FL Gun Shop Owner Thinks He Can Ban Muslims

The owner of a gun store in Florida, apparently completely unaware of this pesky thing called the law, put up a Youtube video declaring that he will not allow Muslims to buy guns in his store. Because he’s a “patriot” (I do not think that means what you think it means), dontchaknow.

The New York Daily News said that Andy Hallinan, owner of Florida Gun Supply, released a YouTube video on Saturday in which he declared his intention to bar Muslims from the shop.

Backdropped by a Confederate Flag, Hallinan said, “I have a moral and legal responsibility to ensure the safety of all patriots in my community, and so effective immediately, I’m declaring Florida Gun Supply as a Muslim-free zone. I will not arm and train those who wish to do harm to my fellow patriots.”

By Tuesday morning, the video had racked up more than 35,000 views.

“We are in battle, patriots, but not only with Islamic extremism,” Hallinan said. “We’re also in battle against extreme political correctness that threatens our lives, because if we can’t call evil, evil for fear of offending people, then we can’t really defeat our enemies.”

But see, there’s this pesky little thing called the Civil Rights Act. It forbids discrimination on the basis of religion. But let’s check the irony levels here, shall we? These gun fetishists are always screaming about the sacred right to guy and own guns and they scream bloody murder even at the idea of a background check for prospective buyers to see if they have a history of criminal violence. They think it’s an absolute outrage that any individual would be subjected to such a check before buying a gun. But declare an entire religious group, millions of people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful and decent, to be unable to exercise that supposedly sacred right protected by the Constitution? Perfectly fine with them.

I’m sure the NRA will be putting out a very strong statement about this outrageous discrimination and about the inviolability of one’s right to bear arms any minute, right? Right? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

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  • caseloweraz

    Training? So I go to Florida Gun Supply ( http://store.floridagunsupply.com/ ) and I check the store policies. Some of their return policies are odd, but that’s a side issue. They do training — a basic class costs $85.00.

    But the thing is, the attitude seems to be “us against them”. Consider this from the policies page: Florida Gun Supply is a “doing business as” name of TEOTWAWKI Investments, LLC. “TEOTWAWKI” stands for “The End Of The World As We Know It” – which has been in existance (sic) for over 3 years.

    I don’t think they feel fine about TEOTWAWKI.

  • StevoR

    Backdropped by a Confederate Flag ..

    Well what a surprise! Who would’ve guessed?

    I’m declaring Florida Gun Supply as a Muslim-free zone. I will not arm and train those who wish to do harm to my fellow patriots.”

    Um, Mr Hallinan, that doesn’t make sense. Being Muslim doesn’t mean someone is out to harm US patriots, indeed many Us patriots are (gasp) Muslim and many Christian militia, white supremacists and rightwingers are far more likely to harm patriots (or other US citizens) than anyone else -statistically speaking.

    Also someone standing behind a Confederate flag talking patriotism, might want to reconsider what sorta position they are into make that determination, patriotism~wise.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Sure, he’ll take a hit to his business, but “othering” Muslins and other Liberals is worth it. And also he won’t take a hit to his business.

     

    StevoR “Also someone standing behind a Confederate flag talking patriotism, might want to reconsider what sorta position they are into make that determination, patriotism~wise.”

    What part of “…one Nation under God, divisible…” don’t you understand?

  • Chiroptera

    These gun fetishists are always screaming about the sacred right to guy and own guns and they scream bloody murder even at the idea of a background check for prospective buyers to see if they have a history of criminal violence.

    That’s because “background checks” are something the gubmint makes them do against their will. Protection of the rights of religious minorities is something else the gubmint does against their will.

    We’re not talking about rational citizens with a coherent and logical view of rights and responsibilities. We’re talking about a bunch of seven year old children who throw tantrums whenever the grown ups try to make them do something they don’t want to do.

  • StevoR

    Maybe Mr Hallimnan should read this :

    http://cairflorida.org/blog/saluting_muslim_american_patriots.html

    Excerpt :

    Rosters of soldiers serving in Washington’s Army lists names like Bampett Muhammad, who fought for the Virginia Line between the years 1775 and 1783. Another one of Washington’s soldiers, Yusuf Ben Ali, was a North African Arab who worked as an aide to General Thomas Sumter of South Carolina. Peter Buckminster, who fought in Boston, is perhaps Washington’s most distinguished Muslim American soldier. Buckminster fired the gun that killed British Major General John Pitcairn at the Battle of Bunker Hill. Years after this famous battle, Peter changed his last name to “Salaam,” the Arabic word meaning “peace.” Peter Salaam later reenlisted in the Continental Army to serve in the Battle of Saratoga and the Battle of Stony Point. If Washington had a problem with Muslims serving in his Army, he would not have allowed Muhammad, Ali and Salaam to represent and serve non-Muslim Americans.

    Plus :

    Over 15,000 Arab Americans, some of whom were Muslim, fought for the U.S. in North Africa, Europe and Asia during the second World War. Historian Edward E. Curtis states that at least twelve Muslim Americans sacrificed their lives during the Vietnam War. Curtis adds that these Muslim soldiers “held military grades from private first class to sergeant.”

    When it comes to this :

    Hallinan said. “We’re also in battle against extreme political correctness that threatens our lives, because if we can’t call evil, evil for fear of offending people, then we can’t really defeat our enemies.”

    Emphasis added.

    Ya gotta wonder :

    I) The guy who has just called everyone of one religion “evil” on youtube and banned them from his shop is someone being stopped by fear of offending folks – really? How exactly?

    II) Who says you can’t call “evil” evil when it it really is evil? How does PC stop you doing that precisely? What exactly is the evil and who exactly are the enemies here?

    III) Just how many Muslim customer does this guy have or expect to / have had and just how much does he even really know and understand to have such a simple-minded view anyhow?

  • Georgia Sam

    I’m tempted to convert to Islam just so I can go to that shop & say to the owner in my best good-ol’-boy drawl, “I’m lookin’ for somethin’ with serious knock-down power. What you got for me?” After he sells me the gun, I’ll taunt him publicly for having sold a gun to a Muslim. The thing is, though, I don’t want a gun…

  • Saad

    StevoR, #2

    Backdropped by a Confederate Flag ..

    Well what a surprise! Who would’ve guessed?

    “It’s not a symbol of hate!”

  • StevoR

    Are these individuals :

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/engy-abdelkader/top-ten-list_b_3701579.html

    “evil” or the opposite?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    III) Just how many Muslim customer[s] does this guy have or expect to have…?

    Not bloody many, even if you assume that all Muslims in his vicinity want to buy guns — which, AFAIK, US Muslims in general have not shown a broad-based desire to do anyway (many having probably come here to get AWAY from places where Muslims were armed to the teeth).

    It’s easy to call yourself a “patriot” and take a brave stand against a minority when it doesn’t interfere with your profits.

  • janiceclanfield

    So basically what needs to happen is for Muslims and Blacks and Mexicans to start opening gun shops. Great big gun emporiums with an anti-white, anti-christian, pro-immigration, Satanic message at the front door in great big letters.

    Won’t happen but what a show that would be. Barrels and barrels of popcorn.

  • DaveL

    I hate to say it, but a shooting range might not fall under the Federal Civil Rights Act. That act employs a restricted definition of the term “place of public accommodation”. You could try to argue it falls under “other place of exhibition or entertainment”, but you’d still have to get by the restriction “customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment that move in commerce. ” If they don’t host travel leagues from out of state, that might be it as far as federal law is concerned.

    A lot of states have their own civil rights acts which employ much more expansive definition of “public accommodation”, but Florida seems to mirror the federal definition. One important difference is that Florida doesn’t have the “affecting commerce” caveat, so you might prevail under the “other place of entertainment” clause. However I’m not sure even that would be a slam dunk.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    I sent a story about this to a listserv including one particularly conspiracy-minded person.

    His reply:

    This is the fulfillment of the NWO crowd’s greatest desire: widespread instability, open race-war so they can crack down and fill the internment camps built by Haliburton.

    So don’t say you weren’t warned!

  • freehand

    StevoR –

    Real Muslims shoot decent people.

    These folks are not shooting people.

    Therefore…

    .

    Saad says: “It’s not a symbol of hate!”

    .

    Sometimes it’s a symbol of treason!

  • StevoR

    @ ^ freehand : Also slavery and oppression. More than just sometimes too. Not always but often.

    As for the “Real Muslims” bit, well, think your definition there of what real Muslims are and, well, real Muslims definitions of who real Muslims are kinda differ by 1890 degrees or so. Also “decent people” and “real Muslims” can be – but aren’t always – (though they usually are) overlapping categories. I know you know this really!

  • StevoR

    ^ By ‘1890’ there I meant ‘180’ natch. D’oh!

  • abb3w

    Hm. Maybe some liberal agitator can try pushing the NRA to have the federal definition of public accommodations expanded to explicitly include gun dealers. After all, if the Second Amendment is so important, shouldn’t access to that right be protected for all Americans, regardless of race, sex, or religion?

  • StevoR

    @9. Raging Bee :

    “III) Just how many Muslim customer[s] does this guy have or expect to have…?”

    Not bloody many, even if you assume that all Muslims in his vicinity want to buy guns — which, AFAIK, US Muslims in general have not shown a broad-based desire to do anyway ..

    Yes, that’d be my guess and expectation too.

  • abb3w

    @9ish, Raging Bee

    Not bloody many, even if you assume that all Muslims in his vicinity want to buy guns — which, AFAIK, US Muslims in general have not shown a broad-based desire to do anyway (many having probably come here to get AWAY from places where Muslims were armed to the teeth).

    GSS 1998-2014 data aggregated (to get a decent subsample for the smaller religions) indicate that in the US, a larger fraction of Buddhists own guns than Muslims.

    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    abb3w, well, they are American Buddhists.*

     

    * American Buddhists, coming this Fall to TLC.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    So if you meet Buddha on the road, you gotta stand your ground?

  • Saad

    Raging Bee, #20

    Turns out that kōan was meant as a challenge. Now it makes sense why some translations follow it up with “I’d love to see you try.”

  • marcus

    Saad @ 21 According to rumor Siddhartha was wicked quick on the draw.

    ‘Course few lived to tell the tale.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eo.raptor.3 eoraptor

    StevoR@5 provides excerpts discussing the number of Muslims in various wars. What’s missing is the number of Muslims in the US military during the various, recent, wars in the Middle East. I don’t have figures handy, but I know it was in the thousands. I’ve also read that many of those Muslims proved quite valuable simply because of their awareness of cultural norms in the Middle East.

    But, of course, as Muslims, they couldn’t be patriots. Boy, howdy!

  • kyoseki

    In my experience, gun stores are universally awful places to be.

  • Nemo

    I do wonder what people like this think that the word “patriot” means, and how they think the term applies to themselves.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    It’s a good thing that islamaphobia doesn’t exist, or we’d have to consider this behavior wrong.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Speaking of Buddhists and guns….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1yiQE_aOjM

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Gah, sorry about the imbed.

  • felidae

    So, now the Muslims who want to buy guns will have to do what the guy in Tennessee did and buy their guns on the internet–wow, what a victory for patriots

  • kyoseki

    So, now the Muslims who want to buy guns will have to do what the guy in Tennessee did and buy their guns on the internet–wow, what a victory for patriots

    If I had my way, all gun & ammo sales would be online, no face to face private party transactions, ever.

    I don’t understand people who want to outlaw online ammo purchases, you want to outlaw the only kind of transaction that explicitly HAS to leave a paper trail? Would you rather someone bought ammo in a store with cash and no record of the sale? What the fuck are you thinking?

  • dingojack

    freehand (#13) – uh, the people who weren’t shot were acting indecently? So we should applaud Real Muslims for not shooting flashers?

    I’m sure you had some kind of point in there somewhere… maybe.

    Dingo

  • freehand

    Ahem. I was, as is commonpractice in blogs like this, taking liberties and speaking with the voice of the enemy. I’m sure there’s a term for that.

    .

    You see, the sort of fellow that this store owner is would have two options when confronted with a stories of decent Muslims:

    1. He would deny the stories are true. This has the advantage of simplicity.

    2. He would insist that these folks aren’t real Muslims. This might be made possible by the example of his brother-in-law Ray Bob, who goes to church only at Christmas, but not on Easter. (He is therefore not a real Christian). These “Muslims” – unlike Christians – are improved by their status.

  • dingojack

    Oh – so you were trying for funny — don’t give up you day job!

    Dingo

    ——–

    Just to get more than a little tedious-

    There are four implicit classes:

    Real Muslims/ ‘fake Muslims’ and Decent people/ ‘indecent people’

    Therefore following your (imagined) syllogism:

    “Real Muslims shoot decent people” & “These folks aren’t shooting people”

    If the ‘these folks’ in the second of the propositions refers to the ‘real/fake Muslims’ condition and this proposition as a whole is, in fact, true then that leads to conclusion that ‘these folks’ are not shooting people because one or the other (or both) of the conditions of the first proposition is untrue. (of course the second proposition could be false or uncertain, or ‘these folks’ could refer to ‘decent/indecent people’):

    ‘These folks’ are, in fact, Real Muslims who are not shooting people who are ‘indecent’ or… (any one of the one the other multiple permutations).

    [Sorry just had a argument based on faulty logic elsewhere…]

  • freehand

    Dingojack – I’m sorry; are you asserting that the gentleman who is the subject of this blog thinks other than I suggested? Its true that it’s always dangerous and rude to speculate on another’s reasoning. but he does seem to represent a stereotype which I am disagreeably too familiar with.

    .

    If you saw a humorous attempt in my post, that’s better than I usually achieve.

    .

    Just to make it clear to anyone who might be intermittently but relentlessly literal in their reading, I am not at all uncomfortable with guns, Muslims, rednecks, Christians, or folks who are so strikingly decent that they get written up in news articles. I do think that American football is boring, that okra should be fried, not boiled, and I have serious issues with troglodytes who discriminate against customers based on religion, ethnicity, or physical differences. But feel free to present an argument which you think this gun shop owner would offer which has correct premisses and good logic; I may owe him an apology.

  • dingojack

    No, what I am saying is that your attempt to put words into another’s mouth* is unsuccessful because you’re not saying, even vaguely, what you think you are saying.

    Dingo

    ———

    * Completely without awareness of the irony, bearing in mind: ‘Its true that it’s always dangerous and rude to speculate on another’s reasoning.’

    PS: I apologise again for being ‘snippy’, but that lack of logic really irritated me elsewhere, unfortunately you crossed my path…

    My response was unwarranted and I apologise for it. :(

  • dingojack

    I’ll totally concede the point (whatever it was), if you’ll pardon my rudeness.

    Dingo

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    You see, the sort of fellow that this store owner is would have two options when confronted with a stories of decent Muslims…2. He would insist that these folks aren’t real Muslims.

    That’s the Sam Harris approach. Not as simple, but it does allow one to maintain one’s worst, most ignorant prejudices about Muslims when confronted with real Muslims who don’t fit the stereotype. It kinda puts one in agreement with the Muslim extremists (who kill other Muslims for that very reason) — but hey, bigots like this gun-store owner were probably in agreement with the Taliban already, whether they knew it or not.

  • freehand

    dingojack – absolutely we’re pals. Although my logic is impeccable (I never see the errors) and frequently subtle (what was I thinking of?), our politics and values seem to match pretty well,

  • Michael Heath

    Raging Bee writes:

    That’s the Sam Harris approach.

    Another Sam Harris opponent who doesn’t refute Harris’ actual statements when criticizing him.