Creation and Evolution: The True Stories

I had barely posted on the fact that the story of Noah's ark makes at least slightly more sense when one includes hyper-fast evolution, when the blog The Layman's Answer to Everything posted about the story of Noah's ark being a parable of evolution. When the metaphorical flood comes, the fittest survive.

Then Chris Brady shared a cartoon depicting creation in a manner that sci-fi fans and neo-Gnostics alike should appreciate:

Meanwhile, Ben Stanhope responded to Answers in Genesis, pointing out some issues at the Creation Museum, including one so glaring that even the Answers in Genesis website acknowledges it is wrong!

And finally, Brian Bibb posted on selective Bible reading and Biblical illiteracy, saying:

There…is the problem of biblical literacy. Even those who claim to take their faith seriously often have a profoundly underdeveloped knowledge of the Bible. And even if they do know its contents, there is a shocking lack of careful interpretation in the church. If people really knew the Bible, con-men like Joel Osteen and Ken Ham would be out of business.

 

 

  • Keyra

    “Even those who claim to take their faith seriously often have a profoundly underdeveloped knowledge of the Bible.”, propaganda at its best. Joel Olsteen and them being con-men, that’s a good one; I could say the same for Dawkins & Krauss, but just because I disagree with them, doesn’t mean they’re con-men

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

      Of course not. If Dawkins and Krauss claim that anyone who disagrees with them, or their interpretation of certain evidence, is not a true atheist, or whatever, then there might be a closer analogy. It is the misrepresentation of the Bible – and in the case of Ham, the blatant dishonesty about scientific evidence as well – that is the reason for the label. Although I am less familiar with Osteen and so cannot comment, Ham deserves the label more than probably any person claiming to be a Christian that I am aware of in our time period, although it is to be shared with his collaborators in the young-earth creationist deception.

      • x x

        Dawkins and the New Atheists do in fact claim that they are the true atheists and that fellow atheists like Alain de Botton are “compromisers.” In other words, Dawkins & Co. are mirror images of the AIG crowd.

        • arcseconds

          They also have the same biblical hermeneutic as fundamentalists, and they also act as though that hermeneutic is normative for Christianity.

          So they basically have the same view of religion that Ham and so forth do, too.

          Still, at least they’re good on science, I suppose.

    • Guest

      You can’t honestly say the same for Dawkins and Krauss because their work has been peer reviewed and they have to provide actual evidence for their theories.

      • arcseconds

        I don’t think Dawkins’s work on religion has been peer-reviewed by the religious studies community.

        Anyway, I don’t think Keyra’s point was that they’re con-men. The point is that although Keyra disagrees with them, they’re not, so McGrath shouldn’t be calling Ham &c. con men just because he disagrees with them.

        • Paul D.

          I don’t mind calling Ham a con-man. He grossly misrepresents and tells lies about science, theology and the Bible in order to sell a product, posing as an authority in areas he evidently has no competence in.

          • arcseconds

            I should make it clear that I wasn’t taking a position on whether or not Ham is a con-man, I was just trying to explain what (I think) Keyra is saying.

            However, Dawkins also misrepresents the Bible and theology, in much the same was as Ham, doesn’t he? So is Dawkins also a con-man, or 0.6667 a con-man?

            • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

              Since Dawkins is a biologist, when he talks about biology, I wouldn’t say he is a con man, unless he deliberately misrepresents things in his field. Ham, on the other hand, makes claims regularly which are verifiably false, and so it is hard to find another label that is more appropriate.

              • arcseconds

                I wasn’t talking about his bioiogy, though, was I? He’s at least as well known amongst the general public for his stuff on religion, probably more so.

                Are you not a con man if you tell the truth some of the time?

                • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

                  I was trying to compare like with like, and so my point was that Ken Ham is a con man when it comes to biology, while Richard Dawkins is not. We can discuss their status with respect to religion, in which case the situation is different.
                  :-)

  • http://targuman.org/ Christian Brady

    BTW Wiley’s cartoon, while fantastic, is more science than SciFi. There are plenty of scientists who believe life on earth could have started with some bit of biological material landing on earth (via a meteor) from another world.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

      True, although I think that few envisage the biological material being from a spacecraft that is clearing out its lavatory system! :-)

      • http://targuman.org/ Christian Brady

        Maybe…maybe not. ;-) I did say Wiley’s interpretation was “fantastic.”

  • Guest

    Thanks for the link James! I guess this is an idea whose time has come! Amazing that we both posted on this Biblical evolution topic on the same day. In another
    post (http://thelaymansanswerstoeverything.com/2013/04/28/the-invisible-thread/), I wrote about how we are all connected and the reason why many inventions and story ideas come out at the same time is because multiple people can tap into the same spiritual frequencies. Guess we’re both on the same wavelength!

    Keep sharing the light!

    The
    Layman

  • moromaner

    Thanks for the link James! I guess this is an idea whose time has come! Amazing that we both posted on this Biblical evolution topic on the same day. In another
    post (The Invisible Thread: http://thelaymansanswerstoeverything.com/?p=2234)
    I wrote about how we are all connected and the reason why many inventions and
    story ideas come out at the same time is because multiple people can tap into
    the same spiritual frequencies. Guess we’re both on the same wavelength!

    Keep sharing the light!

    The
    Layman


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