Progressive Christianity is a Threat to Ken Ham’s Deceptions

Ken Ham has gone on record as saying that progressive Christianity is dangerous. This is good news. Any authentic Christianity ought to seem dangerous to oppressors and charlatans and the narrow-minded. Otherwise, we are doing it wrong.

Among the ironic things Ham said was this gem:

Apparently they call this sort of thing ‘Progressive Christianity.’ I guess that means ‘evolving Christianity’ – whatever the secular world believes about where they came from, you accept that as infallible and then change their assumed fallible Word of God to fit! So sad.

Why is this ironic? Because what he describes is exactly what the Biblical authors did. They always assume the best view of the natural world available in their time. They never, ever, even once offer some new information about the natural world not already available to the “secular world” in their time.

Let’s keep up the good work in exposing Ken Ham’s lies as pseudoscientific and unbiblical nonsense!

 

 

  • TomS

    And, of course, where are those who adhere to the Biblical doctrine of geocentrism rather than merely bending to popular opinion about the Earth flying through space?

  • http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com Mike Gantt

    James,

    Have you ever written details about your migration from YEC to anti-YEC, and, if so, could you provide a link to it? I am curious about why you are so aggressively hostile to the YEC point of view in general and to Ken Ham in particular.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

      I’ve shared it on multiple occasions, but it should not take too long to simply sum it up here. Basically, being an eager promoter of young-earth creationism I sought out materials relevant to the topic, and came across a book called Science and Creation edited by Ashley Montagu, which took the time to demonstrate in detail that the claims I had accepted from young-earth creationists were false, and their entire approach was unscientific. I oppose it now both to make amends for previously promoting it, to undo some of the damage I did; but also more generally to counter the terrible damage that promoters of YEC are doing to the Christian church and to the world’s impression of Christians and Christianity.

      • http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com Mike Gantt

        Could you explain what you mean by “the terrible damage that promoters of YEC are doing to the Christian church and to the world’s impression of Christians and Christianity”?

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

          I was referring to the same things I have addressed here many times before. By setting up a false antithesis between acceptance of mainstream science and Christian faith, they set people up to lose their faith if they ever discover that mainstream science is actually solid and well-founded, and that certain Christians had lied to them about it. And by making it seem that Christians are either deliberate charlatans or gullible people who are duped by them, they hinder anyone who is well-informed about the natural world from being able to seriously consider the Christian message.

        • gimpi1

          Think “refer-madness.” When you are told something is terrible, or false, or bad, and you find out it’s not, you tend to discount anything else that came from the source that deceived you.

          Mr. Ham is wrong. It’s easy to find out just how wrong he is. When people make that discovery, because of education or life-experiences, they will often “throw the baby out with the bath-water” and leave organized religion behind. Weather that is bad or not depends on your point of view, but it happens.

      • arcseconds

        Do you have any thoughts on why you found this convincing, whereas a common experience of rebutting the claims of a YECist is that they seem to remain exactly where they were at the beginning of the conversation?

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/ James F. McGrath

          I don’t know exactly what made the difference. The fact that I had not been a young-earth creationist long or brought up as one probably made a difference – I got enthusiastic about it, but didn’t have it as something that I connected intrinsically with my Christian faith.

          • Ian

            And that, of course, most scares Ham and his cronies. Because if YEC isn’t intrinsically and unbreakably linked to your faith, it can be discarded when someone finds the truth. So they do anything they can to make people believe that YEC is so connected intrinsically with their faith, that an attack on YEC is an attack on God. Hoping that, there’ll be fewer people like you in the future who feel able to dispose of one and not the other.

            • beau_quilter

              I think, also, this is why Ham is most concerned with indoctrinating children.

          • arcseconds

            it does seem to be the case, anecdotally, that those who are raised in a YEC bubble who do manage to think their way out of it often have a great deal of difficulty doing so. Some of the stories sound positively traumatic.

            (Which is another reason to resist YEC — it’s not just that former enthusiasts potentially take a dim view of Christians after they find out they’ve been had, but that they often have such a horrible time getting from one point to another. I’ve never heard anyone going the other way suffer so. )

            however, there are others, including some of our YECist visitors, who do take up YECism later in life and seem incredibly dedicated to it.

            So there must be more to it than that :-)

  • GordonKS

    Thank you James for keeping up the pressure on Ham. He claims to be defending the Bible but he’s more interested in defending his supposed perfect beliefs. Must be nice to never have to admit you’re wrong.

  • germcheck

    Ken is in this for the money. He came from Australia and made millions and millions of dollars in USA selling fake science to children of Christian parents with deficient scientific knowledge. He operates a dinosaur fun ground, selling to home schooled children textbooks that could not get gov’t accreditations. He sold bonds and pocketed millions of dollars supposedly to build another fun ground based on Noah’s ark but until today, still not a dirt moved. What TRUE Christians should do is to follow the money and expose the frauds of this con artist.

  • skeptic150

    I think Christianity is its own enemy – at the core of Christianity is vicarious redemption via human sacrifice predicated on animal sacrifice. Each of these, by themselves, is primitive, irrational, and/or barbaric. Now, combine them (for Christianity) and they’re acceptable for Christians (yet rejected by even Christians in the context of another religion)? Sorry, doesn’t pass my smell test.


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