Beck Still Clueless About Legal Matters

Glenn Beck has an idea that I’m sure he thinks is pure genius. He knows how to stick it to those evil gay people and stand up for free speech and he’s encouraging his followers to go to black-owned bakeries and ask them to make a cake with a Confederate flag on it — then sue them if they refuse.

Glenn has an idea. While he doesn’t believe the Confederate flag should be flying over the state capitol, he does think people should be able to put it on private property. Like a bumper sticker, a belt buckle, or maybe even a cake.

“Here’s what I’d like to suggest. People go in and ask for a wedding cake or a birthday cake with the Confederate flag on it. And if anybody says no, they won’t make that cake, sue them,” Glenn said.

“Now, just so I’m consistent and you understand, I believe the baker has a right to say no to you,” Glenn said.

The government and progressives, on the other hand, have shown that they think you should be forced to violate your beliefs.

Now Glenn, I’m sure you think this is really, really clever and all, but I assure you that it’s not. You just have no idea what such a lawsuit would be based on. The bakeries who have been sued for refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings have been sued on the grounds of state laws that forbid businesses from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. There is no law that forbids discrimination on the basis of political ideology or history. Which means if someone tried to file such a suit, it would be dismissed, as it should. Sorry/not sorry to rain on your parade.

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  • theDukedog7 .

    “There is no law that forbids discrimination on the basis of political ideology or history.”

    How about discrimination on the basis of race, color or creed?

    The Confederate Flag is the traditional flag of the Democrat Party.

    Democrats aren’t a creed?

  • The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    Aside from all of which, nobody is required to sell you anything that is not part of their regular stock-in-trade. That disposes of the s00per-clevar “Ham sandwich in a Kosher deli” crap, too.

  • The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    The Confederate Flag is the traditional flag of the Democrat Party.

    I’ve never heard of this “Democrat Party” you mention—sure you’ve got the right country? Fucksack.

  • StevoR

    Hey Dogshit! You still here? You lost.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

  • Trebuchet

    Egnor (#1), like most conservatives, is stuck 150 years in the past.

    And don’t you love how they always say “Democrat Party”, as if democracy is a terrible thing.

  • StevoR

    Also :

    Democrats aren’t a creed?

    No. They are not.

    They were Australian political party that expired a while ago.

    If you mean to refer instead to the United States of American Democratic political party, well, you are still very wrong.

  • dan4

    Why do most conservatives/Republicans say/write “The Democrat Party” instead of the correct “The Democratic Party?” Not only is it incorrect in a factual context, but also in a grammatical one (“Democrat/democrat,” in any context of the word, is not an adjective). I’ve never understood this.

  • StevoR

    @5.Trebuchet : Only one hundred and fifty years in the past eh? I’d have said longer still but yeah ..

  • dan4

    Anyway, to address the actual (lack of) substance of the comment @1: “The Confederate Flag is the traditional flag of the Democrat Party.” No, IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST “the traditional flag of the Democratic Party,” but not anymore. I would think that a party that twice nominated someone who is half-black to be a POTUS candidate would be a clear indication of that.

  • Al Dente

    Egnor is still pretending that the old Dixiecrats are now all Republicans. He’s ignoring Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Even the conservative New York Daily News admits:

    It was Nixon who devised and pursued what came to be called the Southern strategy. This was, in the admirably concise wording of Wikipedia, an appeal “to racism against African-Americans.” Nixon was hardly the first Republican to notice that Lyndon Johnson’s civil rights legislation had alienated whites both in the South and elsewhere — Johnson himself had forecast that Southern whites would desert the Democratic Party.

    The damage Nixon did to his own party, not to mention the rights of African-Americans and the cause of racial comity, has lasted long after the stench of Watergate has dispersed. It not only persuaded blacks that the Republican Party was inhospitable to them, but it in effect welcomed racists to the GOP fold. Dixiecrats moved smartly to the right.

    Excuse me for extrapolating, but segregationists are not merit scholarship winners. Racism is dumb, and so are racists. The Democratic Party showed racists the door.

    The GOP welcomed them and, of course, their fellow travelers — creationists, gun nuts, anti-abortion zealots, immigrant haters of all sorts and homophobes. Increasingly, the Republican Party has come to be defined by what it opposes and not what it proposes. Its abiding enemy is modernity.

  • DonDueed

    dan4: They use it (“Democrat party”) because they think it annoys us.

    Rather like the way some of us call them “Rethuglicans”.

  • The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    dan4: They use it (“Democrat party”) because they think it annoys us.

    Rather like the way some of us call them “Rethuglicans”.

    Speaking only for myself, it does annoy the shit out of me.

    It’s my understanding that it was invented by that anal fistula Buckley, because “Democratic” sounded too good. This si supposed to be a democratic country, right?

  • hrafn

    The Confederate Flag is the traditional flag of the Democrat Party.

    “The Confederate Flag” isn’t even an official flag of the (former) Confederate States of America. It is, at best, a rejected candidate for that role, and a battle flag of the Army of Tennessee.

    It would appear to be that theDukedog7 has been operating on his own brain, and has successfully self-labotomised — a medical first.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ hrafn : Given his the quality – or more accurately lack thereof – of his comments I’d have to dispute the “successfully”part of that! 😉

  • The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    “The Confederate Flag” isn’t even an official flag of the (former) Confederate States of America. It is, at best, a rejected candidate for that role, and a battle flag of the Army of Tennessee.

    Very true. And as I pointed out the other day, the actual Stars and Bars is flying over the Mississippi Governor’s Mansion, and has become the Georgia state flag. Time to remedy that situation by whatever means necessary.

  • StevoR

    But yes. Especially the first part of that. What an utter ignoramus & buffoon that blaggard Duke Dogshit is.

  • abb3w

    @7, dan4

    I’ve never understood this.

    Part of it seems to be an attempt to express dominance — inflicting a modification of the name on the object. (Cf. Genesis 2:19-20.) Part of it seems associated to the difficulty authoritarian followers tend to have with the complicated rules of English spelling and grammar. (See “The Authoritarian Dynamic” by Karen Stenner.)

    Anytime I see it, I tend to infer that the user is either high-SDO or high-RWA, and discount the amount of attention I’m inclined to allocate for searching their arguments for merit.

  • dingojack

    Lil Dookie no doubt will give us a nice rendition of the ‘Nixon gave black folks stuff’ aria, while conveniently ignoring the fear and loathing that the Republicans stirred up in whites to cement their power (the good ol’ Republican ‘White Flight’, anyone?)

    We all know how a certain well-known SENIOR REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST characterised the manifestly racist Republican Southern Strategy in 1981, still used (for ought I know) by that party to this day…

    Dingo

  • Michael Heath

    dan4 writes:

    [The Confederate Flag] HAS BEEN IN THE PAST “the traditional flag of the Democratic Party,” but not anymore.

    Citation requested.

  • Anri

    theDukedog7 @ 1:

    How about discrimination on the basis of race, color or creed?

    The Confederate Flag is the traditional flag of the Democrat Party.

    Democrats aren’t a creed?

    True.

    That’s why no Democrat has ever suggested it should be removed as a symbol of government.

    …um, wait a sec, somethin’ amiss here.

    theDukedog7, I can’t help but feel I’m not getting something right. Assistance?

  • otrame

    The notion that the Democrats of the 1860s were all Confederates is bullshit too. There was a large contingent of Democrats in northern states, based on issues that had little or nothing to do with slavery. Many of them voted against Lincoln (both times) because they wanted to avoid/stop the war. Many Republicans at that time wanted the slaves sent back to Africa, including Lincoln. He was convinced to change his mind by a number of factors, but I suspect largely by Frederick Douglass, who apparently explained to him in words of one syllable why that was not going to work.

    As for our dear Dukedoggie, yes, yes, Republicans were the party that ended up overseeing the release of the slaves. As a result the Democratic party was full of a bunch of racists for a long time. Things have changed, dearie. Hell, within my own adult life things have changed. There was a time when I occasionally voted for Republicans in local elections, especially for local jobs requiring competency that I thought the Democrat didn’t have. But all the reasonable Republicans have been run out of the party. Even though I didn’t often agree with Republicans back in the day, they were seldom down right evil. Then they sold their souls. They started courting racists and religious nuts to get elected. Watching the result of that has been pretty sad. And completely predictable. And sort of funny.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge @ # 12: … (“Democrat party”) … It’s my understanding that it was invented by that anal fistula Buckley …

    I have no definitive information on this one way or the other, but W.F. Buckley did pride himself on grammatical correctness and syntactical elegance. However, the current usage seems to have (re-?)originated with the much more verbally maladroit, one might well say boorish (and still grossly understate the case) Karl “Turdblossom” Rove.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    otrame “The notion that the Democrats of the 1860s were all Confederates is bullshit too. There was a large contingent of Democrats in northern states, based on issues that had little or nothing to do with slavery. “

    Wrong! The Democrat party was, as always, so united on the subject of maintaining and expanding slavery that the Democrat party ran two different candidates for president in 1860. Checkmate, Demoncrats!

  • dhall

    And there were plenty of northern members of the Democratic Party in the Union Army during the Civil War. Custer was probably one of the more famous ones, but there were others.

  • footface

    Yes, well, regardless of Custer’s membership in the Democratic Party, the point remains that if something was true during the Civil War it is necessarily true today.

  • Hoosier X

    I am a little dubious that this is a good analogy.

    A black baker asked to decorate a cake with the Southern swastika is being asked to create an image that stands for racism and slavery and hatred. It’s very distasteful to ask ANYONE to put it on a cake. But to boldly go in and confront a black baker with such a request is the height of rudeness and insensitivity and cruelty.

    Now, when a gay person goes up to a straight baker and asks for a gay-wedding cake … well, it seems to be a lot different to me. No matter how badly the straight baker is suffering from christian privilege, he or she would sound like a shrill whiny little wimp if he or she tried to claim any such oppression by the Gay Agenda or the homosexual hordes or whatever.

    I have an idea! Let’s compare apples to … apples!

    Homophobic straight Christians should flock to gay bakers and ask for STRAIGHT wedding cakes. I bet they won’t experience any trouble being accommodated and treated professionally.

    Um … now I see why Beck didn’t go the “sensible analogy” route.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=701394965 patrickashton

    There is no law that forbids discrimination on the basis of political ideology or history. Which means if someone tried to file such a suit, it would be dismissed, as it should.

    Then they’ll just claim that the evil liberal government is discriminating against them. Glen Beck probably sees this as a win-win.

  • coragyps

    Part of that “Democrat Party” shtick is pure 2nd grade psychology – it rhymes with “rat,” so that means those folks are rodents rather than patriots. And I have been pretty much told that be a teabagger coworker…

  • teele

    Hoosier X: “No matter how badly the straight baker is suffering from christian privilege, he or she would sound like a shrill whiny little wimp if he or she tried to claim any such oppression by the Gay Agenda or the homosexual hordes or whatever.”

    I know, right? “Those horrible homosexuals tried to pay me my asking price for the product I claim to be in business to sell — they are DISGUSTING!” Personally, I’d LOVE to be a baker, photographer or caterer right now.

    coragyps: “Part of that “Democrat Party” shtick is pure 2nd grade psychology – it rhymes with ‘rat,'”

    I think you’re supposed to substitute a p for the last letter — more kindergarten psychology than the mature thinking processes of a second grader!

  • jaybee

    Why do right wingers say “Democrat Party?”

    I think part of it is that it is so widely used in right wing talk radio that it has permeated their culture, and most actually think they are getting it right. Another part is the Republicans are members of the Republican party, therefore Democrats should be members of the Democrat party — it just feels right to them.

    I’m sure there are some who know the difference and say it to tweak the noses of Democrats, but really, I think most of them have no idea they are getting it wrong.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @Hoosier X and teele

    Yep. I came here to post the same thing. Legally speaking, I don’t know offhand, but morally speaking, the comparison is ridiculous. Beck is trying to draw an analogy between forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a gay wedding and a black baker forced to bake a cake for a Confederate themed wedding, or something. However, Beck has the roles reversed in the analogy. The blacks and gays are just trying to live their life in peace. They are not out to oppress anyone. They are not spreading hatred. They are being tolerant. The intolerant, hate-filled, tyranny-minded people in the example are the Christians and the Confederates. The gays and blacks just want a damn cake. The Christians and Confederates are the ones who want to push the blacks and gays out of the public square, to humiliate them, to oppress them, to enslave them, and to kill them. That’s the difference.

  • arthurhunt

    If I ran a bakery and someone like Beck asked me for a custom-baked Confederate Flag cake, I’d say fine – after I get the $1000 payment for the special order up front.

    On second thought, Beck is probably dumb enough to pay $10,000 for the cake. So that’s probably what it would cost him.

  • JohnInLex

    I was recently working a primary election when our presiding judge noticed the ballot said “Democratic Party.” He said that the Board of Elections got it wrong and it should be “Democrat Party.” I explained that Democratic was correct. He argued with me. He really believed that it was “Democrat.” I think I convinced him, but I’m not sure. I told him he watched too much Fox News.

  • Michael Heath

    Wikipedia on the use of the term ‘Democrat Party’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

  • peggin

    To me, whether or not the bakery should be required to make any particular kind of cake should be entirely dependent on whether they are being asked to (1) do something that goes beyond the kind of service they normally provide and (2) make any kind of expressive statement.

    If I hold myself out to the public as being in the business of making wedding cakes, and someone comes in and asks for a wedding cake that is typical of the type of cake I normally make, I should be required to sell it to them, regardless of WHY they want the cake. it should make no difference if it’s for the wedding of two men, or two women, or a man and a woman, or if it’s going to be used in a scene in a movie the plot of which glorifies the KKK or the Nazi party. If I’m in the business of making cakes, and they want one of my typical cakes, then I should have to sell it to them period.

    IMO, the only place my right to decline some or part of the order should come in to play is if the person is asking for some message to be put on the cake, because that involves them asking me to express something. Whether the “expression” being requested of me is a Confederate flag or a rainbow or “God Hates Fags” or “Congratulations Steve and Greg”, I should have the right to say “I’ll sell you the cake, but I won’t put that message on the cake.”

    Of course, I should have the right to say “Sure, I’ll put that on the cake,” to some of those requests without losing my right to say “No F-ing way will I put that on the cake” to others, But even as I say “No,” if the potential customer still wants the cake without that message on it, and they aren’t asking me to do anything that is different from the type of cake I normally make, then I should not have the right to decline to sell it to them simply because they hold some political or religious or philosophical view that I disagree with.

  • Hoosier X

    If somebody went to a bakery and asked for a cake decorated with graphic anal sex, then I and every liberal I know would support the decision by any bakes to refuse.

    That’s the analogy you get when you compare apples to apples.

    A baker or caterer who refuses to provide regular services to a gay wedding is just a homophobic dick, clinging to christian privilege, and hiding behind biblical justifications that don’t actually exist outside of the FOX News Fantasy World.

    If Jesus was real, he would be disgusted by all the extremist christians making him look like an intolerant dick and making his philosophy look like a scam invented for homophobic tools and gullible fools

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Beck has a point though. Being an asshole to black people is the perfect way to get even with the gays.

  • mithrandir

    I sum up the gay wedding cake issue as: a baker can be required to sell the same cake to one couple as they would to another, but cannot be required to customize a cake in a way they find distasteful.

    Or put another way, two men can expect to get the white three-layer cake from any baker they choose, but they need to go to a gay-friendly shop for the two-man cake topper.

  • U Frood

    It has the benefit of sharing God’s incredibly poor aim.