Lapin: Secularists Want to Obliterate Christianity

Every right wing Christian’s favorite Jewish wingnut, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, went to Ralph Reed’s Road to Majority conference and threw some red meat to the credulous audience, telling them that the “state religion of secularism” is out to “obliterate Christianity.”

“The only form of sex that the official state religion of secular fundamentalism despises is the sex described as ideal in God’s book, the Bible,” Lapin said. “All other forms of sex [are] highly desirable and indeed brave and courageous to practice, but what you and your spouse do, that’s retrogressive and negative.”

“It’s exactly what the Muslim hoards did when they invaded Spain in the eighth century,” he continued. “They obliterated every sign of Christianity and that’s what the state religion of secular fundamentalism does as it conquers our society, works at obliterating the only hope this country has, which is a fervent, revived Christianity.”

That any human being could, with a straight face, use a phrase like “state religion of secularism” about this country is simply beyond belief. Atheists in public office are virtually unheard of. Virtually every legislative body begins each day with prayer. Public declarations of Christian piety by elected officials is practically mandatory. State religion of secularism, my ass.

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  • Doug Little

    I think Christianity is doing a bang up job of obliterating itself. I’m just sitting back and eating popcorn.

  • Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    I’d love to sit around discussing my religion of secularism, but I really don’t have time. I need to catch up on my hobby of not collecting stamps, and after that I may dye my hair bald.

  • StevoR

    As a secularist I’m just gunna say – nope.

    Obliterate Christianity -hell no. Not that we ever could anyhow.

    Stop it getting to impose itself on everyone else and tell the rest of us what to do , how we can act and even think and speak OTOH – Fuck yeah!

  • StevoR

    Also .. Which Christianity?

  • grumpyoldfart

    If you improved your education system people wouldn’t fall for this crap.

  • alanb

    Not only is Lapin out of touch with reality, he is ignorant of history. From the 8th century to the 12th century Moorish Iberia was one of the most tolerant places in Europe. It was not until the rule of the Almohad dynasty beginning in 1153 that they became as intolerant as the Christians.

  • caseloweraz

    Ralph Reed’s Road to Majority Conference

    Some people reading this, I suppose, might nod and hope Christians regain a majority in this country. (No one here would, I’m sure.) In fact Christians are and have been a majority, although their numbers are shrinking in the USA.

    Of course, the Conference is aimed at a certain sort of Christians — the kind that, as Doug Little notes, are doing a great job of cutting their own numbers.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST LIKE THE MUSLINS WHO TOOK OVER SPAIN AND ABOLISHED MARITAL INTERCOURSE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROCREATION!!!

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Hey, RWW: I betcha Lapin at least spelled “hordes” right in his script.

    … the only hope this country has, which is a fervent, revived Christianity.

    Rather odd thing for a rabbi to say. I take it Jews have no credentialing boards to determine who can or can’t use that title; maybe other Christian preachers will start taking it up too, just as some now call their churches “fellowships” or other creative re-branding.

  • caseloweraz

    Lapin: For fifty years we’ve done it your way…

    No. No you haven’t. Christians remain a majority in this country, and they retain the freedom to practice the various flavors of Christianity as they choose (with a few exceptions like refusing medical treatment for their minor children, when that becomes known.)

    As always, what you mean is you want everyone to do things your way.

  • wreck

    “All other forms of sex [are] highly desirable and indeed brave and courageous to practice”

    Will there be medals awarded? I’m not bragging, but…

  • raven

    “The only form of sex that the official state religion of secular fundamentalism despises is the sex described as ideal in God’s book, the Bible,” Lapin said.

    Rabbi Lapin has never even read the bible.

    Biblical sex is one male and however many wives he can round up, polygamy. Plus as many sex slaves as he can afford, concubines.

    All of which are now illegal in Israel and the USA.

  • Doug Little

    raven,

    Biblical sex is one male and however many wives he can round up, polygamy. Plus as many sex slaves as he can afford, concubines. All of which are now illegal in Israel and the USA.

    Way to make his point for him. Sheesh.

  • raven

    Lapin: Secularists Want to Obliterate Christianity

    This is just a lie.

    1. A lot of secularists are…xians. Including the founding fathers. They wrote separation of church and state and no religious test for office into the constitution.

    2. The US has been a secular country since it started.

    3. We can’t obliterate xianity even if we tried. The Romans tried it and look what happened to them after all. Xianity eventually became the state religion and then it fell during a struggle with…another group of xians over who gets the loot and control.

    4. As already pointed out, xianity is obliterating itself in a burst of lies, hate, and ugliness. All we can do is cheer them on and give it a little push here and there.

    Ralph Reed and Rabbi Lapin create more “secularists” in a day than Dawkins and Meyers do in a year.

  • Sastra

    “… but what you and your spouse do, that’s retrogressive and negative.”

    This part made me laugh. He makes it sound like there are actual campaigns out there designed to prevent married heterosexual couples from having sex the way they want — all in the name of progress and a positive world. I’ve never even seen that argued by an individual extremist (though I’m sure it’s somewhere on the internet, given that everything is.)

    Are there any groups arguing that Christianity is retrogressive and negative, false and harmful? Damn straight there are. But rational arguments are only going to “obliterate” a viewpoint if that viewpoint is demonstrably retrogressive and negative and people therefore all give it up voluntarily.

    Lapin needn’t worry about that. I’m sure he neither listens nor understands what he thinks he heard.

  • raven

    Ralph Reed’s Roadmap to Majority isn’t doing so good. He’s been doing this for decades. In that time xianity has lost maybe 40 million people, maybe more.

    1. The Pew report indicates they are losing 2 million a year, 1%.

    2. The reaction of the xians has been odd. The vast majority aren’t even aware of it. That is what happens when you live in a fact free, thought free world.

    The rest either claim it isn’t happening or it is a good thing as they get rid of the moderates, apathetics, and slackers, aka as normal people.

    3. As also noted by Amanda Marcotte and others, the xians are doing more of what isn’t working. More hate, lies, hypocrisy and sheer vicious ugliness.

    This is a positive feedback loop. Ralph Reed may live long enough to stand on the dead body of US xianity and declare victory for his Roadmap to Majority.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    The only form of sex that the official state religion of secular fundamentalism despises is the sex described as ideal in God’s book, the Bible,

    Daughters get father drunk and take advantage two nights in a row. Both end up pregnant. Mother! Sister! Mother! Sister!

  • raven

    It’s amusing how they keep trying to invent words for what they hate.

    Sometimes it is Atheists. Pagans. Humanists. Now Secularists is trending up.

    What is a Secularist anyway? It is a nebulous undefined term and misleading. The US has been an officially secular nation since it’s founding.

    I’m not even sure it is going to last. The fundie xians use atheist and Pagan as insults. Which isn’t really working. Most of us don’t find atheist insulting. And I cheer when they call me a Pagan. I am a Pagan. It’s nice that after they thought they killed them all, that they still even remember who we are.

    Probably Secularists won’t last and they will find some other neo-insult. For most of xian history starting with the bible, the people they didn’t like were all part of the demon’s world. I suppose they might resurrect that and call us demonicoids, demoniacs, or demon spawn or some such.

  • John Pieret

    what you and your spouse do, that’s retrogressive and negative

    Nobody should care what you and your wife are doing as long as you aren’t scaring the horses. What’s retrogressive and negative is your attempt to make everyone only do what you and your wife do.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    All other forms of sex [are] highly desirable and indeed brave and courageous to practice, but what you and your spouse do, that’s retrogressive and negative.

    Ah, if only Rev. Gary Aldridge could have been there to nod and clap and amen to that!

  • blf

    I would not be surprised if this nutter — or at least most of his audience — has the same understanding of “secular” as they seem to have of “socialism”, or, indeed, of “freedom of speech” and “freedom of religion.”

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    I am in favor of obliterating religion. But simply by teaching people to outgrow it.

  • laurentweppe

    That any human being could, with a straight face, use a phrase like “state religion of secularism” about this country is simply beyond belief

    But he’s not human: he’s a french rabbit toon, probably the distant cousin Bugs and Roger never invite to Thanksgiving because they’re too ashamed of him.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Just like Christianity has long tried to do to Judaism?

  • Die Anyway

    OP> ‘…out to “obliterate Christianity.”’

    Axe is sharp, is it time to start using it yet?

  • marcus

    “All other forms of sex [are] highly desirable and indeed brave and courageous to practice, but what you and your spouse do, that’s retrogressive and negative.”

    Honey, I told you not to leave the computer on in the bedroom. We’ve been Youtubed!

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/LDORIGINALS Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Has anyone pointed out to Mr. Lapin that places with a “fervent, revived Christianity” tend to be pretty hard on Jews?