Barton Joins the ‘Retirement Isn’t Biblical” Chorus

Rabbi Daniel Lapin has been going on right wing radio shows for the last couple years and claiming that the idea of retirement is against God’s will because it isn’t mentioned in the Bible. David Barton has now joined him in this ridiculous cliche and, as usual, telling lies along the way.

“Retirement is not a biblical concept,” Barton said, putting forth a theory that he appears to have stolen from Rabbi Daniel Lapin. “That is a pagan concept that comes from the Babylonian system. If you want to live in Egypt, you want to live in Babylon, great, retire. God’s people, that is not a model.”

“One of the great indications that something is not part of what God wants is the fruit that accompanies it,” he continued. “And one of the things that I’ve always believed is Deuteronomy 6:24, He says, ‘Everything I tell you is for your benefit, that you can enjoy a long life, that you can prosper,’ and so if we see something in the way of statistics or science that shows that we don’t have a long life, that will diminish our life, then we know that’s not part of what God wanted us to do.”

Citing statistics that supposedly show that, on average, people die within three years of retiring, Barton claimed that is because “your body says, ‘Oh, you want to do nothing? Great. Let’s just shut down.'”

“God did not design us for retirement,” Barton said. “He did not design us to quit being productive, and when you start doing things that go contrary to what He designed us for, it always gets bad results. And so the statistics are there that God did not design us for retirement.”

No, actually they aren’t there. The average age of retirement in this country is 62 years old. The average age of death is 78.8 years. That’s a nearly 19 year gap, not 2.4 years. As usual, Barton is just throwing out claims without a shred of evidence for them and then drawing a ridiculous conclusion based on those false claims. It’s what he does. It’s how he managed to make so much money.

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  • xuuths

    A Rabbi cannot be excused for not knowing what is in the Hebrew Testament.

    Numbers 8:25 — And from the age of fifty years they shall cease waiting upon the service thereof, and shall serve no more.

  • Ellie

    So, one assumes that women who are Godly, Submissive SAHMs who have no job from which to retire, never die.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Worse, he’s never going to retire.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    xuuths, Num 8:25 applied to the Levites, not to regular folk.

  • D. C. Sessions

    So — everything not mentioned in the Bible is contrary to God’s Will™?

    Looking at that picture [1]:

    * Barton’s well-shaven face (actually, mentioned. Also forbidden.)

    * Houseplants

    * Is that a mug for … coffee?

    * Plaid shirt — neither cotton nor polyester are mentioned. Mixed fabrics, on the other hand …

    * Microphone? Really?

    I’m sure there’s much, much more. For instance, it’s a bit hard to believe that Barton gets around by horse or camel [2], and the Bible doesn’t mention automobiles, much less airplanes.

    [1] OK, to be fair: the picture isn’t Biblical either. Maybe that cancels it all out or something.

    [2] although he does seem to spend a lot of time on his ass

  • Broken Things

    Bet Barton retires comfortably with the money he has fleeced from the wingnuts.

  • whirligig

    It’s easy not to retire if your “job” is just spouting bullshit all day. Plenty of retired people continue to do that as a hobby anyway.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    “I will work until the day I drop because retirement is unbiblical.” — Thos Jefferson

  • sharonb

    So cutting taxes for the top “earners,” privatizing Social Security, breaking it and putting old folks on the catfood diet, or starving them in their cardboard Bartonvilles is awesome and TOTALLY biblical! !

  • arakasi

    The other assumption that he makes is that retirement means the end of being productive. Most of the retirees that I know who are medically able are still going out and doing things, they just changed their focus from doing things for a paycheck to doing things because they want to.

  • Synfandel

    Rabbi Daniel Lapin has been going on right wing radio shows for the last couple years and claiming that the idea of retirement is against God’s will because it isn’t mentioned in the Bible.

    I can’t find any mention of right wing radio shows in the Bible either.

  • garnetstar

    Is this the latest thing because the Republicans are against Social Security? I mean, it’s never been unbiblical before, has it?

    I think this one’s going to be a hard sell, even to the masses who usually swallow Barton’s every word.

  • magistramarla

    The wingnuts are busy doing the bidding of their employers. They are justifying the privatizing of Social Security and the grab of retirement funds by the 1%. By convincing the rubes that retirement is not biblical, they can convince them to hand over their retirement funds without a peep. In addition, the rubes will try to shame those of us who disagree.

  • k_machine

    Average life span in biblical times: 30 years

  • scottbelyea

    “a nearly 19 year gap”

    Well … nearly 17 …

  • Reginald Selkirk

    The word retire or retired appears four times in teh Bible (KJV of course).

    Judg 20:39

    2Sam 11:15

    2Sam 20:22

    Jer 4:6

    From the last one:

    Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

    There it is: a direct command from the Lord God to the men of Judah and Jerusalem. Retire or bad things will happen.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    I can’t wait for the Republican presidential candidates to run on this platform. “You must toil until you die to maximize the profits of your capitalist betters” is going to go over quite well.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Doesn’t this sort of spiel tend to risk alienation of the generational cohorts of codgers & crones who (a) have opposing opinions based on their own life histories and (b) form the primary core of donors to the Religious Right?

    Why would Lapin, Barton, et alia, take sharp whacks at their own base?

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man
    Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

    There it is: a direct command from the Lord God to the men of Judah and Jerusalem. Retire or bad things will happen.

    You’re probably being tongue-in-cheek, but the passage seems to mean retire from the battlefield. The NIV interprets it as “flee for safety”.

    Not that it matters one way or the other. The Bible could contain a direct, unambiguous command that everyone stop working at a certain age and it would not matter one bit to Barton. Biblical exegesis for these people is purely an exercise in rationalizing what they already believe. And what they already believe is usually in other people’s worst interests.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, us Republicans know that this new retirement-free retirement plan won’t apply to those of us who have earned our Social Security. It will only apply to you Moochers. And the GOP ever turns on us retirees we’ll blame it on the Democrats anyway, for bankrupting this Great Nation with all their Socialism*.

     

    * SOCIALISM!!!

  • http://florilegia.wordpress.com Ibis3, These verbal jackboots were made for walking

    so if we see something in the way of statistics or science that shows that we don’t have a long life, that will diminish our life, then we know that’s not part of what God wanted us to do.”

    Okay, so science says that washing one’s hands before eating is a good thing. That refusing to do so increases the risk of disease which will diminish our life. And yet, Jesus encouraged his followers to forego the practice. How does he explain that?

  • xuuths

    Romans 13 also commands christians to pay all their taxes. Those loopholes are satanic!

  • Scientismist

    Synfandel @ 11:

    I can’t find any mention of right wing radio shows in the Bible either.

    Old testament: The Book of Marconi.

    New testament: Paul’s Letter to the Broadcasters.

    Area Man @ 17:

    I can’t wait for the Republican presidential candidates to run on this platform. “You must toil until you die to maximize the profits of your capitalist betters” is going to go over quite well.

    It seems to have worked well for them in the past..

  • Die Anyway

    Thank God I’m not average. ;-). I retired 2.5 years ago. I’d hate to think I only have 6 months to go. (Although nobody knows when that proverbial bus will take them out.)

    I scrimped and saved for years so that I *could* retire. What would Barton have me do? Keep working even though I saved enough to live on? And besides, I thought I was doing society a favor by retiring and opening up a job for a young whipper-snapper… or maybe two since I was so good that it probably took two people to replace me.

    And finally, to put lie to Barton’s 3 year claim: I bicycle every Tuesday with a group of retirees. 20 or 30 show up and almost all of them are older than me (@67), have been retired longer and can outride me. One of the group just turned 83 and did a ‘birthday ride’, i.e. 83 miles. I only made 41 of it with him before I gave up. Oh, and many of them are religious but they must not go to Barton’s church as I have not heard any of them planning to go back to work.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    I’m sure that God Hisself has retired: the bastard hasn’t done a stroke of work these many thousands of years.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    I’m sure that God Hisself has retired: the bastard hasn’t done a stroke of work these many thousands of years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eo.raptor.3 eoraptor

    Well, regardless of what the wholly babble says, I can’t ever retire. The 1% made sure that Social Security income is inadequate for any but the most wretched lifestyle, then blew the economy so that I had to rely on my retirement savings to pay bills when I couldn’t have retired with full benefits. So, I guess I’ll code until my fingers drop off, on a salary until I’m 72, then freelance after. Or, maybe I’ll get good enough at making furniture that I can supplement my Social Security that way.

  • Juniper

    ‘Oh, you want to do nothing?’

    I was going to describe in detail examples of the “nothing” that apparently is retirement, which include but are not limited to my parents’ long-distance running, church activities, community service and interest in local politics as well as my zany mentor’s decision to earn a PhD in the physical sciences from one of the most difficult programs in the country and my other mentor’s magical ability to have fingers in eight million pies at once, but then I just gave up and called bullshit like everyone upthread. There is no way this is about fleeing the Whore of Babylon and not about opposition to Social Security. Plus, it would have made this comment too long.

    I don’t even know why Barton has to go to these lengths. I remember a brief interview with, IIRC, a Tea Party activist from a few years ago. She said that she received Social Security, but had still joined an effort to get rid of it.

  • Juniper

    ‘Oh, you want to do nothing?’

    I was going to describe in detail examples of the “nothing” that apparently is retirement, which include but are not limited to my parents’ long-distance running, church activities, community service and interest in local politics as well as my zany mentor’s decision to earn a PhD in the physical sciences from one of the most difficult programs in the country and my other mentor’s magical ability to have fingers in eight million pies at once, but then I just gave up and called bullshit like everyone upthread. There is no way this is about fleeing the Whore of Babylon and not about opposition to Social Security. Plus, it would have made this comment too long.

    I don’t even know why Barton has to go to these lengths. I remember a brief interview with, IIRC, a Tea Party activist from a few years ago. She said that she received Social Security, but had still joined an effort to get rid of it.

  • thebookofdave

    His sudden concern for the health of an aging workforce is as touching as his proposal for everyone to die on the job is a testament to god’s mercy.

  • thebookofdave

    His sudden concern for the health of an aging workforce is as touching as his proposal for everyone to die on the job is a testament to god’s mercy.

  • Trebuchet

    If either of those clowns actually WORKED for a living, I might feel the slightest bit guilty about retiring. Not.

  • Trebuchet

    If either of those clowns actually WORKED for a living, I might feel the slightest bit guilty about retiring. Not.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Gun rights aren’t a biblical concept either. I look forward to Lapin and Barton mentioning this on the right wing radio show circuit.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Gun rights aren’t a biblical concept either. I look forward to Lapin and Barton mentioning this on the right wing radio show circuit.

  • iknklast

    It will only apply to you Moochers.

    Translation: the non-rich.

  • iknklast

    It will only apply to you Moochers.

    Translation: the non-rich.

  • iknklast

    Oops, sorry. Forgot to close my blockquote. The translation was me; the rest was Modus.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    iknklast, you don’t have to say it. The rest is always Modus.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    iknklast, you don’t have to say it. The rest is always Modus.

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com umlud

    Wait… so now we are supposed to follow Deuteronomy? It would be really nice if someone went through all the Old Testament and crossed out all the bits that are “no longer valid now that Jesus died on the cross.”

    I mean, I understand that the shellfish thing in Leviticus is not valid any more. And the mixed fabric thing and the don’t cut your hair or trim your beard things are also not valid anymore. … all for “reasons,” and some people insist that most of the Old Testament isn’t valid any more (except – perhaps – the 10 commandments, the kill witches, and the gays are evil bits). And the people who say that certain bits are valid while other bits aren’t get contradicted by still others who claim that some of those bits that were stated as being invalid actually are valid. (And possibly that the first person is a poopy-head, or words that basically mean the same thing.)

    It’s all really quite confusing.

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com umlud

    Wait… so now we are supposed to follow Deuteronomy? It would be really nice if someone went through all the Old Testament and crossed out all the bits that are “no longer valid now that Jesus died on the cross.”

    I mean, I understand that the shellfish thing in Leviticus is not valid any more. And the mixed fabric thing and the don’t cut your hair or trim your beard things are also not valid anymore. … all for “reasons,” and some people insist that most of the Old Testament isn’t valid any more (except – perhaps – the 10 commandments, the kill witches, and the gays are evil bits). And the people who say that certain bits are valid while other bits aren’t get contradicted by still others who claim that some of those bits that were stated as being invalid actually are valid. (And possibly that the first person is a poopy-head, or words that basically mean the same thing.)

    It’s all really quite confusing.