Staver Owes Godwin Some Royalties or Something

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman, really should be paying Godwin some royalties for how often he compares same-sex marriage to Nazism. His latest is to claim that complying with the Supreme Court ruling on the matter is just like turning Jews over to the Nazis.

Since the ruling came down, just about every episode of his “Faith and Freedom” radio program has been dedicated to hammering home this message and insisting that the decision is illegitimate and cannot be obeyed, with Staver once again declaring today that accepting the ruling is like handing a Jew over to the Nazis.

“There is a decision that is now here,” Staver warned. “It may knock on the door at different times or it may knock on the door of your friend, or your church, or your business, but it will come to your door and you’re going to make a decision. It’s like the Nazis coming to someone who is seeking out a Jew; you’re hoping that they’re not going to come but one day that knock on the door comes. And when it comes, here’s the choice: Will I obey God and resist this evil opinion or will I ultimately continue in my complicit silence and just simply go along to get along?”

What exactly are the analogous parts here, Mat? Who is going to show up at your door and what are they going to demand that you do? Are the Obama/Soros stormtroopers going to show up and force you to get gay married? Who are you going to be hiding, exactly? Congratulations, you’ve come up with yet another analogy in which there isn’t a single element of the two things you’re comparing that is remotely related to one another. It’s a good thing your audience is ignorant and credulous and will eat up the bullshit you shovel out with a spoon.

“If the government continues down this path,” he said, “then America will not stand. It’s just pure and simple. You can’t just simply continue down this path of rebellion against God and assume that you’re going to stand forever. You will not … This is either the beginning of revival and renewal and perhaps revolution or its the end of this country and the end of Western Civilization. It’s as pure and simple as that.”

Wait, you think someone believes that this country will “stand forever”? Who thinks that, exactly? Anyone who thinks that would have to be so ignorant of history that they must have learned it in Texas public schools. No country lasts forever. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with any gods.

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  • John Pieret

    what are they going to demand that you do?

    Why, he’ll be cruelly forced to bake a cake and accept icky gay money to boot!

  • John Pieret

    what are they going to demand that you do?

    Why, he’ll be cruelly forced to bake a cake and accept icky gay money to boot!

  • alanb

    One situation in which the authorities did knock on the doors of anti-gay Christians was the case of Miller v. Jenkins in which the Good Christians conspired to kidnap the child of an “ex-lesbian” so that the child would not have to suffer through visitations with the ex-lesbian’s ex-partner. Surely, a child having to spend several hours a week with an icky lesbian is the same as turning Jews over to Nazis.

  • alanb

    One situation in which the authorities did knock on the doors of anti-gay Christians was the case of Miller v. Jenkins in which the Good Christians conspired to kidnap the child of an “ex-lesbian” so that the child would not have to suffer through visitations with the ex-lesbian’s ex-partner. Surely, a child having to spend several hours a week with an icky lesbian is the same as turning Jews over to Nazis.

  • wreck

    I believe Staver and his ilk would turn over a Jew to a Nazi in a heartbeat.

    “What exactly are the analogous parts here, Mat? Who is going to show up at your door and what are they going to demand that you do? Are the Obama/Soros stormtroopers going to show up and force you to get gay married?”

    The analogous part is: Obama = Hitler. Duh!!

  • wreck

    I believe Staver and his ilk would turn over a Jew to a Nazi in a heartbeat.

    “What exactly are the analogous parts here, Mat? Who is going to show up at your door and what are they going to demand that you do? Are the Obama/Soros stormtroopers going to show up and force you to get gay married?”

    The analogous part is: Obama = Hitler. Duh!!

  • http://Www.metalmischief.com YOB – Ye Olde Blacksmith (Social Justice Jaegerkin)

    OT – I’ve missed several days of threads and am trying to catch up. Has DukeDog been banned? I haven’t seen his bile lately. I don’t miss it, im just curious.

  • http://Www.metalmischief.com YOB – Ye Olde Blacksmith (Social Justice Jaegerkin)

    OT – I’ve missed several days of threads and am trying to catch up. Has DukeDog been banned? I haven’t seen his bile lately. I don’t miss it, im just curious.

  • dingojack

    …This is either the beginning of revival and renewal and perhaps revolution or its the end of this country and the end of Western Civilization. It’s as pure and simple as that.”

    Oooh, a revolution, how exciting! Perhaps you could call it ‘The American Revolution of the Third Age’ and bus in a couple of dozen aged dementia suffers into Washington! I’ll be all of a piece with the right’s earlier efforts.

    The end of Western Civilisation itself! Oh Noes! What a catastrophe. It just too bad England, Wales, The Netherlands, Spain, Denmark and all the rest sank into the sea due to god’s displeasure or something! Now only Team America stands between the Puritan Ideal and the frighteningly fabulous future!! OH NOES!!!

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    Dingo

  • dingojack

    …This is either the beginning of revival and renewal and perhaps revolution or its the end of this country and the end of Western Civilization. It’s as pure and simple as that.”

    Oooh, a revolution, how exciting! Perhaps you could call it ‘The American Revolution of the Third Age’ and bus in a couple of dozen aged dementia suffers into Washington! I’ll be all of a piece with the right’s earlier efforts.

    The end of Western Civilisation itself! Oh Noes! What a catastrophe. It just too bad England, Wales, The Netherlands, Spain, Denmark and all the rest sank into the sea due to god’s displeasure or something! Now only Team America stands between the Puritan Ideal and the frighteningly fabulous future!! OH NOES!!!

    @@

    Dingo

  • Jared James

    Bonhoeffer Live-Action Roleplaying games suffer from a severe lack of believability. When these dim bulbs wrap themselves in the flag and carry a cross, they usually only go so far as to put a pin in their lapel and wear a little tiny cross on a gold necklace.

    There’s also the lack of any identifiable moral reasoning on their part, but that’s for the GM to penalize.

  • Jared James

    Bonhoeffer Live-Action Roleplaying games suffer from a severe lack of believability. When these dim bulbs wrap themselves in the flag and carry a cross, they usually only go so far as to put a pin in their lapel and wear a little tiny cross on a gold necklace.

    There’s also the lack of any identifiable moral reasoning on their part, but that’s for the GM to penalize.

  • dingojack

    Italic fail!

    (Obviously only the quote from Staver should be read as being in yellow Comic Sans*).

    Nope Lil Dookie is probably locked back in his padded cell under his mum’s stairs…

    :) Dingo

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    * but, due to restricts in form, in this case Italics

  • dingojack

    Italic fail!

    (Obviously only the quote from Staver should be read as being in yellow Comic Sans*).

    Nope Lil Dookie is probably locked back in his padded cell under his mum’s stairs…

    :) Dingo

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    * but, due to restricts in form, in this case Italics

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    It makes perfect sense. You can’t deny the Nazi and Homo commonalities. For a so-called “gay” so-called “marriage” why do you think the two grooms need “something old, something new, something borrowed, something Jew”?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    It makes perfect sense. You can’t deny the Nazi and Homo commonalities. For a so-called “gay” so-called “marriage” why do you think the two grooms need “something old, something new, something borrowed, something Jew”?

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    On the topic of Godwin, a California appeals court ruling cited Godwin’s Law. Apparently one of the attorneys tried to paint the litigant on the other side as a Nazi.

    Here’s Eugene Volokh on the ruling.

    Also a good example of what can happen when you finally piss the judge off. When the opinion starts with the phrase “This is a case of egregious attorney misconduct…”, the rest isn’t going to be pleasant.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    On the topic of Godwin, a California appeals court ruling cited Godwin’s Law. Apparently one of the attorneys tried to paint the litigant on the other side as a Nazi.

    Here’s Eugene Volokh on the ruling.

    Also a good example of what can happen when you finally piss the judge off. When the opinion starts with the phrase “This is a case of egregious attorney misconduct…”, the rest isn’t going to be pleasant.

  • eric

    Who is going to show up at your door

    The Department of Homeland Spectacular and the Fabulous Bureau of Investigation.

  • eric

    Who is going to show up at your door

    The Department of Homeland Spectacular and the Fabulous Bureau of Investigation.

  • eric

    Oh, I forgot: also the Glitter Accountability Office.

  • eric

    Oh, I forgot: also the Glitter Accountability Office.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    eric, and the Navy.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    eric, and the Navy.

  • D. C. Sessions

    LAre the Obama/Soros stormtroopers going to show up and force you to get gay married?

    L

    Worse, Ed — they’re going to herd everyone into the … glitter showers!

  • D. C. Sessions

    LAre the Obama/Soros stormtroopers going to show up and force you to get gay married?

    L

    Worse, Ed — they’re going to herd everyone into the … glitter showers!

  • cptdoom

    @eric – in honor of our lesbian sisters, the Department of Homeland Spectacular has been renamed the Department of Home Depot Savings.

    As for Staver’s concerns, you guys really shouldn’t minimize them. Do you realize he’ll be forced to treat gays and lesbians like they’re real people and as good as Christians? Oh the humanity.

  • cptdoom

    @eric – in honor of our lesbian sisters, the Department of Homeland Spectacular has been renamed the Department of Home Depot Savings.

    As for Staver’s concerns, you guys really shouldn’t minimize them. Do you realize he’ll be forced to treat gays and lesbians like they’re real people and as good as Christians? Oh the humanity.

  • eric

    @12: that’s merely one brawny, muscular arm of the Department Of Depilation.

  • eric

    @12: that’s merely one brawny, muscular arm of the Department Of Depilation.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    You can’t just simply continue down this path of rebellion against God and assume that you’re going to stand forever.

    So when America collapses one day before forever you will know it’s because of the gays and their rebellion against god.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    You can’t just simply continue down this path of rebellion against God and assume that you’re going to stand forever.

    So when America collapses one day before forever you will know it’s because of the gays and their rebellion against god.