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Spiritual Saviors? But there is nothing to Save!

One day I happened to meet a rather self righteous-posing as a do-gooder missionary.  He had a script firmly implanted in his mind and went through the usual narrative of how I was a sinner – rather we all are – and then how Jesus could be my savior.  His small talk and then this rather despondent news of me being a sinner, without him knowing anything about me, left me really irritated.  So I took him head on.

“So, who did you say is my savior, Sir?”

“Jesus”.

“Oh, the dude who was dragged through the streets in his town and hung up to die?”

“Well, he died for our sins”

“God!!  Next you will try selling me Taj Mahal!  The guy who couldn’t SAVE HIMSELF, will save ME?!!”

“Taj Mahal, I never said that.. ”

“Well, you don’t own it, so you can’t.. but you don’t stop short of selling a guy who couldn’t save himself to me as a savior, do you?!  If he could save ANYONE dude, he would have saved HIMSELF!  So, first principle, you can’t give to others that you don’t have yourself!  Like Taj Mahal!  Now, of course, if you wanted to sell me Superman as my Savior, we could start talking again! ”  I said with a smile.

I am sure he wanted the discussion to go somewhere else, but my rather “straight talk” left him bewildered.  He hadn’t gotten to that version of the script for sure.

I have nothing against Jesus.  He was a great guy I am sure.  Enlightened as well.  But Savior?  It is time to call out the nonsense of something when you see it.

What I call “Me”, is my Body and my Mind-stuff.  We have seen people die.  Bodies perish.  Yes, some bodies have survived some millenia in ice, but they perish eventually too.  Though some deterministic scientists have been running away from it, but there is a strong case to be made for “Individualized Consciousness” that survives one’s death (Near Death Experiences and Reincarnation).  This “Individualized Consciousness” is the only thing that identifies a person – beyond the body and its parts – that can be found circumstantially.

Sages say that it is the “Karmic Structure”.  It is perishable too.  In fact, the Sages are after this precisely.

That which is perishable, cannot be saved.  It is as stark a truth as Creation and change itself.  What cannot be saved, its foolish to even try to save it.  If you still do, you aren’t a Savior.  You are an over-enthusiastic moron.

Jesus did allude to the “Kingdom of God”, or the seat of Universal Consciousness that vibrates within us.  The Creator as it breathes through us.  This part, if it is indeed God / Creator / Universal Consciousness – then it has to be by definition Eternal.  For, what good is a perishable God – even if it is to die in millions of millenia?

That which cannot perish, cannot be touched or harmed has no need of saving.  By Definition Creator is beyond Saving.

So, if we are that which cannot be Saved and that which doesn’t need Saving, what the hell do we need a “Savior” for??

The problem is that people who came up with this story in the Middle East, were Survivalists.  Like the Roman Emperor Constantine, who came up with “Nicene Creed”.  For a survivalist, Saving himself is the ultimate goal.

But Jesus, he was anything but a survivalist.  He didn’t need surviving.  But unfortunately, he is stuck with a legacy that has been shoved on him by lesser mortals, who knew no better.  So, a being who was into Blossoming, became the poster boy of the Survivalists.

No Enlightened Master saves.  Saves anything.  He / She knows it is nonsensical.  There is nothing to Save.  So, the Master is there to destroy.  Destroy your conditioning, and hopefully the “Individualized Consciousness” or the “Karmic Structure.  If you are on the Spiritual path, then you aren’t into saving.  If you are into Saving yourself, then please have fun watching a movie.  But you can’t be on the Spiritual Path and into Saviors.  You might as well wear a clown hat.  For, you are no better.
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  • Ambaa

    I love your response!

    I run into these types so often and I usually just cut them off, tell them I’m perfectly happy with my religion, and shut the door in their faces. If they ask to know more about my religion, I know it’s a trap. They’re just trying to find ammunition to use against me. Makes my head want to explode.

    I’m going to try your response next time! :)

    • drishtikone

      Hi Ambaa – Have come across so many of these kinds that after the avoiding and being nice, one has to approach it headon – specially in the Spiritual sense.

      The main thing however, I really wanted to bring out was that preserving self is not Spiritual. A Spiritual Seeker, which every Hindu is by default, has no place for preservation. But that doesn’t mean one lay down and let others kill him/her – rather such Spiritual seeking opens one up to do what is needed without the fear of social impact.

  • HARRY

    I like the way you hit the nail on the head with just one sentence. Couldn’t stop laughing at your take on the saviors.

    ” That which is perishable, cannot be saved. It is as stark a truth as Creation and change itself. What cannot be saved, its foolish to even try to save it. If you still do, you aren’t a Savior. You are an over-enthusiastic moron. ”

    I don’t think anything much can be said beyond this point. And I also had my fair share of this over-enthusiastic morons as well. :) Nice one Dude.

    • drishtikone

      Thanks so much Harry! :)

  • Kenton Slaughter

    You certainly did hit the nail on its head, namely that if something doesn’t need saving, then it doesn’t need a savior. But then you go on to evaluate and interpret Jesus’ words not according to his own standards, but to your own. That’s not a good way to refute an argument. But, you do make a very profound claim, and that is the difference between Christianity (and Judaism and Islam) and Hinduism.

    You state, “That which is perishable, cannot be saved.” This is precisely the point of difference. The three Abrahamic religions hold that there is a self-existing, personal being who exists outside of Creation. As He is self-existing, He is eternal and does not perish. He is immortal and imperishable. He created everything else that exists; created, not formed. As a result, Christianity has a very different premise. In fact, what is perishable can be saved. It can be recreated, it can be reformed.

    Further, you seem to argue that there is something within Creation that is imperishable (even Divine), and that this does not need saving at all. Yet again, Christianity holds to a different premise. Because there is a self-existing, personal being who created and formed existing, personal beings, there is a personal relationship that is the foundation of and lies at the center of reality and our existence. And because we personal beings are inextricably “composed” of what is both perishable and imperishable, our existence is dependent on what is perishable by nature and imperishable by nature. If the perishable aspect (physical life) perishes, our existence is incomplete, though what is imperishable (the soul) exists in some capacity.

    Yet, this self-existing and personal being is also a moral being, and therefore the personal relationship between this being and us includes a moral component. Morality yields right and wrong, virtue and vice, good and evil, and these yield justice, fairness, equity, etc. If this is a self-existing, personal, moral being, then morality is self-existing and is defined by this personal being. If so, then our personal relationship is also defined in moral terms and dependent upon morality. And if this is the case, then this relationship — the foundation of complete existence — is subject to and determined by adherence to this personal morality. As morality leads to justice — both the evaluating of and the response to good and evil — upholding the moral relationship leads to continued existence, while breaching the moral relationship leads to its cessation. In layman terms, good leads to life, evil leads to death.

    Where Christianity is distinct is that it posits, via the Hebrew Bible, that human beings chose evil, and forfeited life. That is why humans, and everything else, perish. Certainly, the potential for perishing already existed, but it ceased when the personal relationship between God and humanity was breached. Furthermore, just as morality leads to justice, justice leads to judgment. As our existence is two-fold, judgment also occurs in both. Hence, there is an imperishable judgment after death. What is more, once the relationship is breached, it cannot be restored by fulfilling its moral terms. Rather, not only must new terms be determined for its renewal, but God Himself must restore the life that He has taken away. Christianity is the explanation of the terms that God has set for restoring complete existence, and the means by which God Himself has set out to restore it.

    Given this, you should be able to see where the need for a savior comes from.

    • HARRY

      You explained that very well. Slow clap. LOL, I wish I can pickle my soul.

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