Poor, Persecuted Christian Mayor Forced to Take Down Christian Flag

The mayor of Glencoe, Alabama is weeping crocodile tears after the FFRF forced the city to remove a Christian flag that flew over their police department. It’s just so unfair, he says, because the FFRF just picks on these small towns who can’t afford to lose a lawsuit.

The small city of Glencoe, Alabama has been flying the Christian flag over the city’s police department since the 1990s, but after a complaint filed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), the flag came down Monday, WBRC reports.

The city’s mayor, Charles Gilchrist, told the station the City Council met to discuss the flag, which flew alongside the American and Alabama state flags on city grounds, and decided the city couldn’t afford a legal battle. The FFRF wrote to the city after receiving a complaint from a resident, the station reports.

Gilchrist told the station the council was warned another city was sued over a similar issue and had to pay out $550,000 – a sum that would break the bank of the town of just over 5,000.

It’s clear he wasn’t happy about it.

“That would just about ruin us,” Gilchrist told WBRC in a phone interview. “That’s what they do, they pick on these smaller towns that can’t defend ourselves.”

Awww. How horrible for you. You know how you could avoid this problem? Don’t violate the Constitution. It’s only going to cost you that much money if you lose and you know damn well that you would lose in court. So the only reasonable thing to do is what you did, take down the damn flag. And quit whining about it.

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  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    What’s going to happen there without the protection of the Jesus flag? I mean, now any Muslin can just come along and plant a mosque there!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    What’s going to happen there without the protection of the Jesus flag? I mean, now any Muslin can just come along and plant a mosque there!

  • D. C. Sessions

    You know how you could avoid this problem? Don’t violate the Constitution.

    All this from people who I’d bet serious money like the phrase “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” — when applied to others.

  • D. C. Sessions

    You know how you could avoid this problem? Don’t violate the Constitution.

    All this from people who I’d bet serious money like the phrase “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” — when applied to others.

  • tuibguy

    Some people have a problem with personal responsibility.

  • tuibguy

    Some people have a problem with personal responsibility.

  • John Pieret

    Gilchrist says he looked, and is still looking at, a variety of options that can legally find a way around the letter, and has consulted with American Center for Law & Justice, a Christian rights legal group headed by Jay Sekulow.

    He stressed he was not happy to take the flag down but for the time being, “I have to look out for the best interests of the city,” he said.

    http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29473746/glencoes-mayor-confirms-christian-flag-removed-from-city-hall

    Hey! I have an idea! Instead of wasting taxpayer money and your time on trying to evade the Constitution and laws of the United States, how about you go about your job being faithful to your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and laws of the land? I know it’s a radical concept …

  • John Pieret

    Gilchrist says he looked, and is still looking at, a variety of options that can legally find a way around the letter, and has consulted with American Center for Law & Justice, a Christian rights legal group headed by Jay Sekulow.

    He stressed he was not happy to take the flag down but for the time being, “I have to look out for the best interests of the city,” he said.

    http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29473746/glencoes-mayor-confirms-christian-flag-removed-from-city-hall

    Hey! I have an idea! Instead of wasting taxpayer money and your time on trying to evade the Constitution and laws of the United States, how about you go about your job being faithful to your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and laws of the land? I know it’s a radical concept …

  • caseloweraz

    One comment on Raw Story said Mayor Gilchrist is a Dominionist. If that’s true (it’s at least extremely likely, given his comments), I wonder why the flag flew over the police station and not city hall.

    Of course, this is now moot. I assume Gilchrist is smart enough to keep the flag off city property entirely.

  • caseloweraz

    One comment on Raw Story said Mayor Gilchrist is a Dominionist. If that’s true (it’s at least extremely likely, given his comments), I wonder why the flag flew over the police station and not city hall.

    Of course, this is now moot. I assume Gilchrist is smart enough to keep the flag off city property entirely.

  • scienceavenger

    “That’s what they do, they pick on these [] that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Yeah, and I’m sure none of your departments would everr act like that.

  • scienceavenger

    “That’s what they do, they pick on these [] that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Yeah, and I’m sure none of your departments would everr act like that.

  • John Pieret

    “That’s what they do, they pick on these smaller towns that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Actually, the FFRF and its secular allies take on states and even the Federal government. You can’t afford to fight because, however reluctantly, you know you are in the wrong.

  • John Pieret

    “That’s what they do, they pick on these smaller towns that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Actually, the FFRF and its secular allies take on states and even the Federal government. You can’t afford to fight because, however reluctantly, you know you are in the wrong.

  • Synfandel

    Taking the flag down is misleading. Some non-Christians might get the mistaken impression that they can expect equal treatment from the police.

  • Synfandel

    Taking the flag down is misleading. Some non-Christians might get the mistaken impression that they can expect equal treatment from the police.

  • Larry

    Of course, this is now moot. I assume Gilchrist is smart enough to keep the flag off city property entirely.

    I would never make that assumption. Sometimes, you have to whack them upside the head a couple or a dozen times. It’s like housebreaking a puppy. Of course, a puppy is usually a good learner.

  • Larry

    Of course, this is now moot. I assume Gilchrist is smart enough to keep the flag off city property entirely.

    I would never make that assumption. Sometimes, you have to whack them upside the head a couple or a dozen times. It’s like housebreaking a puppy. Of course, a puppy is usually a good learner.

  • abb3w

    It’s not that they only pick on small towns. They pick on everyone who breaks the rules. Contrariwise, bigger cities tend to be able to afford to pay for better regular lawyers, who warn them against doing things that will put the municipality on the losing end of a lawsuit.

    Nohow, he’s somewhat correct, in that only a town large enough to be on the losing end of a few lawsuits can afford lawyers good enough to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court for a Greece v Galloway sort of ruling.

    (I’m randomly curious as to what the historical odds are on FRFF lawsuits, but don’t have time for the research today.)

  • abb3w

    It’s not that they only pick on small towns. They pick on everyone who breaks the rules. Contrariwise, bigger cities tend to be able to afford to pay for better regular lawyers, who warn them against doing things that will put the municipality on the losing end of a lawsuit.

    Nohow, he’s somewhat correct, in that only a town large enough to be on the losing end of a few lawsuits can afford lawyers good enough to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court for a Greece v Galloway sort of ruling.

    (I’m randomly curious as to what the historical odds are on FRFF lawsuits, but don’t have time for the research today.)

  • freemage

    Also, larger cities are ~usually~ smarter about not violating the First Amendment so blatantly. It’s the rural, small-town setting where you have someone so provincial that they haven’t bothered to see if there’s any chance this is going to blow up in their faces.

  • freemage

    Also, larger cities are ~usually~ smarter about not violating the First Amendment so blatantly. It’s the rural, small-town setting where you have someone so provincial that they haven’t bothered to see if there’s any chance this is going to blow up in their faces.

  • Michael Heath

    Synfandel writes:

    Taking the flag down is misleading. Some non-Christians might get the mistaken impression that they can expect equal treatment from the police.

    Let’s also not forget the black Christians who’ve been terrorized in Glencoe.

  • Michael Heath

    Synfandel writes:

    Taking the flag down is misleading. Some non-Christians might get the mistaken impression that they can expect equal treatment from the police.

    Let’s also not forget the black Christians who’ve been terrorized in Glencoe.

  • thebookofdave

    I don’t get it. Jesus rules the territory by right of conquest. If his flag is struck, how will serfs and pilgrims know which lord to obey? This is an open invitation for any passing northern aggressor to raise their banner over Glencoe, lay claim to the land, and subjugate the people under the strange laws of foreigners.

  • thebookofdave

    I don’t get it. Jesus rules the territory by right of conquest. If his flag is struck, how will serfs and pilgrims know which lord to obey? This is an open invitation for any passing northern aggressor to raise their banner over Glencoe, lay claim to the land, and subjugate the people under the strange laws of foreigners.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Relax. They took it down. Replaced it with a Confederate flag. Are you people happy now?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Relax. They took it down. Replaced it with a Confederate flag. Are you people happy now?

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    … another city was sued over a similar issue and had to pay out $550,000 …

    I doubt this.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    … another city was sued over a similar issue and had to pay out $550,000 …

    I doubt this.

  • whheydt

    Re: freemage @ #11…

    In a small town, it’s probably moderately difficult to find someone who has standing *and* is willing to take the heat for complaining. The odds are pretty good that the mayor knows a sizable fraction of the local electorate. (Out of 5K people, that probably means about 2500 of voting age and if he has met 500 of them, that’s 20% of the *possible* electorate, and might easily be 30% to 50% of those that actually vote).

    He probably didn’t think *anyone* would object to the flag…and he was likely to be nearly correct. However, it only takes on person with the gumption to take action.

  • whheydt

    Re: freemage @ #11…

    In a small town, it’s probably moderately difficult to find someone who has standing *and* is willing to take the heat for complaining. The odds are pretty good that the mayor knows a sizable fraction of the local electorate. (Out of 5K people, that probably means about 2500 of voting age and if he has met 500 of them, that’s 20% of the *possible* electorate, and might easily be 30% to 50% of those that actually vote).

    He probably didn’t think *anyone* would object to the flag…and he was likely to be nearly correct. However, it only takes on person with the gumption to take action.

  • Lady Mondegreen

    What the hell is ” the Christian flag”?

    *googles*

    Oh.

    I had no idea such a thing existed. I half expected it would have that annoying Jesus fish on it.

  • Lady Mondegreen

    What the hell is ” the Christian flag”?

    *googles*

    Oh.

    I had no idea such a thing existed. I half expected it would have that annoying Jesus fish on it.

  • http://lykex.livejournal.com LykeX

    “That would just about ruin us,” Gilchrist told WBRC in a phone interview. “That’s what they do, they pick on these smaller towns that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Doesn’t this buffoon understand that the whole point of the law is to enforce consequences that people can’t just shrug off? All he’s doing is pointing out that the law is working exactly as intended.

    His objection is about as valid as a bank robber pointing out that going to jail would prevent him from pursuing his chosen line of work. Yes, that’s the point, you idiot!

  • http://lykex.livejournal.com LykeX

    “That would just about ruin us,” Gilchrist told WBRC in a phone interview. “That’s what they do, they pick on these smaller towns that can’t defend ourselves.”

    Doesn’t this buffoon understand that the whole point of the law is to enforce consequences that people can’t just shrug off? All he’s doing is pointing out that the law is working exactly as intended.

    His objection is about as valid as a bank robber pointing out that going to jail would prevent him from pursuing his chosen line of work. Yes, that’s the point, you idiot!

  • captain_spleen

    I’m surprised these idiots never come up with the idea to sell, at market rate, a uselessly tiny plot of town land to a private organization, which then erects whatever holiday displays, religious displays, flags, etc on that tiny plot of land. Just sell a weird-shaped blob of turf on the edge of the town green, that sort of thing.

    With a ridiculously sized or shaped bit of land it would probably be safe to announce the sale publicly and take bids. The size and shape of the plot, the lack of utilities, and perhaps strict zoning, would limit bids, dissuade anyone from trying to do something like erect a cell tower, and would keep the price down. Taking bids would help it look legit.

    But nooooo. They have to use public property, because otherwise they wouldn’t really be marking the town as their territory.