Saganism

These two quotes both came my way on Facebook. Both have been well known. I wonder what new and interesting things will come out of the new Carl Sagan archive that was recently made public by the Library of Congress.

 

  • summers-lad

    I’ve often thought that if somebody could convince me that young earth creationism was true, I would be disappointed that God was not nearly as great a creator as I believe him to be. I’m leading a small group Bible study on creation on Tuesday, and I might use the first quote.

  • beau_quilter

    Even the New Atheist Sam Harris accepts this version of “spirituality”.

    • guest

      Of course he does, because there’s nothing supernatural about it. Atheists are totally capable of feeling and appreciating sensations of love, joy, awe and wonder. They just don’t think God is the source of those sensations.

      • beau_quilter

        Right. Perhaps more to the point (with the word “spiritual”), atheists are not philosophical dualists. Though atheists do see neuronal brain activity as the basis for thought, emotions, and everything that goes with consciousness, it doesn’t mean that they think such states of being are not extraordinarily complex. And some, such as Harris and Sagan, see words like “spiritual” as a useful description of certain states of being.

        Atheists don’t believe that there is a spirit that is distinct from the body and that can survive death; but just as our concept of “I” is a useful way to reference our experience (despite ultimately being an illusion), spirituality can be a useful way of referencing our emergent experiences.

  • anon

    Psalms 8 and 19:

    When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
    The moon and the stars, which You have ordained,

    What is man that You are mindful of him,
    And the son of man that You visit him?

    The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His handiwork.
    Day unto day utters speech,
    And night unto night reveals knowledge.
    There is no speech nor language
    Where their voice is not heard.
    Their line has gone out through all the earth,
    And their words to the end of the world.

    King David certainly thought the opposite.

    • beau_quilter

      The opposite of what?


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