Comments on: Women as the True Disciples and Apostles of Christ in the Gospel of Mark http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/ Exploring Mormon Thought, Culture, and Texts Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:35:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: The Yellow Dart http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6951 The Yellow Dart Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:15:43 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6951 m&m, Nothing you said really interacts in any specific way with what the post says. Feel free to have your friend participate here if she/he is interested! Best wishes, TYD m&m,

Nothing you said really interacts in any specific way with what the post says. Feel free to have your friend participate here if she/he is interested!

Best wishes,

TYD

]]> By: m&m http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6950 m&m Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:54:10 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6950 I sent this to a good friend who is a feminist, who has also studied women in the scriptures extensively, and she pointed out that this all goes a bit extreme -- in the sense of making women <i>better</i> than the apostles. I think she makes good points, and so while I really did like the ideas of how much women were involved and how dedicated they were, I agree with my friend that it's probably looking beyond the mark a bit to say that the women were better than the apostles. I hadn't noticed that as much the first time I read. I sent this to a good friend who is a feminist, who has also studied women in the scriptures extensively, and she pointed out that this all goes a bit extreme — in the sense of making women better than the apostles.

I think she makes good points, and so while I really did like the ideas of how much women were involved and how dedicated they were, I agree with my friend that it’s probably looking beyond the mark a bit to say that the women were better than the apostles. I hadn’t noticed that as much the first time I read.

]]> By: jondh http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6949 jondh Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:48:18 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6949 I would also add that historicity is beside the point in this case. Whether or not women really were the first witnesses of the resurrection (I think they were) or whether they really were more receptive than the twelve (if this is true then Mark probably overstates this), the point is that Mark makes a valid theological point about women being spiritually receptive. It's not what women really did with Jesus but how women respond to the gospel message and their function in the kingdom of God. I would also add that historicity is beside the point in this case. Whether or not women really were the first witnesses of the resurrection (I think they were) or whether they really were more receptive than the twelve (if this is true then Mark probably overstates this), the point is that Mark makes a valid theological point about women being spiritually receptive. It’s not what women really did with Jesus but how women respond to the gospel message and their function in the kingdom of God.

]]> By: The Yellow Dart http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6948 The Yellow Dart Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:36:48 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6948 JTJ, I just listened to the relevant sections of Professor Ehrman's statements from the link that you have provided. I don't have much time at present so I will be brief. My initial reaction to what Professor Ehrman has said would be to suggest that the list of resurrection witnesses that Paul adduces in 1 Corinthians 15.3-7--which list contains no mention of the female witnesses of the resurrection, as Ehrman states--is a formulaic or stereotyped list that would have been used by Paul and other early Christian missionaries in their public proclamation(s) of the gospel message, and for this reason would most likely have kept women witnesses off of the list since in such public proclamation situations a woman's testimony would have had little validity or credibility to many listeners. I think it is also historically significant that all of the gospels have a woman/women as first witness(es) of the tomb and resurrection. This is significant because both the Synoptic Gospels and John, which are literarily independent of one another, both contain this tradition. Best wishes, TYD JTJ,

I just listened to the relevant sections of Professor Ehrman’s statements from the link that you have provided.

I don’t have much time at present so I will be brief. My initial reaction to what Professor Ehrman has said would be to suggest that the list of resurrection witnesses that Paul adduces in 1 Corinthians 15.3-7–which list contains no mention of the female witnesses of the resurrection, as Ehrman states–is a formulaic or stereotyped list that would have been used by Paul and other early Christian missionaries in their public proclamation(s) of the gospel message, and for this reason would most likely have kept women witnesses off of the list since in such public proclamation situations a woman’s testimony would have had little validity or credibility to many listeners. I think it is also historically significant that all of the gospels have a woman/women as first witness(es) of the tomb and resurrection. This is significant because both the Synoptic Gospels and John, which are literarily independent of one another, both contain this tradition.

Best wishes,

TYD

]]> By: JTJ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6947 JTJ Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:39:23 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6947 TYD, how do you counter the argument from Ehrman regarding Mark's motif of using women as figures used to emphasize theology and not as actual historical figures. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCrqLs2aJs&feature=related around 3:30 into the debate for the intro, and around 5:00 for Ehrman's comments. TYD, how do you counter the argument from Ehrman regarding Mark’s motif of using women as figures used to emphasize theology and not as actual historical figures. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCrqLs2aJs&feature=related around 3:30 into the debate for the intro, and around 5:00 for Ehrman’s comments.

]]> By: David G. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6946 David G. Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:34:33 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6946 <i>Those who are the farthest from the center of religious and political power, the slaves, the children, the gentiles, the women, become the paradigms of true discipleship.</i> Me gusta means I like it. Thanks TYD. Those who are the farthest from the center of religious and political power, the slaves, the children, the gentiles, the women, become the paradigms of true discipleship.

Me gusta means I like it. Thanks TYD.

]]> By: m&m http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6945 m&m Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:20:58 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6945 Beautiful post. Thank you. Beautiful post. Thank you.

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/06/women-as-the-true-disciples-and-first-apostles-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark/#comment-6944 Chris H. Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:28:58 +0000 http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/?p=2052#comment-6944 Women still are the true disciples. Thanks TYD. Women still are the true disciples.

Thanks TYD.

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