OK Gov. Mary Fallin is Kind of a Halfwit

Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has a long history of embarrassing herself and her state and now she’s adding to that legacy by doing everything she can not to comply with an order from the state supreme court to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state capitol. And she clearly needs a class in remedial civics.

Fallin says the monument will remain at the Capitol while appeals and potential changes to the Constitution are considered.

“I think everybody was a little shocked by the Supreme Court’s decision. I’m disappointed in the Supreme Court’s decision. I respect our Supreme Court justices, they have a job to do, I have a job to do. And I respect them for having a tough job to do, but I don’t agree with them on this particular ruling,” Fallin said. “The call they made was not the right call. So one of the things that I’ve asked is that the, and the attorney general’s doing this, he asked the Supreme Court to review their decision. That doesn’t mean they’re going to change their mind but I think they need to review their decision. And I think it’s also important that we have time for our legislators, many of whom have expressed this opinion, that they would like to send an amendment to our Constitution to fix any ambiguity and what the article in the Constitution they referred to in their ruling to overturn the Ten Commandments at the state Capitol grounds.”

No, that isn’t how it works. Yes, the people could vote on a referendum to change the state constitution, but that doesn’t mean this court ruling is suspended while they attempt to do so, a process that will take at least a year or two. The order is absolutely valid and enforceable right now. And if she continues to refuse to do so, the court could hold her in contempt. I hope they do.

Gov. Fallin said she believes the final decision on the monument’s fate should rest with the people.

“You know, there are three branches of our government. You have the Supreme Court, the legislative branch and the people, the people and their ability to vote. So I’m hoping that we can address this issue in the legislative session and let the people of Oklahoma decide,” she said.

Uh, no. The three branches of government are the judicial, legislative and executive. That’s you for crying out loud and you don’t even know it. Can we please stop electing halfwitted dolts to office?

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  • ‘smee

    in all fairness, she DOES live in Oklahoma, so she doesn’t get a lot of opportunity to exercise her critical faculties… and as we all know, if you don’t use it, you lose it!

  • ‘smee

    in all fairness, she DOES live in Oklahoma, so she doesn’t get a lot of opportunity to exercise her critical faculties… and as we all know, if you don’t use it, you lose it!

  • wreck

    Halfwit? More like nanowit.

  • wreck

    Halfwit? More like nanowit.

  • eric

    That last bit sounds like a parody of a beauty pageant speech.

  • eric

    That last bit sounds like a parody of a beauty pageant speech.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    “Gov. Fallin said she believes the final decision on the monument’s fate should rest with the people.”

    I agree. It should rest with the people with the sledgehammers and chisels.

  • whheydt

    Appeal? Appeal to who? This was decided based on the state constitution. As I understand it (IANAL), SCOTUS doesn’t take cases based on state constitutions where there is no Federal constitutional issue. so this decision is final. There is no appeal.

    Sure…they can change the state constitution, but then someone is bound to challenge the presence of monument on the basis of the Federal constitution, specifically the Establishment Clause. Oklahoma is toast either way. These yahoos should quite before they get slapped down any harder.

  • Mobius

    Sadly, many of my fellow Oklahomans will vote for the village idiot as long as he/she is a Republican.

  • dingojack

    Mobius – not ‘will vote’, but rather ‘have voted’.

    :) Dingo

  • dingojack

    Mobius – not ‘will vote’, but rather ‘have voted’.

    :) Dingo

  • http://angrybychoice.fieldofscience.com Lorax

    At least she didn’t say “the supreme court, the legislative, and …..OOPS”

  • http://angrybychoice.fieldofscience.com Lorax

    At least she didn’t say “the supreme court, the legislative, and …..OOPS”

  • moarscienceplz

    Uh, no. The three branches of government are the judicial, legislative and executive. That’s you for crying out loud and you don’t even know it.

    Oh, but she is “the people”. Didn’t you know that, Ed? When she was elected, she was vested with all the power of the people, so she cannot be thwarted. Obey the elected monarch, puny Supreme Court justices, or feel her mighty wrath!

  • moarscienceplz

    Uh, no. The three branches of government are the judicial, legislative and executive. That’s you for crying out loud and you don’t even know it.

    Oh, but she is “the people”. Didn’t you know that, Ed? When she was elected, she was vested with all the power of the people, so she cannot be thwarted. Obey the elected monarch, puny Supreme Court justices, or feel her mighty wrath!

  • D. C. Sessions

    Can we please stop electing halfwitted dolts to office?

    Ed, it’s supposed to be a representative democracy. And Oklahoma.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Can we please stop electing halfwitted dolts to office?

    Ed, it’s supposed to be a representative democracy. And Oklahoma.

  • http://healthvsmedicine.blogspot.com cervantes

    This sounds like a job for the Satanic Temple. Are they on it?

  • http://healthvsmedicine.blogspot.com cervantes

    This sounds like a job for the Satanic Temple. Are they on it?

  • rory

    So, allow me to ask a stupid question: let’s say they go through the steps necessary and amend the state constitution in such a way that permits this clearly religious monument on government property. Is that the end of the story, or is there some recourse for people who understand and respect the separation of church and state?

  • eric

    @12: then, as @5 says, protestors could presumably challenge it in federal court on 1st amendment grounds.

  • eric

    @12: then, as @5 says, protestors could presumably challenge it in federal court on 1st amendment grounds.

  • throwaway, butcher of tongues, mauler of metaphor

    Where have all the little dookies been lately? Did Ed finally euthanize the rabid shit?

  • throwaway, butcher of tongues, mauler of metaphor

    Where have all the little dookies been lately? Did Ed finally euthanize the rabid shit?

  • abb3w

    @5ish, whheydt

    Appeal? Appeal to who? This was decided based on the state constitution. As I understand it (IANAL), SCOTUS doesn’t take cases based on state constitutions where there is no Federal constitutional issue. so this decision is final. There is no appeal.

    There are some silly arguments why the state-level Blaine Amendments may not be constitutional, which may give basis for federal appeal. Contrariwise, I’m pretty sure any federal Jjudge would give a jaundiced eye to a state trying to argue that a century-old part of its own Constitution violated the federal one, so there seems a fat chance in hell of Federal Appeal. Nohow, all decisions of the legal arena — even those otherwise final therein — may be appealed in the political arena; and all those of the political arena may be appealed via continuation from politics to other means. (Matters successfully appealed by the last means may be considered held via ius hox dixi for the duration of the success.)

  • abb3w

    @5ish, whheydt

    Appeal? Appeal to who? This was decided based on the state constitution. As I understand it (IANAL), SCOTUS doesn’t take cases based on state constitutions where there is no Federal constitutional issue. so this decision is final. There is no appeal.

    There are some silly arguments why the state-level Blaine Amendments may not be constitutional, which may give basis for federal appeal. Contrariwise, I’m pretty sure any federal Jjudge would give a jaundiced eye to a state trying to argue that a century-old part of its own Constitution violated the federal one, so there seems a fat chance in hell of Federal Appeal. Nohow, all decisions of the legal arena — even those otherwise final therein — may be appealed in the political arena; and all those of the political arena may be appealed via continuation from politics to other means. (Matters successfully appealed by the last means may be considered held via ius hox dixi for the duration of the success.)

  • John Pieret

    whheydt @ 5:

    Appeal to who?

    To the state supreme court. What she’s talking about is the AG has made a motion to the supreme court for reconsideration of its previous decision.

    cervantes @ 11:

    This sounds like a job for the Satanic Temple. Are they on it?

    They have their statue all ready and its visit to Oklahoma wa put on hold because of the court decision. But Baphomet may be a busy fellow. Arkansas just passed a law, signed by the governor, to put a “historical” Ten Commandments monument on its state capitol grounds.

    rory @ 12:

    is there some recourse for people who understand and respect the separation of church and state?

    There is, indeed. The only way they can get passed the Establishment Clause is to call it a “historical” monument and establish a limited public forum for historical monuments to be erected by anyone. That’s where the Satanic Temple and its Baphomet statute (a Hindu group has also proposed a statue of Lord Hanuman) come in. The state will tie itself in knots trying to come up with secular reasons not to allow those and will fail and then the Federal case will be filed.

  • John Pieret

    whheydt @ 5:

    Appeal to who?

    To the state supreme court. What she’s talking about is the AG has made a motion to the supreme court for reconsideration of its previous decision.

    cervantes @ 11:

    This sounds like a job for the Satanic Temple. Are they on it?

    They have their statue all ready and its visit to Oklahoma wa put on hold because of the court decision. But Baphomet may be a busy fellow. Arkansas just passed a law, signed by the governor, to put a “historical” Ten Commandments monument on its state capitol grounds.

    rory @ 12:

    is there some recourse for people who understand and respect the separation of church and state?

    There is, indeed. The only way they can get passed the Establishment Clause is to call it a “historical” monument and establish a limited public forum for historical monuments to be erected by anyone. That’s where the Satanic Temple and its Baphomet statute (a Hindu group has also proposed a statue of Lord Hanuman) come in. The state will tie itself in knots trying to come up with secular reasons not to allow those and will fail and then the Federal case will be filed.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    You misplaced the indefinite article. The proper headline would be:

    OK Gov. Mary Fallin is a Kind of Halfwit

  • chris69

    I think it is way to generous to call her a halfwit, more like a planckwit.

  • chris69

    I think it is way to generous to call her a halfwit, more like a planckwit.

  • Steve Morrison

    OT: Judge Snow declined to recuse himself in the Arpaio case.

  • Steve Morrison

    OT: Judge Snow declined to recuse himself in the Arpaio case.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Can we please stop electing halfwitted dolts to office?

    I, too, find myself at times longing for the good old days when halfwitted dolts inherited their positions.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Can we please stop electing halfwitted dolts to office?

    I, too, find myself at times longing for the good old days when halfwitted dolts inherited their positions.

  • Childermass

    I have a secret to tell you. Mary Fallin is one of the more reasonable of the Republicans in high political office in Oklahoma’s state government.

    Be scared. Be very scared.

  • Childermass

    I have a secret to tell you. Mary Fallin is one of the more reasonable of the Republicans in high political office in Oklahoma’s state government.

    Be scared. Be very scared.

  • Mobius

    Nonsense. Mary Fallin is not a halfwit. She would have to think twice to qualify as a halfwit.

  • Dark Jaguar

    smee, what do you know? You work for a pirate fer crissakes!

    In all seriousness, I’m from the Oklahoma and it’s not exactly a place known for having state pride, what with being founded on screwing over the natives AGAIN and all. That said, there’s no reason to take pot shots at an entire state for the idiocy of it’s governor. I didn’t vote for her, if that’s any consolation.

  • Dark Jaguar

    smee, what do you know? You work for a pirate fer crissakes!

    In all seriousness, I’m from the Oklahoma and it’s not exactly a place known for having state pride, what with being founded on screwing over the natives AGAIN and all. That said, there’s no reason to take pot shots at an entire state for the idiocy of it’s governor. I didn’t vote for her, if that’s any consolation.