White Man Denies Existence of White Privilege. Film at 11.

John Hawkins is one of the vast army of right-wing bloggers and columnists that churn out simpleminded nonsense at at astonishing rate. In his latest column, he denies the existence of white privilege, saying that “only losers whine about” it. To the fiskmobile, Robin.

Remember when you were young, bratty and complaining about something stupid? Maybe your brother got to stay up later than you because he was older, maybe you were upset because nobody would watch you dive into the swimming pool or maybe you were even angry because your sister’s hot dog was cut into 5 pieces while yours was cut into only 4 pieces.

So, you unleashed the favorite complaint of small children, “That’s not fair!” Then, almost inevitably, some adult responded by saying, “Life’s not fair. Get used to it.”

Now, if you were denied that formative experience, maybe it would explain why you’re one of the losers who runs around crying about “white privilege.” I say that because whining about “white privilege” is nothing more than the liberal equivalent of saying, “Life is not fair.” That’s pretty appropriate since liberals like to think of themselves as sophisticated, but their thought processes are as simple as those of children.

Boy, if only my thought processes were as “sophisticated” as this bit of stupidity. In order to maintain that there is no such thing as white privilege, one has to ignore reams and reams of data on the subject. Social scientists have studied this subject thoroughly and have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that being white carries enormous privileges and being black means almost certainly being discriminated against. Let’s just cite a few studies.

Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan did a study on discrimination by employers, sending out resumes with identical qualifications but giving some of the applicants white-sounding names and others black-sounding names. “Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakisha and Jamal?” they asked. The answer was a resounding yes.

White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. Callbacks are also more responsive to resume quality for White names than for African-American ones. The racial gap is uniform across occupation, industry, and employer size. We also find little evidence that employers are inferring social class from the names. Differential treatment by race still appears to still be prominent in the U.S. labor market.

The same is true in the housing market. Though it is illegal to discriminate in housing on the basis of race, study after study shows that it happens constantly. The Department of Housing and Urban Development did a similar study to the one above with 8000 people searching for a home. Again, they had both minority and white prospective buyers with virtually identical credit and income profiles and the white buyers were significantly favored.

In one test, a white customer looking for a two-bedroom apartment was shown a two-bedroom and a one-bedroom and given applications for both, while a Hispanic customer who arrived two hours later was told that nothing was available. In another, a real estate agent refused to meet with a black tester who was not prequalified for a loan, while a white tester was given an appointment without being asked if she had prequalified.

The study was the fourth of its kind since 1977, when the results showed a starker form of discrimination known as door-slamming. In 17 percent of the cases in that study, whites were offered a unit when blacks were told that none were available. In 2012, when the new study was conducted, the vast majority of testers of all races were able to at least make an appointment to see a recently advertised house or apartment.

But once they arrived, they were given fewer options. Over all, black prospective renters were presented 11 percent fewer rentals than whites, Hispanics about 12 percent fewer rentals and Asians about 10 percent fewer rentals. As prospective buyers, blacks were presented 17 percent fewer homes and Asians 15 percent fewer homes, but Hispanics were given the opportunity to see roughly the same number of homes as whites.

White testers also were more frequently offered lower rents, told that deposits and other move-in costs were negotiable, or were quoted a lower price. Taking into account fees, deposits and rents, apartments were more likely to cost whites slightly less in the first year of rental than blacks might pay.

The study did not examine discrimination in lending practices, though there is already considerable evidence that minorities have suffered significantly from predatory lending and were far more likely during the housing boom to be offered subprime loans even if they qualified for cheaper conventional mortgages.

There are literally dozens and dozens of similar studies on a wide range of forms of discrimination and every single one of them shows the same thing, that implicit racial biases cause discrimination against non-whites. And I’ve written at great length about the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, where blacks and Latinos are far more likely to be arrested for using, buying or selling drugs even though whites use and sell drugs at the same rate. The evidence is so overwhelming at this point that one could only deny it out of utter ignorance or clear malice.

But that is at the core of what privilege means. The ultimate privilege is to remain blissfully unaware of one’s own privilege. It’s how racist jerks like John Hawkins can call those who believe in the undeniably truth of white privilege “whiny losers.”

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  • Broken Things

    Hawkins is a stellar example of how people living within the social structure built around white privilege cannot perceive it. I have relatives (pretty much all of them) that take the same line. Their own lives often suck economically, but they have bought completely into the right-wing myth that their discomfort is because people without white skin somehow drain all the resources that they would otherwise have. For people like Hawkins, there will never be enough money to fight wars of choice in support of US hegemony, but even one one-hundredth of one percent of that money spent on supporting the poor and disadvantaged provokes howls of outrage and victim-blaming.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, if Urban Americans (*wink wink*) and Hispanics wanted better treatment, they should done what I did and put in the hard work, earing my white parentage. White privilege is a myth. If anything, it’s the other way around.

     

    The study did not examine discrimination in lending practices, though there is already considerable evidence that minorities have suffered significantly from predatory lending and were far more likely during the housing boom to be offered subprime loans even if they qualified for cheaper conventional mortgages.

    See what I mean? Minorities get more predatory loans and were more likely to get offered subprime loans! Talk about privilege!

  • scienceavenger

    Hawkins is the straw man killer. Every article is littered with references to supposed “liberals” that don’t resemble any liberal I ever met or read. He’s basically a right-wing Pravda writer, inventing fictions his readers desperately want to be true, but are afraid to look out their window and see.

  • Die Anyway

    I had some tough times in my younger years but I will readily admit that getting through them was easier as a white male (see avatar) than as some other class. No denial of white and/or male privilege. But I am curious how others see a situation I noticed when I was working (retired now).

    I worked for a very large engineering firm (an ex-ceo is a republican presidential candidate… hint, hint). Each year there were 3 awards given: (1) Engineer of the year, (2) Female engineer of the year, and (3) Black engineer of the year. Everyone was eligible for (1), male, female, black, white, asian, whatever. Only females were eligible for (2) but race was not a factor. I’m not sure about trans-females as that had not become an issue at the time. And finally, only “blacks” were eligible for (3). I’m not sure how they determined blackness but it was a distinct category. So, if you look at that, black females were eligible for all 3 categories, black males eligible for 2 and white males eligible for only one. I understand that this might be considered ‘fair’ since white males predominate in the field due to prior white/male privilege. Is that a valid approach to creating the categories?

    But that aside, why did “blacks” deserve a special category? Note that there was no ‘Native American’ category, no ‘Asian’ category, no ‘Middle Eastern’ category, no ‘Hispanic’ category, and of course no ‘White European’ category. Of all of the various racial and ethnic groups, many of whom have been discriminated against, why was it seen as ok to pick just one for special award status? Was it ok?

    I was never going to win one of the awards anyway so it wasn’t “sour grapes” on my part. As a software engineer I was just curious about the logic of it. In other words, it didn’t seem logical to me, but I could be missing something.

  • gshelley

    I’m not sure he is denying white privilege exists. He seems to be saying “Yeah, but so what?”

  • briandavis

    Is Hawkins denying the existence of white privilege, or is he saying that everyone should just accept it because life isn’t fair?

  • scienceavenger

    He says pretty explicitly that everyone faces disadvantages in various situations, so no one has privilege. His constant references to black successes suggests strongly that he things white privilege is a myth.

  • Numenaster

    A conclusion he could only have reached by cherry-picking the items he responded to from the privilege checklist. So in other words, by deliberately ignoring most of what he read. Here’s some of the items he didn’t see fit to respond to, probably because doing so would have utterly contradicted his thesis that privilege is a myth.

    2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

    5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

    14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

    25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.

    28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

    41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    briandavis “Is Hawkins denying the existence of white privilege, or is he saying that everyone should just accept it because life isn’t fair?”

    Yes and yes. It doesn’t exist, and life is not fair*.

     

    * Exempt, white people.

  • smrnda

    Isn’t the whole reason for the existence of the USA was that a number of colonists decided that things weren’t fair and demanded a change? Apparently ‘it’s not fair’ was okay for white people in 1776 when dealing with white people in another place, but not for non-white people now?

  • colnago80

    Re Die Anyway @ #6

    I hope that ole Carly did better at your old firm then she did at HP.

  • Pen

    It’s the same kind of simplicity that prevents people from understanding evolution because they can’t watch it happening. An individual often can’t ‘see’ white privilege as they go about their everyday existence, for lots of reasons, but mostly because it appears most reliably through studies of large, controlled data sets. Apparently the ability to relate that kind of collective data to the world they live in doesn’t come easy to everyone.

  • Numenaster

    @Pen #12, it is particularly difficult when relating to the data means giving up anything, such as one’s opinion that all of one’s successes are due exclusively to one’s own merit.

  • Jared James

    I like to think it’s the years I’ve spent studying social science and history that make me so simple-minded I believe in myths like white privilege and evolutionism. Higher education, after all, ruins minds and makes thought processes much more simpler.

  • samgardner

    why do i feel like if we went back in time we’d find little Hawkins screeching about the number of pieces of hot dog on his plate and how privileged his sistr was.

  • theguy

    I’m sure Hawkins will insist that criticizing unfairness is a childish or liberal position right up to the point that he faces mild criticism, or has to pay taxes. Then, like many on the far right, he will complain that he’s being persecuted, or that taxes are too high, or that some minority group is supposedly being coddled.

    Many aspects of life are currently unfair. That does not mean that life (or society, or civilization, etc) should remain unfair. Liberals and other people aware of the reality of white privilege are in a position to do something about it. People such as Hawkins find it easier to rationalize the status quo.

  • Die Anyway

    colnago80@11 …

    I thought the “hint, hint” was enough… it was HP.

    In any case, one of the things I know about myself is that I don’t understand people or social situations very well. I get along fine with machines… it’s why I went into a career involving computers. But after all of these years of living, it is very obvious to me that my logical view of the world is not the same as most people’s view. (I think that opening a door for someone is demeaning and insulting, but apparently the rest of the world thinks it’s polite and considerate.) So I have to ask questions of my affinity group (eg. this blog) to see what the accepted logic is for a given situation.

  • freemage

    Die Anyway@6:

    An award structure like that can represent one of two things, depending on context:

    1: Having recognized that there’s an uneven playing field, and wanting specifically to target some sub-populations for recruitment (ie, ‘soft’ affirmative action), the company has the adjunct awards to help provide evidence that the company promotes and values the work of employees belonging to those groups.

    2: Having realized that, despite having, say, 25% women and 30% people of color employed as engineers, the “Best Engineer” category is still miraculously the exclusive terrain of possessors of the Pale Penis of Privilege, the company decides to cover their asses and make a couple of token award categories, so as to fend off EEOC complaints.

    You’ll note that despite the obviously different motivations here, the award system itself remains pretty much the same. This is why I stress the importance of context. If the company’s been slowly but steadily increasing both their front-line and management-level positions staffed by disadvantaged groups, then it’s likely the former. If, OTOH, they’ve pretty much plateaued, and in particular their current promotions from front-line duty to upper echelons tends to favor only white males (even beyond what the statistics would suggest), then it’s probably a CYA maneuver established by the legal department.

    Think of it as picking up your chai latte and noticing a distinct almond scent. The possibilities are twofold (at least): it may have been made with almond milk, or it may be laced with cyanide. One of these means yummy goodness, the other means death by asphyxiation and probably a front-page news story comparing you to an Agatha Christie character. At this point, you’ll need to evaluate other contextual clues to determine which column you’re dealing with.

  • marcus

    Now, to be fair, he wasn’t denying that white people have a lot of privilege. He was just saying that white people are like black people’s smarter, more experienced, and (let’s face it) handsomer older brother.

    Sure he got a new car for graduation, got his college payed for, and will probably inherit the house, but it’s not his fault, it’s just the luck of the draw.

    Sure it’s not fair, but if you happen to be the older brother… it’s all good.

  • colnago80

    Re Die Anyway @ #17

    Ole Carley had had other positions in the high tech area previous to her disastrous tenure at HP so I thought you might be referring to one of those previous sojourns.

  • theDukedog7 .

    White privilege/black privilege is a complicated issue.

    Blacks have privilege in Affirmative Action– a grossly racist and unconstitutional policy– and in the fact that blacks victimize whites in serious crime (murder, rape, robbery) at a rate an order of magnitude higher than whites victimize blacks. Facts is facts. Whites are the victims of Affirmative Action and interracial crime. Getting murdered, raped or robbed or being denied college admission or a job because your skin is white is no “privilege”.

    On the other hand, blacks certainly suffer some residual racism, in the private sphere and in the criminal justice system.

    But there’s an obvious fact that liberals like Ed scrupulously ignore: blacks who suffer discrimination nearly always suffer that discrimination in systems governed and controlled by liberal Democrats. If you go to any state prison in the country and check where unjustly convicted or sentenced black men were born, raised, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced it is nearly always in a municipality governed by a liberal Democrat monopoly. It’s black men from Chicago and Newark and Baltimore and Atlanta and Detroit who end up in prison, and the system that screwed them (from the moment they were born) was a system run entirely by liberal Democrats.

    The fact is that progressivism and the Democrat party are the worst thing that ever happened to blacks in America. From slavery to Jim Crow to the KKK to segregation to lynching to inner city corruption and decay and crime, it has been progressive Democrats who have screwed blacks and continue to screw blacks.

    Black America is Detroit writ large–the result of 200 years of Democrat party oppression and corruption and stupidity.

    So Ed, you’re right that blacks have had a raw deal, all things considered. But the fact is that progressive Democrats like you are the ones that did it to them, and still do it to them.

  • dingojack

    Lil’ DookieDawg – This well-and-truly debunked nonsense, AGAIN?!?! *YAWN*

    CITATIONS REQUIRED.

    Dingo

  • theDukedog7 .

    You can sum up the black experience in America thus:

    ‘It really sucks to be governed by Democrats’.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Die Anyway, the privilege is inherent in the fact that everyone knew that award number 1, Engineer of the Year, was the only award that mattered. The other two were consolation prizes given out to people who weren’t really allowed to win the first one.

  • dingojack

    LilDookieDawg redux — I got nuthin’!

    Got it.

    Dingo

  • Anna Elizabeth

    Ah, the coward moves to another thread.

    Call him on his behavior, and call him what he is: a cowardly, worthless cultist, who can dish out abuse but can’t stand the slightest reciprocation.

    It’s time to *stop* religious abuse, people. If you take it, they’ll keep giving.

    Fight back.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    theDukedog7 is right, there may be some minor residual racism, but on the other hand they do get Affirmative Action, plus they get to murder all the white people they want, and anyway, from Jim Crow to the War on Drugs, it’s all you Democrats’ fault.

  • diogenes

    I often try to search put conservative arguments; I like to try and understand their point of view. I often find them illogical and frustrating but Duke is exceptional. He somehow manages to mix informed cluelessness with bigotry. Its clear he has done some investigating, but only enough so that he can construct either a convoluted or misleading narrative. Its actually exciting to see a specimen of self delusion in the wild like this.

  • dingojack

    Diogenes – I thought it was Vespasian who was supposed to say: ‘Good dog’!

    :) Dingo

  • theDukedog7 .

    @Comrade Anna:

    “Call him on his behavior, and call him what he is: a cowardly, worthless cultist, who can dish out abuse but can’t stand the slightest reciprocation. It’s time to *stop* religious abuse, people. If you take it, they’ll keep giving.”

    SJW’s of the World, Unite! You have nothing to lose but trigger warnings, microaggressions, safe spaces, and homo-trans-bi-Islamo-phobia!

  • theDukedog7 .

    @diogenes:

    It’s nice to see they allow access to computers in your institution.

    I merely made the observation (banal it is) that the black experience in America is the ‘I’m governed by Democrats’ experience.

    Odd that I never hear Democrats making this obvious point.

  • dingojack

    Still got nothin’ eh Lil DookieDawg?

    Never mind, an invigorating Gish Gallop might distract ’em from your evident factual paucity…

    Dingo

  • theDukedog7 .

    Think of it as a axiom in set theory:

    The set of ‘I am a black person who has been enslaved, lynched, segregated, shot, impoverished, and imprisoned’ is wholly a subset of ‘I am a black person who is governed by Democrats’.

    A remarkable coincidence.

  • dingojack

    Here ya go Dookie!

    Dingo

  • Anna Elizabeth

    Fuck you, Egnor. To the abyss with you, and *every* one of your kind, your worthless, cultist, abusive pieces of shit in human skin.

    Someday, the Xtian churches will be remembered only as the worst evils the human race has ever known.

    You have no empathy, no intelligence, and no worth. I don’t care what you, personally say, but for anyone that reads this: if you aren’t making things better, then *you* are the enemy.

  • diogenes

    See how it immediately reverts to an adhominem? Doing so makes it appear larger and more threatening to predators. Additionally by its lack of use of citations one can identify it as a North American Conservative. While the north american conservative is fairly common in the wild, this one seems to be exceptional in its mental vacancy. Note how it mimics human communication while not showing any real though and comprehension. If someone has a dart gun please take it down and tag it.

  • theguy

    It’s too bad that ShitDog can’t offer any evidence for his lies. Just bluster, more lies, and ad hominem. Blame Democrats? Blame yourself, ShitDog. Blame your opposition to policies that can help black people, and blame your fantasy that welfare or affirmative action or gay rights somehow destroyed the black community.

    You’re just another right-wing screecher, emotionally dependent on the false belief that we liberals are responsible for every problem in the world.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @daguy:

    [Blame your opposition to policies that can help black people, and blame your fantasy that welfare or affirmative action or gay rights somehow destroyed the black community. You’re just another right-wing screecher, emotionally dependent on the false belief that we liberals are responsible for every problem in the world.]

    That’s right, ace, everything would be better in black communities if everything changed and the local governments were run exclusively by liberal Democrats instead of conservative Republicans.

    … OH, WAIT!!!

  • dingojack

    Anna Elizabeth — Not ‘someday’ – right now. (Just one such enquiry BTW, out of many).

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Then there’s this & this.

    Care to comment Lil’ DookieDawg?

    Nah, he’ll be off galloping.

    Dingo

  • theguy

    “everything would be better in black communities if everything changed and the local governments were run exclusively by liberal Democrats instead of conservative Republicans.”

    Yeah. I wouldn’t let degenerates like you run a popsicle stand. Many right-wingers have demonstrated that they do not believe in democracy, equality, justice, or the right of certain people (gays, poor, non-whites) to live their lives free of harassment from holier-than-thou fundies like you.

    You had your chance to control everything. It was called the Confederate States of America. Thanks to Northern efforts, it became a failed state.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @41:

    [Confederate States of America]

    Democrats all.

    [Thanks to Northern efforts, it became a failed state.]

    “Thanks to [Republicans], it became a failed state.”

    This is too easy.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @39:

    I see your point: Australia investigates child abuse in a Christian school, therefore Democrats had nothing to do with the black experience in America.

    Liberalism is your religion. I attacked your church, so you attack mine.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    For all the “Good Xtians” that wonder why I hate you more than I hate a worthless shit like Egnor – because I see *none* of you “Good Xtians” pushing back, rebuking him, or doing any damned thing at all to help, evers.

    Yet you *always* find time to police my tone. Fuck you *all* All of you cultists, men, women, you are *all* the enemy. Don’t pretend otherwise. You are evil, you are stupid, and you are worthless, bible-humping, abuse-condoning, cowards.

    Don’t *anyone* of you *EVER* question my tone again, and don’t any person on this planet *EVER* tell me to be grateful for the “Good Xtians”.

    Fuck you all.

  • dingojack

    Lil’ DookieDawg – Hey they’re your ‘moral’ mentors – not mine, you defend ’em! [Too easy]

    Dingo

  • tfkreference

    Dukey, could Lincoln run as a Republican today? Or yesterday? Or the.day before? [continue back at least to 1964]

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    theDukedog7 has a point. Democrats do have something with the black experience in America. For example, your Democrat party, unified, fought to prevent them from attaining and using their right to vote. And now your Democrat party fights for them to keep their right to vote.

    Do you see what we mean? Nothing ever changes!

  • marcus

    Oh Dumbassdog, You are such an asshole.

  • dingojack

    Then, Lil Dookie – there’s this & this (A particularly good example of your church’s ‘morality’*).

    Dookie’s heroes!

    Dingo

    ———

    * About St. Ann’s Special School:

    “St Ann’s Special School was located in Adelaide in South Australia. St Ann’s was owned and operated by Catholic Special Schools Incorporated (CSSI). It was established in 1975 and became Our Lady of La Vang School in 2013.

    The school catered for students with intellectual disabilities ranging from a moderate to profound level of severity. Many of the children enrolled at the school had limited communication abilities. There were between 50 and 60 students at the school. They were aged between five and 20 years old. “

  • StevoR

    @34. dingojack : Your link there isn’t working at least for me.

    @21. Duke Dogshit :

    But there’s an obvious fact that liberals like Ed scrupulously ignore: blacks who suffer discrimination nearly always suffer that discrimination in systems governed and controlled by liberal Democrats. If you go to any state prison in the country and check where unjustly convicted or sentenced black men were born, raised, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced it is nearly always in a municipality governed by a liberal Democrat monopoly. It’s black men from Chicago and Newark and Baltimore and Atlanta and Detroit who end up in prison, and the system that screwed them (from the moment they were born) was a system run entirely by liberal Democrats.

    The fact is that progressivism and the Democrat party are the worst thing that ever happened to blacks in America. From slavery to Jim Crow to the KKK to segregation to lynching to inner city corruption and decay and crime, it has been progressive Democrats who have screwed blacks and continue to screw blacks.

    (Emphasis added – entirely? For real?)

    If that were true (which it ain’t) then why would racist pieces of shit like you and other Teablaggard Rethugs hate the Democrats so much?

    I’m not even American – Aussie here – but I’m pretty confident in saying the worst rates of African American (&general) imprisonment and the highest number of racist hate crimes, etc .. occur in Southern and Bible belt states generally governed by Republicans and usually formerly ones where slavery was legal and defended (well later than usual.)

    Texas, Missouri, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Kansas, Loiusiana – these are some of the states that come to mind.

    Let’s see :

    1.) What state is Ferguson in again?

    2.) Who was governing the state where Walter Scott was gunned down eight times in the back as he ran away form a cop unarmed?

    3.) Which state was it where Trayvon Martin was murdered and which party was in power at the time?

    4.) Which state has the highest number of black people in jail?

    5.) Which state has the most number of racist attacks /incidents?

    I’d bet its the Republicans and Southern or Bible belt states in all those cases – could be wrong but will check. Back after a quick wiki /google ..

  • dingojack

    Stevo – music* to google by.

    :) Dingo

    ———

    * Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast…

  • StevoR

    Okay the answers :

    1. Missouri – which okay has a Democrat Governor. (Okay I got one wrong there.)

    2. South Carolina – Nikki Haley Republican. (one right for me now.)

    3. Florida – Republican governor Rick Scott. (Now two..)

    4. Wisconsin* – Republican – indeed the birthplace of the Republicans – Scott Walker governor.

    5. Hmm .. my google fu has failed me here. Found a few sources but nothing seems definitive in terms of the stats here that I can find, so, going to have to postpone this / see if someone else can find out. Sorry.

    Anyhow, I think with 3 R’s in these 5 questions its clearly NOT the Democratic party that’s the main problem here!

    * For men and from 2013 anyhow. See :

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/10/03/228733846/wisconsin-prisons-incarcerate-most-black-men-in-u-s

    Oaklahoma also Republican is second. Not sure which has the highest number of African-American women behind bars, google fu again struggling on that one. (Possibly Louisiana?) Actually surprised its so hard to find info easily on points 4 & 5.

  • Nick Gotts

    Blacks have privilege in Affirmative Action– a grossly racist and unconstitutional policy– and in the fact that blacks victimize whites in serious crime (murder, rape, robbery) at a rate an order of magnitude higher than whites victimize blacks. – Michael Egnor, slanderous liar, egregious hypocrite, and blatant racist

    Here we see Egnor’s hypocrisy and racism at their most obvious. Affirmative action is, of course, a policy designed specifically to combat the effects of racism – the systemic disadvantages which groups including (but by no means limited to) African Americans face. As for crime rates, of course black people suffer from serious crime at rates far higher than white people – and for the same reason they commit serious crime at a higher rate: poverty. But Egnor mentions neither the fact concerning victims of serious crime, nor the underlying reason – because that would not suit his rhetorical purpose.

    Egnor doesn’t give a shit about the mass incarceration of black Americans – except to propagate his lie about the party now mainly responsible for racist administrations in the USA.

    If you go to any state prison in the country and check where unjustly convicted or sentenced black men were born, raised, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced it is nearly always in a municipality governed by a liberal Democrat monopoly. It’s black men from Chicago and Newark and Baltimore and Atlanta and Detroit who end up in prison, and the system that screwed them (from the moment they were born) was a system run entirely by liberal Democrats. – Miochael Egnor, slanderous liar, egregious hypocrite and blatant racist@21

    No documentation of this claim is provided. But let’s suppose it’s true. So what? Those municipalities will be governed by liberal Democrats reliant on the votes of black Americans to gain election. So once again,Egnor is implying that black Americans are so stupid they vote in overwhelming numbers for their immediate and obvious oppressors, rather than their saintly Republican liberators – and this, of course, after the black American population has switched party allegiance in large numbers precisely because the parties have switched political positions on race in the south.

    It is easy to check that the states with the highest incarceration rates are all Republican run – the highest on the list that ihas a Democratic governor is Missouri at number 10. All the top 10 have Republican-dominated legislatures. So why haven’t the saintly, anti-racist Republican administrations taken action to free all these unjustly convicted and sentenced black men imprisoned by the evil racist liberal Democrats – but instead focused on gerrymandering to confine black voters to as few districts as possible, and finding ways to exclude black voters from the polls?

    Egnor obviously knows all this, so he is simply lying. In the words of his claimed religion, he is, knowingly and repeatedly, bearing false witness. He’s a liar, a hypocrite, and a racist.

  • StevoR

    @51. dingojack : Not sure quite what to make of that one!

    Actually been listening to this one :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xltiuuwB9M&index=6&list=PL8177386114AC6584

    as my on soundtrack lately. A great old cartoon with fond childhood memories and powerful music. (They’ve been screening it again recently on NITV so having a nostalgia binge on it.)

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Anyhow, I think with 3 R’s in these 5 questions its clearly NOT the Democratic party that’s the main problem here!

    Also, the most immediately oppressive policies black Americans face today are mostly, if not wholly, of Republican origin: opposition to ALL Federal measures to correct the effects of racism, cuts to domestic spending programs that might give at least a few people in minority communities a leg up, opposition — bitter, mindless, hateful opposition — to anything that looks like “affirmative action,” and on top of all that, several generations of stereotyping, stigmatization, demonization, and relentless propagandistic distortion of the image, history and experience of minorities in America, by Republican politicians, demagogues, and shallow childish media institutions.

    All that rhetoric about “Second Amendment remedies” hasn’t helped either. Which party coined that phrase again?

  • http://Www.metalmischief.com YOB – Ye Olde Blacksmith (Social Justice Support Person)

    I must admit, it’s always a bit weird when I see someone using Orwellian Newspeak in real life. Dogs’ blackwhite doublethink makes me feel doubleplusungood.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    YOB: that’s probably his intention: demoralize us with a relentless stream of raw sewage, and make it obvious that he will always be uneducable and unresponsive to facts, history or reason.

  • chirez

    Does the actual article really say that white privilege doesn’t exist? Because that quote says nothing of the kind. If I’m reading it right, it says that discrimination exists, life is unfair and everybody should just stop complaining.

    Which is also bullshit, but for entirely different reasons. That is also, incidentally, an argument that only a white guy would make. Everything’s fine from where he sits.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    You had your chance to control everything. It was called the Confederate States of America. Thanks to Northern efforts, it became a failed state.

    Are you kidding? The CSA would have been a miserable, backward, failed state by its own nature, if it had been allowed to secede and keep on owning slaves. Indeed, if its neighbors had kept on harboring runaway slaves, and maybe encouraging (or at least allowing) them to go back as a liberating army, the slave-owners would probably have responded by supporting terrorist actions against their abolitionist neighbors; and they would have become a pariah-state, sinking ever further into rigid, religious-based, militant backwardness until they either give up their slaves or sink into bloody chaos followed by partition between the USA and Mexico.

  • scienceavenger

    Does the actual article really say that white privilege doesn’t exist?

    Essentially yes. It puts white privilege on the same level as a ton of inconsequential differences for groups in our culture, implying that there is no overall benefit to being a white male relative to being something else.

  • whheydt

    Re: Raging Bee @ #59…

    I rather like Isaac Asimov’s analysis. He figured that the (largely non-industrial) South was going to be either an economic colony of the North (the Ante Bellum situation) or an economic colony of Britain, as the only other viable market for the Southern agricultural exports. Since Britain had abolished slavery in the 1840s, there would be tremendous pressure on the South to do the same, Thus, no matter which way the Civil War went, slavery in the South was doomed.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Since Britain had abolished slavery in the 1840s, there would be tremendous pressure on the South to do the same, Thus, no matter which way the Civil War went, slavery in the South was doomed.

    Wrong: if slavery meant cheap farm-products for Britain, there would be very little pressure to abolish slavery, and lots of pressure to just shut up about it, because no one wants to pay more for anything. How much pressure is there today to crack down on working conditions that are slavery in all but name?

  • http://Www.metalmischief.com YOB – Ye Olde Blacksmith (Social Justice Support Person)

    Re: Raging Bee @57

    I’m not demoralized. My doubleplusungood feelings are more like how I felt towards my congenitally 3 legged dog (Hotdog) I had as a kid. Hotdog didn’t seem to know or care that he only had three legs, but I felt kinda bad for him still.

  • dingojack

    RB – England already had ’em — they were called Indians.*

    (Also by 1862 cheaper cotton was pouring into England from India, food stuffs from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada and etc. The CSA wasn’t cheap enough for basic goods and not rare enough for fancy goods).

    Dingo

    ———

    * You forget too, the Victorians were relentlessly improving. Abolitionism, Suffragettes, Temperance, better Jail conditions, Eight-hour-day, schools for the poor, blind, deaf, Idiots & Imbeciles (their words, not mine) — you name it the Victorians had a movement for improving it.)

  • StevoR

    @55,. Raging Bee :

    Also, the most immediately oppressive policies black Americans face today are mostly, if not wholly, of Republican origin: opposition to ALL Federal measures to correct the effects of racism, cuts to domestic spending programs that might give at least a few people in minority communities a leg up, opposition — bitter, mindless, hateful opposition — to anything that looks like “affirmative action,” and on top of all that, several generations of stereotyping, stigmatization, demonization, and relentless propagandistic distortion of the image, history and experience of minorities in America, by Republican politicians, demagogues, and shallow childish media institutions.

    All that rhetoric about “Second Amendment remedies” hasn’t helped either. Which party coined that phrase again?

    The Tea Party – and their Republican stooges.

    Yes. Quoting for truth.

    Plus more music if I may : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpyy1zUsgZg