MRA’s Totally Understand Why Iowa Man Gunned Down Woman

You’ve probably heard by now about Alexander Kozak, a mall security guard in Iowa who was fired for sexually harassing multiple women and came back to murder the most recent woman to complain about his behavior. The indispensable David Futrelle lurks the MRA forums to find them gushing with sympathy for Kozak, who is obviously the real victim in the story. A few examples:

Like rape, does the term sexual harassment pretty much no longer have any real meaning? IE it’s safe to assume there’s no chance this guy actually touched her or said anything overtly lewd?

As somebody who’s been job hunting for some time now picturing being fired, in this job market, over some twit finding you “creepy”… Sad to say I’m finding it hard to blame him.

Not sad, fucking terrifying. And I damn sure hope the cops are keeping an eye on you now because you’re exactly the kind of person that thinks gunning down women is perfectly fine.

Given the lack of details regarding the allegations, it is safe to assume he did not touch or proposition these women. Simply put, he was guilty of having no game and/or being creepy. …

As far as I’m concerned, his being guilty of not giving these bitches the tingles is what caused him to get fired, and in turn, murder this chick.

I know, right? The woman who was murdered isn’t the victim here, the guy who killed her is.

[A]fter examining the above facts here is the most likely conclusion:

He wasn’t being rude to anyone on his job. He wasn’t trying to be a pick-up artist on the job and shitting where he eats. His ‘prior-complaints leading up to his firing’ are almost certainly trumped-up charges. His crime? Being a beta male raised without a father and a domineering mother.

Is there a more moronic phrase in the English language than “beta male”?

this poor man, who receives such injustice is immediately filled with burning rage; all of the issues of his childhood neglect well-up inside of him, and he stops thinking rationally.

“What the fuck is this. How am I supposed to keep my wife now? How can we have children if I have no income? What am I supposed to do now? I DID NOTHING WRONG!! THAT FUCKING BITCH! THAT STUPID WHORE! I KNOW WHO DID THIS. SHE THINKS I’M A SEXUAL HARASSER?”

Alex believes his life is over. He knows he won’t find another job; it took him nearly a year to find this one. He won’t find another girl; he’s already balding and his current wife is so beautiful to him it is impossible to imagine life without her. He already knows he’ll never find a girl as good as her to be his wife; he’ll never get to be the father he never had.

He goes home, crying. He finds his gun and loads it. And he rushes back to the mall with blood in his eyes.

I know — that poor man! That poor man who hates women so much that he murders them after sexually harassing them. Remember, these are the same people who defended Elliot Rodger when he decided to kill a bunch of women because they were outrageously not having sex with him. These people are 50 kinds of fucked up and dangerous.

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  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    His crime? Being a beta male raised without a father and a domineering mother.

    Well, there is your problem! He was not ready for full release. He was still in beta testing. I can only assume he was created by EA and they were promising a day 1 patch that never materialized.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Is there a more moronic phrase in the English language than “beta male”?

    I nominate “Jeb!” – but I’m being redundant here…

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    I hadn’t heard about this murder. The guy’s facebook page is a trove of wingnut lunacy, beginning with his banner, Bullets and Bibles. https://www.facebook.com/alex.winn.71?fref=ts

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    He won’t find another girl; he’s already balding and his current wife is so beautiful to him it is impossible to imagine life without her.

    Um, if he’s already married, why is he looking for another girl?

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    If he’s already married, why is he looking for another girl?

    They believe they knew that Kozak’s wife would leave him because he lost his job and he’ll have a hard time finding another job, which is why he had no choice but to go back to the mall and murder the woman he had been frightening over the course of many months. Understand now?

  • Loqi

    …it is safe to assume he did not touch or proposition these women…

    As we all know, the best way to find the truth is to make an assumption and then defend it to the death.

    And that third quoted section…holy shit. That guy is scary. What a warped mind. No wonder women avoid him like the plague. Men probably do too.

  • marcus

    Alex believes his life is over. He knows he won’t find another job; it took him nearly a year to find this one. He won’t find another girl; he’s already balding and his current wife is so beautiful to him it is impossible to imagine life without her. He already knows he’ll never find a girl as good as her to be his wife; he’ll never get to be the father he never had.

    He goes home, crying. He finds his gun and loads it.

    I could understand how someone might reach the (logically faulty)* conclusion that their life was FUBAR and decide to use that loaded gun on themselves, but it make no rational sense, and in no possible way, justifies the murder of someone who was. in reality, only an innocent bystander of this person’s headlong march to self-destruction.

    *Permanent solution to a temporary problem and all that.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    All I can say right now is, if I was a manager and I found any of my employees were posting this sort of lunacy in any public forum, I’d fire them right away. I’m all in favor of free speech, but if you use it to publicly support a MURDERER, and showing so little respect for human life, then you’re too unhinged to be trustworthy, and I don’t want you on my property or working close to anyone else for whom I’m responsible.

  • Jeremy Shaffer

    From the original article:

    [A]fter examining the above facts…

    What facts? The MRA dipshit goes on a few times as such-

    … it’s safe to assume there’s no chance this guy actually touched her or said anything overtly lewd?

    and-

    Given the lack of details regarding the allegations, it is safe to assume…

    He makes assumptions and creates details out of whole cloth about the case- because that’s all he can do in order to paint Kozak as the real victim- and then turns around and calls them “facts”! Watch out creationists and anti-choicers; you have some serious competition for which group has the most egregiously dishonest proponents awards.

  • erichoug

    Why do these guys always seem so angry and bitter. I mean really, most of their ideas about women tend to be self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Why not work on being a better person, work on improving yourself, work on making yourself a person that someone else would want to be with and enjoy spending time with instead of trying to trick women into having sex with you. That bit really isn’t all that hard, it’s the deep stuff that takes the effort and it’s sad that these men will never know that.

  • scienceavenger

    @10 You speak like someone who isn’t on the spectrum. For us, it *is* really hard. What comes so naturally to others is a frustration beyond words, like you are playing a game where no one will tell you the rules, but they are constantly telling you that you lost. Every mannerism, phrase and bit of timing must be memorized over time, like an android learning how to be a human, to catch up to where many are with practically no effort at all. “Be yourself” people say. That only works for normal people. For the rest of us, that just gets you blank stares, if not laughter. You *think* you are doing what everyone else is doing, but for some reason its never right. Or so you are told. So please be careful with that broad brush.

    That said, I’m sure there are a lot of guys who are the lazy, self-important, entitled assholes you make them out to be. Maybe that applies to this murderous cocksucker, I have no idea. Believe it or not this is the first I’ve heard of the story. And obviously whatever social problems a person has doesn’t justify murder, and for fucks sake MRAs, its not the women’s fault that you have problems, self-inflicted or not. *IT’S NOT THE WOMEN’S FAULT* And it doesn’t mean two shits if this guy touched her or not, if she says “leave me alone”, which I suspect she did, you do just that. It’s not her fault that you are fucked up.

  • Die Anyway

    One of the troubling things is that they are probably correct… about the kinds of thoughts going through Mr. Kozak’s head. Of course, explanation should not be conflated with approval, but some of those comments seem to verge on the approval level. As those who know me would expect me to say at this point: “People are no damn good!”

    Also;

    I worked at a place that had to fire someone for inappropriate behavior. The company immediately hired an armed guard for about two weeks or so. I don’t know if psychologists have determined some average cooling off period but after a while the guards went away.

  • Pieter B, FCD

    I was definitely shaken by the murder, because my stepdaughter and grandkids live in Coralville, and I’ve been to that mall.

    I looked at Kozak’s wife’s FB page. Until I got to the linked article about “who the real racists are,” I thought she seemed like a nice, smart kid. Apparently she was studying microbiology at the U of Iowa, at least until she got married. There’s also a rant she wrote about going to the Coralville Costco to exercise her 2nd Amendment Rights with her hubby. They did not know it was a membership store and got really angry because they were asked to leave, despite the store not having a sign at the door telling people not to bring guns in. She decided Costco and its members are a cult.

    Comments on local news sites about the murder are not for the faint of heart. Apparently if the mall institutes a no-gun policy, things like this will happen more often, or something. And Kozak was a liberal.

  • http://www.michaelkuebler.net mikekuebler

    scienceavenger @10

    I had to log in to echo your first paragraph, I couldn’t have described the last 30 years of my “romantic” life any better. It almost feels cathartic just knowing I’m not the only one. Sorry for the slightly OT post, I have nothing to add to the discussion beyond WTF I can’t even.

  • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/914057025307566/ Jeffrey Dunford

    Wow, sorry about whatever happened to your penises, MRA guys.

  • http://www.michaelkuebler.net mikekuebler

    oops scienceavenger @11

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    Is there a more moronic phrase in the English language than “beta male”?

    I don’t think it’s moronic. I think that it’s sad, pitiful and more than a little dangerous. It’s the fear of being labeled a “beta” male is what drives these guys. It’s the same thing that drives honor killings in other societies. Being labeled a “beta” male means being labeled as worthless by your peers. It’s dehumanization for MRAs.

  • blf

    It’s all about the cooties! Cooties are horrible and icky. Cooties make you do disgusting things like, like, care about other people. Yuck!!!!1! And cookies ate my homework.

    Fortunately, it is easy to avoid cooties. Cooties are only carried by, well, ick, girls. PUK£! So avoid the females and you also avoid being contaminated & infested with cooties.

    You shouldn’t shoot those icky girls, however. That doesn’t immediately kill the cooties. To get rid of the cooties, you need to burn burn BURN! the witch. Like they did in them olden days, when men were MEN and girls were slaves.

  • Kermit Sansoo

    As somebody who’s been job hunting for some time now picturing being fired, in this job market, over some twit finding you “creepy”… Sad to say I’m finding it hard to blame him.

    .

    So… this poster finds it reasonable that he kill someone just because she is uncomfortable around him. Clearly she has no reason to think so, yes?

    .

    scienceavenger – There’s a scene in the movie “Steppenwolf” in which the protagonist Harry has been invited to a colleague’s house for dinner. The dinner is uncomfortably quiet until Harry decides to try socializing: “You know, a funny thing happened to me on my way here…” The hostess shrieks and runs out of the room. The hosts stands up and, throwing down his napkin, berates Harry: “No wonder you have no friends! How dare you act like this when you are an invited guest!” Harry, mortified and confused, stumbles out of the house.

    .

    This. I know exactly how Harry feels.

  • noe1951

    I went to the MRA site – once – just in time, evidently, to learn that if women only submitted to their god ordained ‘use’…or…if the government would set up a program to insure that every man got a woman…or…if they hadn’t been forced to be a virgin by the ripe old age of 19…or… they have nothing but excuses about how they are so wonderful and women ignore them because they’re not all rich and handsome. What a crock.

    And the men complaining above – omega males, I think.

  • frankb

    Coral Ridge Mall is just across town from me. Just two days before I was sitting just a few feet from where the shooting would take place. That adds an element of creepiness for me. I have heard of the justice department statisitic that 90% of women murdered in this country are killed by current or former boyfriends or spouses. This murder is not in that catagory but it is in the same vein.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Um, if he’s already married, why is he looking for another girl?

    Because he wasn’t looking for another girl, you see. He’s totes innocent. He was set up by evil feminists with nothing better to do than get mall cops fired via false accusations. The fact that he killed her only proves his innocence, although a smarter MRA would have swatted her. But sometimes one forgets proper MRA revenge procedure in the midst of a blind righteous fury.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    They believe they knew that Kozak’s wife would leave him because he lost his job and he’ll have a hard time finding another job, which is why he had no choice but to go back to the mall and murder the woman he had been frightening over the course of many months. Understand now?

    That too.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty — Survivor

    Ed

    Is there a more moronic phrase in the English language than “beta male”?

    “Alpha male”? “Pick-Up Artist”? “Men’s Rights Activist”?

  • llewelly

    scienceavenger:

    @10 You speak like someone who isn’t on the spectrum. For us, it *is* really hard. What comes so naturally to others is a frustration beyond words, like you are playing a game where no one will tell you the rules, but they are constantly telling you that you lost.

    It is worth remembering that plenty of women have this problem too.

  • samgardner

    Is there a more moronic phrase? Is that meant to be a trick question?

    I always found, “having no game”, “pick-up artist”, “White Knights”, “the sexual market place”, and “sex rank” to be pretty dopey.

    I also find the term, “mansplaining” to be pretty stupid, though.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    What makes this MRA response even more despicable is that apparently no one in the MRA crowd is even MENTIONING the person who actually made the decision to fire the guy, let alone questioning or blaming him/her. It’s almost like these guys have a huge blind-spot that physically prevents them from seeing that major part of the picture they’re looking at. Do they really think the guy’s boss had no agency at all here? That the female complainant just snapped her fingers and made it happen? That guys just automatically “get fired” when someone complains about them? (That’s what’s being said in the examples quoted: all passive voice, like no one actually DID anything, it just happened.)

    This is classic scapegoating: these guys can’t even think of questioning or confronting the people who have power to do them wrong, so they look for someone else to blame instead — in this case, women, either specific or in general. This is why the entire “men’s rights movement” is nothing but a fraud and a diversion, crafted to serve only the people in power by deflecting criticism and blame away from themselves.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Oh, and…

    His crime? Being a beta male raised without a father and a domineering mother.

    Do the MRAs actually know this about that particular guy? Are there documented details about his upbringing?

  • Kermit Sansoo

    Raging Bee says: His crime? Being a beta male raised without a father and a domineering mother.

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    Do the MRAs actually know this about that particular guy? Are there documented details about his upbringing?

    .

    Obviously he wasn’t an alpha male, who could have handled this woman without getting into trouble. The reason he wasn’t alpha? The usual reason – a bossy mom. Why would that need to be documented?

    [/sarcasm]

  • http://marniemaclean.com MissMarnie

    And people wonder why women are often reluctant to report harassment and assault.