Dobson: Gay Marriage Will Destroy Christianity…HITLER!

Dobson: Gay Marriage Will Destroy Christianity…HITLER! August 18, 2015

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Living fossil James Dobson, who seems to have become an afterthought among Christian right leaders over the last decade, gave the usual wingnut reaction to the Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling. It isn’t really about equality, it’s all about destroying Christianity, closing churches, throwing ministers in prison, persecuting Christians who own businesses…blah blah blah…HITLER!

This Court decision is not about same-sex marriage, except only tangentially. Many gay and lesbian groups have admitted that marriage has never been their primary objective. Instead, it is about everything else. What’s at stake is the entire culture war. To begin, it is an expression of hostility toward people who take their Christianity seriously. As you probably know, certain groups and organizations hate us. It is about weakening the Church of Jesus Christ and limiting what pastors and ministers can say and do publicly. It is about undermining the religious liberties of Christians that are guaranteed by the Constitution. It is about attacking Christian schools, Christian non-profit organizations such as Family Talk, and Christian businesses, hospitals, charities, and seminaries. It is about Christian colleges and universities, and about whom their leaders choose as professors and what their students will be taught. It’s about government funding and accreditation. It is all at risk. You’ll see.

Obergefell will also result in God-fearing laymen being dragged into court for trumped-up charges, such as those thrown at Aaron and Melissa Klein, who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony. Melissa has, by the way, not only been fined $135,000 for this “offense,” but has now been slapped with a gag order so she can’t even tell her side of the story. What ever happened to freedom of speech?

To continue, the Human Rights Campaign has recently sponsored HR 3185, which is beyond belief. It would allow gay and lesbian activists to persecute Americans in virtually every area of society, including employment, housing and public accommodations, credit, and dozens of other areas of civil life.

Nice spin. Telling people they can’t discriminate against gay people is “persecution” of those who want to discriminate. Funny, I’ve never heard him make that argument for any other anti-discrimination law. Christians are protected under both state and federal law against discrimination. Would Dobson agree that therefore Christians are persecuting non-Christians who wish to discriminate against them? Of course not. Repeat after me: Special pleading. It’s all about maintaining Christian privilege.

There is almost no limit to what will be imposed on the American public as a result of Obergefell. There is every indication that a barrage of court cases has been pre-planned and will be implemented against those who dare to disagree with the government’s view of marriage. Some will lose their jobs for failing to knuckle under.

Some will lose their professional licenses. Some will be persecuted, ridiculed and fined. Some will go to prison. After all, the Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex marriage is an inviolable Constitutional right that will trump other liberties considered untouchable for more than 200 years.

Didn’t we hear this same thing about the 2009 hate crimes law too? Has a single pastor been arrested for making anti-gay statements? Nope. Every day, ministers teach that gay people should be murdered and no one has ever been arrested for it. This is just a hysterical overreaction, but it’s one with a purpose. The way you bring in the money is by scaring the crap out of people. They have nothing to sell but fear itself.

I grieve over what will happen to kids in public schools. They will be taught that right is wrong and wrong is right, and that the teachings of Scripture are unreliable and inaccurate. How unthinkable it is that in some states kindergartners, barely out of babyhood, are being taught adult perverse behavior that should never be discussed in the classroom. Soon, publishers of public school textbooks throughout the country will have to re-write and re-illustrate materials to make them conform to the demands of Obergefell. It matters not that these revisions will contradict the beliefs and convictions of Christian parents. It has already become the law of the land in some states.

Schools teach all kinds of things that contradict the beliefs of Christian parents. You know why? Because Christian parents are often very wrong about a lot of things. The earth is not 6000 years old, for example, no matter how much they wish it was. Sorry, not sorry.

This is not the first time in recent history that children have been used as pawns in the hands of tyrants.

I’m reminded of the words of German dictator, Adolf Hitler, spoken as war in Europe approached. He said, “Your child belongs to us already . . . what are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.”

Uh, James…Hitler was on your side when it came to being anti-gay bigots.

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  • If Christianity is that fragile, then it should be destroyed.

    But maybe it’s only Dobson that is fragile.

  • This is not the first time in recent history that children have been used as pawns in the hands of tyrants.

    I’m reminded of the words of German dictator, Adolf Hitler, spoken as war in Europe approached. He said*, translated, ‘My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!’

    Adolf Hitler, 12 April 1922

    FIFY.

    • colnago80

      The war in Europe didn’t start until some 17 years later. In 1922, there was no indication at that time that war was approaching (the nations of Europe were struggling to get over the carnage of WW1). Frankenberger was just another loud mouth agitator who few would have predicted would rise to be dictator of Germany and engulf Europe in another war.

      • The_Schwa

        “Frankenberger was just another loud mouth agitator…”

        I always confuse him with that popular hot dog and hamburger chain Franks N’ Burgers.

      • Artor

        Some day, I hope you realize how much of an idiot you sound like when you show your inability to call Hitler by his actual name. Hint: you sound like an enormous fucktard.

        • colnago80

          Frankenberger, Schicklgruber, Heidler, Hister, shit by any other name would smell as bad.

          • se habla espol

            An excellent demonstration of what Artor just pointed out.

          • Artor

            And still you can’t type out the right name. Thanks for ducking into the punch.

      • Kermit Freehand

        My great uncle’s brother-in-law, Billy Bob Prosser, of Whiskey Bottom, Maryland, was also just another loud mouth agitator who few would have predicted would
        rise to be dictator of Germany and engulf Europe in another war.

        Is that whom you are talking about?

    • The_Schwa

      Actually, I think the TRUE quote is:

      “My feelings as a Super-Atheist points me to Charles Darwin as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and to cram gay marriage down the throats of future generations!””

  • G.Shelley

    A law that says people can marry someone of the same sex and doesn’t say much else is only tangentially related to marriage?
    This is how they can ignore the similarities with the anti mixed race marriage arguments. They have pretty much accepted that non whites are actually people, with the same kind of ideals, thoughts and aspirations as whites, but gays still aren’t really people. If they want something, it can’t be for the same reasons a person would want it.

    • Sastra

      By removing marriage as the goal of the ‘gay agenda’ Dobson isn’t only insulting gays; he’s ignoring atheists. Damn it, WE are the faction in the culture war which is taking seriously the folks who are taking religion seriously! What about the atheists? What are we — chopped liver?

      I’m seriously miffed about this.

    • eric

      I don’t think they are really ignoring Loving. I think they’re very much aware of how SSM is parallel to it and the parallel is what scares the crap out of them. Without any government ‘enforcement’ on churches at all, how many churches preach anti-miscenegation 48 years after Loving? Practically none. So even with no government ‘enforcement’ on churches to accept SSM, how many will preach gay marriage is a sin in 2063? Practically none. They know that, even if they won’t admit it. Which is why they’re fighting so hard against it.

  • raven

    Hitler:
    “Your child belongs to us already . . . what are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.”

    1. This is quite likely to be a Fake Quote. When a toad like Dobson quotes somebody, it is likely to Fake.
    If a fundie xian like Dobson quotes the bible, it is almost always not there or wildly taken out of context.
    2. I did try to verify it using Google. It’s not sourced, no title or date of the quote, another bad sign. I also found it only on lunatic fringe sites like Whirled Nuts Daily and other xian lie and hate sites. Another bad sign.
    3. None of which is 100% conclusive. But I wouldn’t trust anything James Dobson says without extensive verification. He has a long history of bizarre and erratic behavior.

    • cassandraoftroy

      But I wouldn’t trust anything James Dobson says without extensive verification. He has a long history of bizarre and erratic behavior.

      If Dobson told me the sky was blue, I’d feel the need to look out a window and check.

  • azportsider

    IIRC, Melissa Klein wasn’t fined $135000 for refusing to bake the cake, but for publicizing the rejected customers’ home address, presumably in the hope that some of her xian buddies would take the hint and start a terrorism campaign.

    • Eric Riley

      And there’s no ‘gag order’ preventing them from telling their side of the story – there *is* an order requiring them to stop saying that they will refuse to serve LBGT couples (which is against the law in Oregon).

  • raven

    James Dobson lives to hate. And he is good at it, by now being fairly old.
    1. The organization he founded, Focus on Hating Everybody, eventually tossed him out.
    2. Not for the hate. That is after all, their main mission. But because their loot intake has been going down steadily and they’ve had to lay off lots of people in two rounds.
    3. Hard to imagine but even some fundie xians can overdose on…hate.

  • zenlike

    It’s always funny hearing an authoritarian, theocratic thug like Dobson whine about freedom of speech.

  • Davey

    IF Christianity is that fragile, perhaps it’s time it be consigned to the trash heap where it obviously belongs.

  • John Pieret

    Many gay and lesbian groups have admitted that marriage has never been their primary objective.

    Maybe 40 years ago or more. Back then the movement was probably more focused on ending the routine harassment of gays by police, the threat of jail time, the “benign” neglect of the AIDS crisis, the disregard of society at large of protecting gay peoples’ lives … it has only been in the last 10 years or so that the thought of getting marriage equality became possible. And, as it becomes more accepted, the need to force some people to treat gays equally will become less and less. When was the last time you heard of a legal action to force a lunch counter to let blacks eat there? Dobson and his ilk will stop being “persecuted” when they stop discriminating against gays just because of who they are.

    • cassandraoftroy

      Unfortunately, there are still enormous inequalities that the LGBT community faces, and some activists have questioned the choice to put the pursuit of marriage equality ahead of fighting those other forms of discrimination. A gay couple in many states can get married one day, and find themselves evicted from their apartment the next day. Trans* people still face myriad forms of discrimination (including an increased danger of being murdered), and anti-gay bullying claims the lives of too many young LGBT people. These battles still remain to be won.

      • John Pieret

        You are, of course, right that those other fights are vital. But I don’t think the LGBT rights movement really put marriage equality before them. It rather fell into their laps through a series of small steps that no one thought would turn out as it has.

        And the success of the SSM fight will doubtless help those other causes. Would there have been such mainstream acceptance of Caitlyn Jenner (not to say she is anyway representative of most trans’ lives) if SSM hadn’t been so widely accepted? And her acceptance will, in time I think, help other trans people in turn. It’s a long fight to change a society and there isn’t necessarily a straight line path to achieving it.

        • cassandraoftroy

          That’s fair, though I think it would be more accurate to say that marriage equality was won through a combination of serendipitous societal changes and the concerted efforts of many dedicated activists. And I want to make clear that I’m not condemning those who fought for marriage equality in any way; I’m simply pointing out that there have been criticisms from within the LGBT movement of the choice to prioritize the fight for marriage equality — it has been seen by some as prioritizing the needs of the “LG” half of the acronym over those of the “BT” half, which is a trend that has been the subject of much commentary and criticism within the movement.

          I agree with you that it’s likely that marriage equality will contribute to the momentum of the LGBT rights movement, and may help with current and future battles. It’s just important for both LGBT people and especially allies to remember that LGBT equality isn’t “done,” any more than feminism was “done” after we got the vote, or the civil rights movement for black and other minority Americans was “done” after the 1960s. It’s a natural human tendency, after achieving a major accomplishment like marriage equality, to think you’ve “won,” but the unfortunate reality is that it’s only one (important!) battle in the long war ahead.

  • Davey

    the christioloon’s biggest fear is that they will be treated the same as they treat others. I’d be petrified if I were them.

  • Duggle Bogey

    If Dobson is worried that the “gay agenda” is to prevent christianity from being taken seriously, he should look at all the televangelists/scam artists like the ones John Oliver pointed out this weekend. Those are the people who are doing the most damage to the image of christianity.

    • raven

      Dobson could just look in the mirror.
      He is truly a horrible person that even a lot of fundie xians don’t like. He was tossed out of his own hate group!!!
      Guys like Dobson make more atheists in a day than Dawkins does in a year.

      • SharonB

        He certainly was instrumental in my two sons’ deconversions.

  • abb3w

    Yes, there will probably be some marriage counselors (and possibly a few lawyers) who will lose their professional licenses. Government officials like Kim Davis, who refuse direct court orders to perform their government job and issue marriage licenses to gay couples, will indeed risk contempt of court rulings against them, potentially including ruinous fines and coercive jail time.

    However, this is precisely because these other rights have not been considered as utterly absolute and untouchable as he’s trying to pretend.

  • The Guy

    Does Dobshite want some cheese with that whine? Christians aren’t being persecuted. Some Christians, who try to discriminate in employment, in their businesses, are fined and criticized. As far as the specific example of the Kleins that was mentioned, they’re not being fined $135,000 for refusing service. They’re being fined for publicizing the names of the defendants (although I think that info might have already been available) which led to death threats against the defendants.

    • alanb

      1. The 135,000 was not a fine. It was rather a civil judgement paid for pain and suffering to the complainants.

      2. Publicizing the home address had no bearing on the judgement. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/10/no-the-oregon-bakers-werent-fined-for-publishing-the-complainants-home-address-or-for-otherwise-publicizing-the-complaint-against-them/

      • The Guy

        I wasn’t aware of point #1 or #2. Thanks for the link. I still think that Dobson’s claims are false and hyperbolic. I don’t know what a proportional fine should be, but the Kleins aren’t being persecuted because of the payment they are now required to make, nor for being required to cater to paying customers who are gay.

      • Cozmo the Magician

        Additionally the ‘gag order’ claim is BULLSHIT. The court only ruled that they can not advertise that they discriminate against gays anymore. It does NOT say that they can’t talk about the case. If this ass hat had actually READ the ruling he would know this. So either Dobson is a moron, or is lying, or both.

  • whheydt

    The “lessons of Scripture” are not only “unreliable and inaccurate” but also flat out wrong and stupid. Over on Panda’s Thumb, there is a long thread in which a fundie YEC has been insisting that the Bible says that plants are not alive and can’t die. He wonders why no one will buy Biblical “inerrancy”….