfect metaphor for what has happened with American Christianity.

  • Lesbian Catnip

    The media coverage of Jenner inspired a rant of mine on Facebook.

    I am a trans woman. The rant in question was not one of my more level-headed attempts to actually persuade on-the-fencers that I’m right, but rather a very angry rail against conservative white men.

    Observation: Right-wing media coverage cares more about the alleged affect of trans women on men, and *not the demonstrable and measurable affect men have on trans women.* (Alluding to the absurdly escalated rates of violence gender variant people experience, especially by trans women against male aggressors, doubly so for trans women of colour). It’s actively erasing the disproportionate experience of our violence. They care more about the weirdness in their pants than they do about the 50% of trans folk considering and/or attempting suicide.

  • StevoR

    @8 Synfandel :

    @6 raven wrote, “The xian gods have been shrinking at an amazing rate.”

    Sir Terry Pratchett may have got it right in Small Gods. A god is literally only as powerful as the number and fervor of his believers. As the nones rise, Yahweh becomes more lethargic and feeble.

    But there was a time when Yahweh had a lot of believers almost everyone in fact and still what did he do?

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    1st, I’m with raven (#6) in saying that Annie Bruce (#1) expressed **exactly** my first thought on encountering this story.

    2nd, StevoR, really?

    But there was a time when Yahweh had a lot of believers almost everyone in fact

    I take it that you are here using “fact” to mean something entirely different from every other use of “fact” I’ve yet encountered in my life.

    Or you’re using “everyone” to mean something entirely the same as all the fucking white supremacists I’ve yet encountered in my life.

    Why am I finding myself desperately hoping you don’t know the definition of “fact” that everyone else seems to use?

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    If just one transgender woman freaks this guy out, I’ve got one word for him: Bangkok.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden : Huh? I mean almost as in a really huge majority of the population believed or at least claimed they believed in God and religion at the time. I don’t understand either your problem with this assessment or why you think it isn’t factual, sorry.

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    “this message of sexual confusion … ” [OP]

    Huh, I had perceived Caitlyn Jenner’s decision and actions as precisely the OPPOSITE of “gender confusion” — that is, that she had found resolution and clarity.

    “this message of sexual confusion can have an extremely damaging impact on young people” [OP]

    Au contraire. I would expect that for young trans* people, Ms Jenner’s decision will be empowering and encouraging.

  • StevoR

    And Yahweh still did nothing because, well, Occams razor says he probably never did exist outside people’s minds.

  • StevoR

    Back then and now when he has less and an ever diminishing number of followers.

    Sorry Crip Dyke, but I’m really not sure what your objection to this argument and view of things here is? Please could you elaborate here?

  • Numenaster

    @StevoR, could it be the fact that Christianity was NOT the majority religion in the most populous countries on the earth, and yet you just claimed it has the greatest number of believers?

  • anat

    StevoR, even at the height of Yahweh’s worship, there were other, non-Yahwist religions around.

  • besomyka

    the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on … how someone feels.”

    What in the world could it be if NOT that? I seriously don’t understand their objection. It seems like what they mean to say is that they don’t understand why other people’s perceptions of an individual shouldn’t dictate that other person’s nature. Which is a very strange sort of group magic. We all think you’re attracted to like women, so – poof – you’re attracted to women.

    As if.

  • busterggi

    America has been destroy three times already today and its barely past lunchtime.

    I don’t know how many more times today America can take being destroyed.

  • blf

    America has been destroy three times already today…

    It’s a pink drum-banging bunny toy that gets going and going?

  • http://www.facebook.com/eo.raptor.3 eoraptor

    Speaking of destruction, I read, recently, that Japan just granted Godzilla official citizenship. (Or, maybe it was just that Tokyo adopted her.)

  • Zmidponk

    Something related to this that shows both a heavy dose of irony and someone responding very gracefully to their own fuck-up:

    http://m.snopes.com/2015/06/04/terry-coffey-jenner-bravery/

  • carpenterman

    Another ignorant bigot heard from.

  • carpenterman

    Great. Another ignorant bigot heard from.

  • StevoR

    @22. Numenaster & #23. anat : Ah, okay, yes that’s true. I was thinking of mainly Western Christian countries there.

  • dingojack

    Sun rising above horizon (yet again) will almost certainly destroy America!!’

    – Bigots.

    @@ Dingo

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    … it is troubling that conservative media personalities have jumped on the bandwagon, contributing to the idea that one’s sexual identity can be decided on a whim, from day to day, depending on the circumstances or how someone feels.

    As usual, conservative media can’t get anything right.