Wingnut: Obama Clearly Doesn’t Believe in Noah’s Ark

Dan Delzell, the pastor of Wellspring Lutheran Church in Papillion, Nebraska, is highly upset with President Obama right now because the White House was lit up in rainbow colors after the Supreme Court overturned state laws banning same-sex marriage. His argument is amusing:

It’s been a long time since God created the first rainbow. Some 4,300 years. And so it’s easy to see why many people ignore what happened in the days of Noah. How ironic that the recent White House rainbow was used to celebrate sin rather than to remind people about God’s judgment against sin and His love for sinners.

The biblical timeline reveals the point in history when God brought the Great Flood upon the Earth. It was an act of divine judgment in response to man’s wickedness. And the rainbow God created after the flood was to assure man that the Lord would never again flood the Earth as he did in the days of Noah.

And so it is ironic, and yes even tragic, that President Obama would choose to light the White House with a rainbow after the recent Supreme Court decision. It was his loud and proud way of celebrating the sin of same-sex marriage. Obviously, the president doesn’t seem to believe that the Old Testament stories of Noah’s Ark and Sodom and Gomorrah were actual events in history.

I certainly hope he doesn’t believe those were actual events in history because, of course, they weren’t. No reasonable person could possibly believe the Noah’s Ark global flood story, especially if they know even a modest amount about geology.

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  • eric

    Its fun to see the biblical literalists struggling to use the Genesis rainbow to promote a “God’s gonna get you” message.

  • eric

    Its fun to see the biblical literalists struggling to use the Genesis rainbow to promote a “God’s gonna get you” message.

  • John Pieret

    Obviously, the president doesn’t seem to believe that the Old Testament stories of Noah’s Ark and Sodom and Gomorrah were actual events in history.

    Whew!!!

    I kinda wonder whether Pastor Delzell thinks God magically creates every rainbow or whether he allows that they are the result of light being refracted through raindrops? If the latter, God only created light and raindrops after the Flud?

  • John Pieret

    Obviously, the president doesn’t seem to believe that the Old Testament stories of Noah’s Ark and Sodom and Gomorrah were actual events in history.

    Whew!!!

    I kinda wonder whether Pastor Delzell thinks God magically creates every rainbow or whether he allows that they are the result of light being refracted through raindrops? If the latter, God only created light and raindrops after the Flud?

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    “FLUD” — is that the Lord’s version of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt? It certainly seems to be how He keeps the rubes in line.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    “FLUD” — is that the Lord’s version of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt? It certainly seems to be how He keeps the rubes in line.

  • wreck

    How did a four year old get to be a pastor?

  • wreck

    How did a four year old get to be a pastor?

  • StevoR

    Well of course not! For once there’s no need to ask for a citation as this should be true of anyone halfway intelligent over the age of ten .. maybe even eight.

    Also, holy shit, a wingnut just made a true statement about Obama!

  • StevoR

    Well of course not! For once there’s no need to ask for a citation as this should be true of anyone halfway intelligent over the age of ten .. maybe even eight.

    Also, holy shit, a wingnut just made a true statement about Obama!

  • otrame

    {sigh}

    Once more:

    Ezekiel 16:49:

    Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

  • otrame

    {sigh}

    Once more:

    Ezekiel 16:49:

    Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

  • marcus

    otrame @ 6 So it would be okay for me to say*: (According to the biblical description of what sodomy actually is…)

    Sodomites go to Hell! (Metaphorically speaking.)

    *Not that I ever would.

  • marcus

    otrame @ 6 So it would be okay for me to say*: (According to the biblical description of what sodomy actually is…)

    Sodomites go to Hell! (Metaphorically speaking.)

    *Not that I ever would.

  • StevoR

    @2. John Pieret : Rainbows are natural spectroscopes. I wonder how creation scientists think light worked beforehand – and whya flood of water would change something such different and (ahem) fundamental property of physics? They, er.. they do have an explanation for this beyond just “magic” don’t they?

    Also what spectral classes would the pre-flud stars have had hand how could advanced pre-Fludites or time travellers to this Biblical past have told them apart or worked out their chemical and astrophyiscal properties without spectra?

  • StevoR

    @2. John Pieret : Rainbows are natural spectroscopes. I wonder how creation scientists think light worked beforehand – and whya flood of water would change something such different and (ahem) fundamental property of physics? They, er.. they do have an explanation for this beyond just “magic” don’t they?

    Also what spectral classes would the pre-flud stars have had hand how could advanced pre-Fludites or time travellers to this Biblical past have told them apart or worked out their chemical and astrophyiscal properties without spectra?

  • busterggi

    ” No reasonable person ”

    Well there’s your problem.

  • busterggi

    ” No reasonable person ”

    Well there’s your problem.

  • StevoR

    Where did my space between ‘why’ and ‘a’ there go?

    @ 7. Marcus : Hell is a lunar crater. Those Xn “sodomites” you speak of are welcome to go there esp. without spacesuits! (Figuratively speaking.)

  • StevoR

    Where did my space between ‘why’ and ‘a’ there go?

    @ 7. Marcus : Hell is a lunar crater. Those Xn “sodomites” you speak of are welcome to go there esp. without spacesuits! (Figuratively speaking.)

  • Pierce R. Butler

    No reasonable person could possibly believe the Noah’s Ark global flood story, especially if they know even a modest amount about geology.

    Or about history.

    Or ecology.

    Or mythology.

    Or …

  • Pierce R. Butler

    No reasonable person could possibly believe the Noah’s Ark global flood story, especially if they know even a modest amount about geology.

    Or about history.

    Or ecology.

    Or mythology.

    Or …

  • StevoR

    See :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_(crater)

    Apparently also Phobos and Diemos – both tiny martian moons are parts of hell as well because, um, computer games.

  • StevoR

    See :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_(crater)

    Apparently also Phobos and Diemos – both tiny martian moons are parts of hell as well because, um, computer games.

  • dingojack

    My dear Pastor Delzell –

    RE: the ‘ownership’ of rainbows. There’s a much, much earlier claim, pre-dating yours by at least 15 millennia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent

    Cease and desist any claims on rainbows or legal action may be the result.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    My dear Pastor Delzell –

    RE: the ‘ownership’ of rainbows. There’s a much, much earlier claim, pre-dating yours by at least 15 millennia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent

    Cease and desist any claims on rainbows or legal action may be the result.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Psst Christians — Gilagamesh called — he wants the royalties owed to him…

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Psst Christians — Gilagamesh called — he wants the royalties owed to him…

    Dingo

  • llewelly

    Indeed, Obama does not believe in any literal interpretation of the bible.

    Obama, in his big book, pg 212: “What could I say? That a literal reading of the Bible was folly?”

    Now – he’s arguing against explicitly calling a literal reading of the Bible “folly”, but purely as a matter of pragmatic rhetorical strategy, as he explains later in the same chapter.

    Obama more or less believes the bible needs to be interpreted and cherry picked according to the needs of modern life – his notion of religion allows for evolving interpretations.

    “Finally, any reconciliation between faith and democratic pluralism requires some sense of proportion. This is not entirely foreign to religious doctrine; even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, based on a sense that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to the Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life. The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control …”

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Dv059W_kTG4C&pg=PA220

  • llewelly

    Indeed, Obama does not believe in any literal interpretation of the bible.

    Obama, in his big book, pg 212: “What could I say? That a literal reading of the Bible was folly?”

    Now – he’s arguing against explicitly calling a literal reading of the Bible “folly”, but purely as a matter of pragmatic rhetorical strategy, as he explains later in the same chapter.

    Obama more or less believes the bible needs to be interpreted and cherry picked according to the needs of modern life – his notion of religion allows for evolving interpretations.

    “Finally, any reconciliation between faith and democratic pluralism requires some sense of proportion. This is not entirely foreign to religious doctrine; even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, based on a sense that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to the Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life. The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control …”

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Dv059W_kTG4C&pg=PA220

  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    God’s judgment against sin and His love for sinners.

    This is part of what’s so fucked up about Christianity (and religion in general). If a parent was drowning their child while crying out “I love you! But I hate that you disobeyed me so now you must die!” they would rightfully be condemned and charged with murder. But have a monstrous deity do that to thousands of victims and people fall to their knees in joy praising it.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    God’s judgment against sin and His love for sinners.

    This is part of what’s so fucked up about Christianity (and religion in general). If a parent was drowning their child while crying out “I love you! But I hate that you disobeyed me so now you must die!” they would rightfully be condemned and charged with murder. But have a monstrous deity do that to thousands of victims and people fall to their knees in joy praising it.

  • howardhershey

    “His love for sinners” seems to be “Drown them. Drown them all. Even the babies. And then send them into eternal torment. Love, God.”

  • howardhershey

    “His love for sinners” seems to be “Drown them. Drown them all. Even the babies. And then send them into eternal torment. Love, God.”

  • xuuths

    Sorry, dude, but reality disagrees with your bibble. There were people all over the earth 4,300 years ago, and NONE of them record a worldwide flood that killed everyone off except 8 people in Mesopotamia. Oh, some have a myth about a flood, along with their creation myths, but none of their scientists (and if you’re recording astronomical events, that’s science) seemed to have been aware they had drowned.

    So sad that they think one must have utter ‘faith’ in something that is demonstrably false.

  • xuuths

    Sorry, dude, but reality disagrees with your bibble. There were people all over the earth 4,300 years ago, and NONE of them record a worldwide flood that killed everyone off except 8 people in Mesopotamia. Oh, some have a myth about a flood, along with their creation myths, but none of their scientists (and if you’re recording astronomical events, that’s science) seemed to have been aware they had drowned.

    So sad that they think one must have utter ‘faith’ in something that is demonstrably false.

  • lofgren

    Believing ina global flood is one thing. Understanding why that probably didn’t happen requires at least a high school level understanding of geology. (The evidence from other disciplines is even more complex). But the fundamental ignorance of fucking rainbows displayed here should be offensive to 2nd graders, if not kindergartners or younger. My 4-year-old niece can tell you why a rainbow happens and even illustrate the phenomenon with a prism. My 2-year-old knows that sunlight can be broken up into colors. To hear an adult express such a sentiment is embarrassing to everyone around him. It’s like hearing a guy whose wife has given birth to three kids from three different ethnic groups explain how the stork brings babies. All of the other grown-ups are squirming in their seats and exchanging glances that say, “I mean, should we tell him?”

  • lofgren

    Believing ina global flood is one thing. Understanding why that probably didn’t happen requires at least a high school level understanding of geology. (The evidence from other disciplines is even more complex). But the fundamental ignorance of fucking rainbows displayed here should be offensive to 2nd graders, if not kindergartners or younger. My 4-year-old niece can tell you why a rainbow happens and even illustrate the phenomenon with a prism. My 2-year-old knows that sunlight can be broken up into colors. To hear an adult express such a sentiment is embarrassing to everyone around him. It’s like hearing a guy whose wife has given birth to three kids from three different ethnic groups explain how the stork brings babies. All of the other grown-ups are squirming in their seats and exchanging glances that say, “I mean, should we tell him?”

  • Canadian Yankee

    I kinda wonder whether Pastor Delzell thinks God magically creates every rainbow or whether he allows that they are the result of light being refracted through raindrops? If the latter, God only created light and raindrops after the Flud?

    I actually went looking for the standard creationist “wisdom” on this subject, figuring that the answer would be some change to the physics of water, but no…they really do argue that rainfall itself did not exist before the Deluge. You see, before the flood, most earthly water was supposedly underground – there’s some reference to “fountains of the great deep” releasing water at the beginning of the flood. The pre-flood plants and animals survived on water that seeped up out of the ground, but otherwise there were no clouds, rain, or even wind.

    Yes, it’s crazy, but there you go.

  • Canadian Yankee

    I kinda wonder whether Pastor Delzell thinks God magically creates every rainbow or whether he allows that they are the result of light being refracted through raindrops? If the latter, God only created light and raindrops after the Flud?

    I actually went looking for the standard creationist “wisdom” on this subject, figuring that the answer would be some change to the physics of water, but no…they really do argue that rainfall itself did not exist before the Deluge. You see, before the flood, most earthly water was supposedly underground – there’s some reference to “fountains of the great deep” releasing water at the beginning of the flood. The pre-flood plants and animals survived on water that seeped up out of the ground, but otherwise there were no clouds, rain, or even wind.

    Yes, it’s crazy, but there you go.

  • Knight in Sour Armor

    For those that know such things, is there even enough water on the planet to go full-on Waterworld, assuming liquefied snow packs and ice caps?

  • Knight in Sour Armor

    For those that know such things, is there even enough water on the planet to go full-on Waterworld, assuming liquefied snow packs and ice caps?

  • ‘smee

    The biggest challenge to Noah isn’t geology, it’s optics…. SO before the flood, we are supposed to believe that were were no rainbows… which means that nominally white light (from the sun) wouldn’t split prismatically… so what color was the sky? (it’s blue for the same reason a rainbow is a spread of color) what color was a sunset? (it’s red for the same reason, again)

    And what happened with water? did it suddenly get a refractive index after the flood? so before Noah, water and air were effectively the same visually (think of a clear nylon rod in water. It’s invsible! google it!). That would be so cool and memorable that suddenly this WATER stuff becomes easy to see! So why have we no history of this totally weird mindfuck! (suddenly the water bends stuff!!! Suddenly we can tell where it is!)

    Instead all we get is a fucking rainbow!

  • ‘smee

    The biggest challenge to Noah isn’t geology, it’s optics…. SO before the flood, we are supposed to believe that were were no rainbows… which means that nominally white light (from the sun) wouldn’t split prismatically… so what color was the sky? (it’s blue for the same reason a rainbow is a spread of color) what color was a sunset? (it’s red for the same reason, again)

    And what happened with water? did it suddenly get a refractive index after the flood? so before Noah, water and air were effectively the same visually (think of a clear nylon rod in water. It’s invsible! google it!). That would be so cool and memorable that suddenly this WATER stuff becomes easy to see! So why have we no history of this totally weird mindfuck! (suddenly the water bends stuff!!! Suddenly we can tell where it is!)

    Instead all we get is a fucking rainbow!

  • ‘smee

    @21, apparently we are losing landmass faster than we are creating it…. so we COULD be in full on waterworld in about 2 BILLION years. SO don’t wait up.

  • ‘smee

    @21, apparently we are losing landmass faster than we are creating it…. so we COULD be in full on waterworld in about 2 BILLION years. SO don’t wait up.

  • freehand

    John Pieret says: Rainbows are natural spectroscopes. I wonder how creation scientists think light worked beforehand – and whya flood of water would change something such different and (ahem) fundamental property of physics? They, er.. they do have an explanation for this beyond just “magic” don’t they?

    .

    Nope, it’s magic all the way down. I have had a few of occasions on the net where I would bring this up, and ask the True Believer about it. The reply always is “sure, God did what he had to do to get the job done”. But wouldn’t that mean that the lenses of our eyes wouldn’t work right? And where did rivers come from if it didn’t rain until the flood? Why didn’t the water evaporate into clouds, then condense and rain? How could we keep cool if evaporation and condensation didn’t happen? Miracles, all miracles…

    .

    My next post asks why their God created more major miracles in covering up the effects of the Flood than he did in the Flood itself. What’s the point in doing this if he makes the world look as though it hadn’t happened? They always pull the plug before the conversation gets interesting :(

  • freehand

    John Pieret says: Rainbows are natural spectroscopes. I wonder how creation scientists think light worked beforehand – and whya flood of water would change something such different and (ahem) fundamental property of physics? They, er.. they do have an explanation for this beyond just “magic” don’t they?

    .

    Nope, it’s magic all the way down. I have had a few of occasions on the net where I would bring this up, and ask the True Believer about it. The reply always is “sure, God did what he had to do to get the job done”. But wouldn’t that mean that the lenses of our eyes wouldn’t work right? And where did rivers come from if it didn’t rain until the flood? Why didn’t the water evaporate into clouds, then condense and rain? How could we keep cool if evaporation and condensation didn’t happen? Miracles, all miracles…

    .

    My next post asks why their God created more major miracles in covering up the effects of the Flood than he did in the Flood itself. What’s the point in doing this if he makes the world look as though it hadn’t happened? They always pull the plug before the conversation gets interesting :(

  • John Pieret

    Canadian Yankee @ 20:

    As a long time partisan at talk.origins, I was aware of claims of no rain before the Flud. Asked how plants grew then, they usually point to the reference in Genesis to mist on the ground and, in conjunction with the “water canopy,” that was sufficient to water all the plants.

    Of course, they don’t explain how light shining through mist won’t create rainbow relatives called glorioles.

  • John Pieret

    Canadian Yankee @ 20:

    As a long time partisan at talk.origins, I was aware of claims of no rain before the Flud. Asked how plants grew then, they usually point to the reference in Genesis to mist on the ground and, in conjunction with the “water canopy,” that was sufficient to water all the plants.

    Of course, they don’t explain how light shining through mist won’t create rainbow relatives called glorioles.

  • Damien McLeod

    Dan Delzell, the pastor of Wellspring Lutheran Church in Papillion, Nebraska, said what???? And he’s not in a padded cell???

    When are we going understand that worshiping sky-fairy’s is a dangerous form of insanity, corrupting our children, our politics, our whole species.

    If these wackos want to do it in the privacy of their own homes, fine, as long as child protective services gets the kids out. Children must be protected from the insane mental and emotional religious abuse of their elders.

    Secular Humanism, Science, and Atheism are the only hope the human species has. (Just my opinion for better of worse)

  • Damien McLeod

    Dan Delzell, the pastor of Wellspring Lutheran Church in Papillion, Nebraska, said what???? And he’s not in a padded cell???

    When are we going understand that worshiping sky-fairy’s is a dangerous form of insanity, corrupting our children, our politics, our whole species.

    If these wackos want to do it in the privacy of their own homes, fine, as long as child protective services gets the kids out. Children must be protected from the insane mental and emotional religious abuse of their elders.

    Secular Humanism, Science, and Atheism are the only hope the human species has. (Just my opinion for better of worse)