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]]> By: Chris H. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2976 Chris H. Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:21:36 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2976 I think that the secular social scientific argument is very much divided on socialism (at least the european style of socialism that I like). My socialism is more based in my secular political philosophy than it is in my religious beliefs, though I do not think that my religion denies it. My views have advanced since I wrote this post over a year ago (though I am still more or less a socialist as I define it here and elsewhere). All being said, my form of socialism is not Marxist but more a form of liberalism. I think that the secular social scientific argument is very much divided on socialism (at least the european style of socialism that I like). My socialism is more based in my secular political philosophy than it is in my religious beliefs, though I do not think that my religion denies it.

My views have advanced since I wrote this post over a year ago (though I am still more or less a socialist as I define it here and elsewhere). All being said, my form of socialism is not Marxist but more a form of liberalism.

]]> By: Trevor M http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2977 Trevor M Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:43:07 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2977 It seemeth me that the scientific arguments against socialism hold great power from a secular standpoint, which include all the things mentioned above, incentive for labor, distastefulness of willful wealth redistribution, etc., as well as the difficulty of providing all the goods that people want without market forces guiding it. However, it also makes a lot of sense that religion gives us just enough crazy hope to believe that men can work together and make life better and sacrifice for the good of the whole. While I don't view socialism as viable due to the many sociological difficulties attached to it, it seems silly to try and limit a man's (or Woman's) belief in human cooperation to rise higher in the world. We need this sort of forward-thinking, hope/faith-centered world-view to inspire us as we labor around other imperfect beings. It seemeth me that the scientific arguments against socialism hold great power from a secular standpoint, which include all the things mentioned above, incentive for labor, distastefulness of willful wealth redistribution, etc., as well as the difficulty of providing all the goods that people want without market forces guiding it.

However, it also makes a lot of sense that religion gives us just enough crazy hope to believe that men can work together and make life better and sacrifice for the good of the whole. While I don’t view socialism as viable due to the many sociological difficulties attached to it, it seems silly to try and limit a man’s (or Woman’s) belief in human cooperation to rise higher in the world. We need this sort of forward-thinking, hope/faith-centered world-view to inspire us as we labor around other imperfect beings.

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2975 Chris H. Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:11:17 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2975 AntonioB, Being a Mormon egalitarian (whether a communinist, socialist, or liberal) is very lonely. Many Mormons are more capitalist than they are LDS. I tend to reject radical utopian communism in favor of a liberal form of social democracy. Of course, to most uninformed observers that makes me a radical socialist. AntonioB,

Being a Mormon egalitarian (whether a communinist, socialist, or liberal) is very lonely. Many Mormons are more capitalist than they are LDS.

I tend to reject radical utopian communism in favor of a liberal form of social democracy. Of course, to most uninformed observers that makes me a radical socialist.

]]> By: AntonioB http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2980 AntonioB Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:14 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2980 I just re-read my response and noticed that it looks like I fell away from the church or something...I LOVE the church and hold the truth above everything, and if it were clear that Heavenly Father actually didn't want his children to cooperate etc. then I'd leave communism bhind long before I'd leave my testimony. I just wanted to clear things up. Man I'm so glad there are other socialisty Mormons out there, when I first found out about Hugh B. Brown and his cool quote about Mormons being able to be socialist etc, it made my day. ¡Me encanta el socialismo, y espero q no tenga q dejarlo!! ¡Ayudadme a hallar la verdad!! I just re-read my response and noticed that it looks like I fell away from the church or something…I LOVE the church and hold the truth above everything, and if it were clear that Heavenly Father actually didn’t want his children to cooperate etc. then I’d leave communism bhind long before I’d leave my testimony. I just wanted to clear things up.

Man I’m so glad there are other socialisty Mormons out there, when I first found out about Hugh B. Brown and his cool quote about Mormons being able to be socialist etc, it made my day.
¡Me encanta el socialismo, y espero q no tenga q dejarlo!! ¡Ayudadme a hallar la verdad!!

]]> By: AntonioB http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2979 AntonioB Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:24:56 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2979 Near the beginning of the comments here I was so happy and impressed to see that other people shared my views on socialism etc. (I've always been LDS and when I was younger I stumbled upon socialism, fell in love with it, and then became heart broken when I read a year later how the church hated socialism(which was what I got out of the comments about it in the Gospel Doctrine book.)This caused so much turmoil inside me, because I loved the ideas of sharing and distributing and not competing and all that great stuff, and I couldn´t understand why the church would hate it like that. I have a defenition here of socialism that I kind of like: Communism is the abolition of power of people over people. This means abolishing "oppression," whether the oppression be of nations by nations, classes by classes, women by men or any other division in society. Communism is based on mutual cooperation, peace and justice instead of oppression. Long-run goals of communism include the abolition of classes and organized society without governments or borders. Communists believe that as in certain tribal societies in the past and living still today, it is possible for humans to organize themselves without war, crime, starvation and homelessness. When there are social problems, communists blame those problems on how society is organized. They seek to organize society to bring out the best in people, however flawed the species may be. Except in tribal societies, no communist leader* has ever claimed that a society has achieved communism yet. That means the industrial societies of our time have either lived in capitalism or socialism. It all just makes me want to study and learn to find out what it takes to set up a society superior to capitalism (which I've come to loathe.) Near the beginning of the comments here I was so happy and impressed to see that other people shared my views on socialism etc. (I’ve always been LDS and when I was younger I stumbled upon socialism, fell in love with it, and then became heart broken when I read a year later how the church hated socialism(which was what I got out of the comments about it in the Gospel Doctrine book.)This caused so much turmoil inside me, because I loved the ideas of sharing and distributing and not competing and all that great stuff, and I couldn´t understand why the church would hate it like that. I have a defenition here of socialism that I kind of like: Communism is the abolition of power of people over people. This means abolishing “oppression,” whether the oppression be of nations by nations, classes by classes, women by men or any other division in society. Communism is based on mutual cooperation, peace and justice instead of oppression.

Long-run goals of communism include the abolition of classes and organized society without governments or borders. Communists believe that as in certain tribal societies in the past and living still today, it is possible for humans to organize themselves without war, crime, starvation and homelessness. When there are social problems, communists blame those problems on how society is organized. They seek to organize society to bring out the best in people, however flawed the species may be.
Except in tribal societies, no communist leader* has ever claimed that a society has achieved communism yet. That means the industrial societies of our time have either lived in capitalism or socialism.

It all just makes me want to study and learn to find out what it takes to set up a society superior to capitalism (which I’ve come to loathe.)

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2974 Chris H. Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:24:15 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2974 Thanks?! Thanks?!

]]> By: Idetrorce http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2978 Idetrorce Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:02:39 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2978 very interesting, but I don't agree with you Idetrorce very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
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]]> By: Antibush http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2007/01/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2981 Antibush Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:04:31 +0000 http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/%e2%80%9cmy-husband-is-a-socialist%e2%80%9d/#comment-2981 Bush and the Republicans were not protecting us on 9-11, and we aren't a lot safer now. We may be more afraid due to george bush, but are we safer? Being fearful does not necessarily make one safer. Fear can cause people to hide and cower. What do you think? Is killing thousands of innocent civilians okay when you are doing a little government makeover? Are we safer today than we were before? The more people that the government puts in jails, the safer we are told to think we are. The real terrorists are wherever they are, but they aren't living in a country with bars on the windows. We are. Bush and the Republicans were not protecting us on 9-11, and we aren’t a lot safer now. We may be more afraid due to george bush, but are we safer? Being fearful does not necessarily make one safer. Fear can cause people to hide and cower. What do you think? Is killing thousands of innocent civilians okay when you are doing a little government makeover?
Are we safer today than we were before?
The more people that the government puts in jails, the safer we are told to think we are. The real terrorists are wherever they are, but they aren’t living in a country with bars on the windows. We are.

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