Shoebat: Execute Anyone Who Supports Gay Rights

Ted Shoebat, the deranged fascist son of fake “ex-terrorist” Walid Shoebat, has already called for the “slaughter” of gay people. Now he says that even “opinions expressed in favor for homosexuality” are cause for capital punishment because it’s “sedition” against Christianity.

Many claiming Christians will express their support for the sodomites, and they many times will bring up the “love of Christ” to vindicate their support for them. Let us remind such people that no where in Scripture is evil tolerated simply because it does not physically or directly harm someone, or because it is private. In fact, Christianity is so much against allowing private deviancy, that it says that those who “approve of those who practice them” are “worthy of death” (Romans 1:32).

This means that opinions expressed in favor for homosexuality and other deviancies (such as cannibalism), are worthy of capital punishment. This purely illustrates that Christianity is so much against the license to do evil — even if it is done in private — that it prohibits any approval of it. For those who disapprove, let them read the words of St. Isidore where he said that law “is composed of no private advantage, but for the common benefit of the citizens.” (Isidore, Etymologiae, 5.21, in Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Ia IIae 90, article 2) Let them read St. Thomas where he says that “Law must therefore attend especially to the ordering of things toward blessedness.” (Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Ia IIae 90, article 2)

Homosexuality needs to be treated as sedition against the people. What is a people? A people, as St. Augustine defines one, is not to mean “any indiscriminate multitude, but an assembly of those united by agreement as to what is right and by a common interest.” Therefore, sedition is not just against the government itself, but against the collective and common morals and precepts by which a community is united. As St. Thomas says, “sedition is opposed to justice and the common good.” (Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae 64, article 2)

Since homosexuality is against the sacrament of marriage, which is the building block of society, then it is against the common good, and the very Faith of our civilization, and thus is an enemy to the Christian people and should be treated as sedition. Let the heretics who believe in such license read where St. Paul refers to these sodomites as “deserving of death,” and also those who “approve of those who practice them” (Romans 1:32), and let them dare say that homosexuality should be allowed in a Christian society. The first principle of law is that good must be rewarded and strived for, and evil punished, (Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Ia IIae, 94, article 2) and this is why we say with St. Peter that rulers are sent by God “for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.” (1 Peter 2:14)…

To those who object to intolerance against homosexuality, or any grave evil, we repeat the words of Solomon, “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15)

The inculcation of the homosexual ideology is due to the weakness of churches. In ancient Israel, when low class priests reigned, sodomites were also given leeway to conduct their evils and further degenerate society. For after Jeroboam made “of the lowest of the people priests of the high places” (13:33), “there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel.” (14:24)

This is why the sodomites must be rooted out, for such is what God commands, and failure to do so leads only to spiritual, and then ultimately, to societal anarchy.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Christian fascism.

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  • dmcclean

    “Spiritual anarchy” is more commonly known as freedom of religion.

  • raven

    Shoebat: Execute Anyone Who Supports Gay Rights

    Quite the mass murderer wannabe.

    Polls show that the majority of the US population supports…gay rights. Most of them are….xians.

    Ted Shoebat wants to kill them. That would be somewhere greater than 160 million people.

    This is one main reason why xianity fails. It’s not a source of morality. It has been a source of mass murder over and over during its history.

    PS As horrible as it sounds, Ted Shoebat is really one of our best arguments. Xians have been making atheists since 33 CE.

  • colnago80

    I’m sure that ole Schmucknor just fawns over this putz.

  • theDukedog7 .

    I most assuredly do not support the death penalty for gays.

    If they’re dead, we can’t force them to bake us cakes.

  • sugarfrosted

    @Egnor, could you do something actually useful? Like perform more life saving brain surgeries on children, rather than making an idiot of yourself?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=701394965 patrickashton

    This purely illustrates that Christianity is so much against the license to do evil — even if it is done in private — that it prohibits any approval of it.

    This purely illustrates that Christianity can be just as evil as any other religious belief.

  • colnago80

    Re sugarfrosted @ #5

    Children patients are probably the big winners when Schmucknor spends his time commenting here, rather then in the operating room.

  • dan4

    @4: So you do favor the death penalty for gays who don’t work in a bakery. Good to know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DocMonkey mickwright

    Threatening and inciting violence for political goals based on his faith?

    His dad’s a liar about the whole thing, but there’s nothing ex about this terrorist.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @5:

    Who is this “egnor” you keep refering to? Sounds like a real asshole.

    As for me, I don’t have time to do anything except bake cakes. Business has really exploded since Kennedy found that magical right to SSM. I just keep bakin’–don’t want to lose my business and go to prison.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.criley jason the cripple

    “A people, as St. Augustine defines one, is not to mean “any indiscriminate multitude, but an assembly of those united by agreement as to what is right and by a common interest.” Therefore, sedition is not just against the government itself, but against the collective and common morals and precepts by which a community is united.”

    Seeing as you and the rest of your anti-gay bigots are in the minority, aren’t you the ones guilty of sedition. For the majority of us, our common morals say that discrimination against gays is bad.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @8:

    Equal protection. The 14th Amendment says that if we have to bake them cakes, they have to bake us cakes.

    Cake equality.

  • zenlike

    Hey theDukedog7, you actually referred to yourself in a post as “Michael Egnor”. You do know we can still look that up right? Either you where lying then, or you are lying in comment 10 here. So which one is it?

    And is lying not against your religion perchance?

  • theguy

    Hey, ShitDog: I don’t care if you claim you oppose the death penalty for gays. You’ve spent more time on this thread derping about anti-discrimination laws than you have about Shitbat’s drooling, insane desire for a fascist Christian theocracy.

    The Fourteenth Amendment allows for equal protection under the law. Christian bakers cannot deny a cake for a gay wedding, and gay bakers cannot deny a cake for a straight wedding. I, as a non-believer, couldn’t deny a cake for a Christian couple, not even if a degenerate like Shitbat was getting married.

    As for Shitbat, he’s making the same error that the other sadist fundies like ShitMoore are making – assuming that they’re the “righteous” and that gay people are “wicked” and evil. America’s laws do not exist to punish people according to a stunted, narrow view of morality. America’s laws exist, in part, to protect people from being censored, tortured and murdered by Shitbat and his followers.

  • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/1383910591939350/ Marissa van Eck

    Thing is, he’s technically right. And we’ve sheltered Christians far too long by treating them like our embarrassing, slightly developmentally-delayed cousins.

    No, Shoebat here is a true Christian, true to the doctrine and the religion and the words of its exponents. And we should spread that around loud and clear, and force people who call themselves Christian for cultural reasons to come face to face with this. Much like rubbing a dog’s face in its own shit when it goes on the carpet; cruel, but effective.

    Of course, if someone went and lit Shoebat on fire, I would bring the marshmallows and graham crackers 😀

  • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/1383910591939350/ Marissa van Eck

    All the above goes for you too, Egnor-amus. I’d happily watch both you and Shoebat burn. You can go to your beloved Hell together, as i’m sure there’s a nice group discount.

  • theguy

    And also, come to think of it – I remember a thread a few weeks ago where I stated my opposition to eugenics, and ShitDog said that because I had to specifically deny support for eugenics, that meant, apparently, that the entire Left supports it. Bullshit, of course.

    So, if ShitDog has to specifically deny that he wants to murder gay people, I can assume that most of his friends and fellow right-wingers support anti-gay pogroms.

  • discountdeity

    Who is this “egnor” you keep refering to? Sounds like a real asshole.

    I was genuinely skeptical as to whether or not this was actually Egnor. But now I’m pretty sure it is.

  • John Pieret

    “For those who disapprove, let them read the words of St. Isidore where he said that law “is composed of no private advantage, but for the common benefit of the citizens.”

    Funny, I don’t remember Izzy being at the Constutional Convention …

  • Knight in Sour Armor

    @14 – Actually, in most states “Christian” bakers would not be forced to make a homosexual couple a cake; that protected status is only enshrined in the laws of (I think 17?) a handful of states. Admittedly the new SCOTUS ruling has probably laid the ground work for establishing those protections at the federal level, if need be, but beyond clerks and judges no one’s being made to do anything here.

    The deluded/insane/brain damaged troll up above won’t appreciate or understand this.

  • John Pieret

    “If they’re dead, we can’t force them to bake us cakes.”

    And, Egnor, if a gay Baker refused to bake you a cake because you are a Christian, I’d be right there … to recommend a lawyer who doesn’t (already) hate your guts.

  • abb3w

    @13, zenlike

    Hey theDukedog7, you actually referred to yourself in a post as “Michael Egnor”. You do know we can still look that up right?

    Linky, for those about to look. Which makes this look like a warning sign of dissociative psychopathy.

    Some people don’t grasp the nuances of difference between pseudonymity and anonymity.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Children patients are probably the big winners when Schmucknor spends his time commenting here, rather then in the operating room.

    By all accounts Dr. Egnor is a perfectly competent plumber and would, indeed, be of more benefit to society engaged in the trade that he has learned than attempting thought, which he has not.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @Marissa Van Ick:

    [Of course, if someone went and lit Shoebat on fire, I would bring the marshmallows and graham crackers]

    And cake. Don’t forget cake.

  • dan4

    “This means that opinions expressed…are worthy of capital punishment.” That’s interesting (well, to me, anyway). Usually, Christians defend that “worthy of death” line in Romans 1:32 by claiming that “death” in this instance is a reference to Hell and NOT a literal call for capital punishment.

  • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/1383910591939350/ Marissa van Eck

    @24

    I’m not really a fan of cake. The cake is a lie. Besides, the whole point is getting that nice smoky flavor into the marshmallows; cake is already baked.

    Don’t you wingnuts have a duty to be persecuted anyway? Jeebus told you to expect it; shaddap and take it like a man! It’s supposed to be your ticket to infinite bliss after all.

    …boy are you fuckers ever going to be in for a rude shock when you die 😀

  • Trebuchet

    @23: Thanks for that. All I needed to know.

  • David Eriksen

    Re: Marissa van Eck

    Perhaps I’m ruining the joke here but I’m gonna guess you’ve never actually smelled burning flesh. I wouldn’t want to season anything with that. It’s…unpleasant.

    Now, if you knock the corpse out of the way and just use the pyre itself as your source of smokey flavor…

  • http://wanderinweeta.blogspot.com Susannah

    Shoebat hasn’t read his own Bible.

    In fact, Christianity is so much against allowing private deviancy, that it says that those who “approve of those who practice them” are “worthy of death” (Romans 1:32).

    This means that opinions expressed in favor for homosexuality and other deviancies (such as cannibalism), are worthy of capital punishment.

    “All have sinned …” Romans 3:23

    “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” Ezequiel 18:20, KJV

    “The wages of sin is death, …” Romans 6:23

    “… sin entered into the world, and death by sin …” Romans 5:12 KJV

    etc., etc., etc. …

    And, the passage that Shoebat quotemined, Romans 1:32, in context:

    Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    So, by his own ideology, Shoebat is equally worthy of capital punishment. As are all his friends and family.

    Charity begins at home.

  • leni

    This is the text over a link on the Shoebat site:

    CLICK HERE TO GET OUR 2-DISK DVD SERIES ON CHRISTIAN MILITANCY AND CHRISTIAN WARFARE AND JOIN THE FIGHT TODAY!

    No, I did not click it. I really hope someone in Homeland Security has, though.

  • StevoR

    @10. theDukedog7 . : “@5:Who is this “egnor” you keep refering to? Sounds like a real asshole.”

    That’s because this real arsehole here is you. Or so we are given to believe because of what you have said earlier and, of course, you already know this Dogshit.

    We know you have trouble answering (ahem) straight questions Dogshit and have already ducked and weaved but another chance here for youtoconfirm or otherewise but simple yes or no question for ya here :

    Are you or are you not Dr Egnor, the Z-list fmous~ish Creationist blogger?

  • StevoR

    @30. leni : “I really hope someone in Homeland Security has, though.”

    Me too!

    Especially as we know from statistics and observed fact :

    http://rt.com/usa/269506-american-terroist-attacks-study/

    that the Christianists & right-wing neo-confederate extremists are much more common terrorists than the Muslims despite the false media impressions to the contrary. A false media impression that has fooled many people – incl. to my shame, me at one stage.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Let them read the words of sigurd jorsalfar who says, “Go fuck yourself, Shoebat. And fuck Peter and fuck Augustine and fuck Isidore and fuck your barbarous religion.”

  • footface

    So, every time Dukedog makes another cake “joke,” what’s the thinking? He must think we’re… what? Shaking our fists at him, feeling like he really got us? I guess I don’t get it. I understand the cake reference, but am I supposed to be embarrassed? “Boy, he really let us have it! He sure showed us the silliness of our position!” I just don’t see how it’s some kind of zinger.

  • dan4

    @34: Especially considering that the cases of people facing fines (but NOT imprisonment, despite the “prison” references in some of Dukedog’s “jokes” involving cake) involves the violation of state anti-discrimination laws, not the Supreme Court-imposed legalization of gay marriage.

  • Crudely Wrott, lurching towards recrudescence

    In fact, Christianity is so much against allowing private deviancy, that it says that those who “approve of those who practice them” are “worthy of death” (Romans 1:32).

    “Well, then. That’s done with all of us, innit?” said the deviate to the denier.

  • sabrekgb

    Well, to be fair, what happens if you don’t pay fines? Eventually, after many intermediate steps, you go to jail. Some places, anyway.

    While it’s not like people are being thrown directly in jail for those sorts of things, their failure to comply, after lots of steps, could result in them being incarcerated. Let’s not forget that government fines do carry with them, indirectly, the threat of men with guns coming and putting you in a cage. This is regardless of whether the fines are justified or not.

  • dan4

    @37. “Let’s not forget that the government fines do carry with them, indirectly, the threat of men with gens coming and putting you in a cage.” This is a bit disingenuous, since Egnor only mentions prison time, and nothing about fines. The (false) inference is clearly that prison time is a DIRECT result of violating the laws in question.

  • whheydt

    Re: sabrekgb @ #37….

    I suspect, at least in most places, long before any real threat of jail appeared, the official response would be a method I was told about when working on a child support system, oh, about 20 years ago. it’s called a “till tap”. Some suitable official with police powers (typically a county sherriff in a child support case) stands next to the cash register. Every time a sale is made, the official takes the court ordered portion of it, and the rest (if there is any) goes into the till. This continues until the state has collected to amount they’re after (full arrears in child support cases). This is highly embarrassing to shop owners and they tend to cough up the money quickly to avoid it as it doesn’t do anything positive for customers to see a cop standing there collecting the money the state says the shop owner owes and hasn’t paid.

    Really…jail is the last thing anyone wants. It’s very hard for someone in jail to generate any income to pay off a fine, plus it costs the state money to cover room, board and security. That’s also why the IRS really doesn’t want to jail people in cases where back taxes are owed and they only seek incarceration as a penalty where the offender simply will not see reason and make a effort to pay what is owed. See Kent Hovind for a prime example.

  • footface

    Ok, fine, but seriously. Is the idea that Dukedog thinks he’s shaming us by making us “own” the idea that a business open to the public shouldn’t be able to discriminate, like “all those” bakeries?

    Like, he can keep making the “joke,” but every time I’m just saying, “Exactly.”