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	<title>Comments on: My Thomas Marsh Experience</title>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7264</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wouldn’t that make Chris H. a “just man made perfect”?&quot;

Yes....yes it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wouldn’t that make Chris H. a “just man made perfect”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;.yes it would.</p>
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		<title>By: palad</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7263</link>
		<dc:creator>palad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TT -

You really need the next couple of verses as well -

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear— 
  7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message. 
  8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. 

Wouldn&#039;t that make Chris H. a &quot;just man made perfect&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT -</p>
<p>You really need the next couple of verses as well -</p>
<p>6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—<br />
  7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.<br />
  8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that make Chris H. a &#8220;just man made perfect&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg R</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7262</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first presidency&#039;s story reminds me of one of my favorite stories on this subject.   I always refer to it as &quot;killing the branch presidents pigs&quot;.   

Its starts in the middle of this talk by John H. Groberg
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=33d6615b01a6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first presidency&#8217;s story reminds me of one of my favorite stories on this subject.   I always refer to it as &#8220;killing the branch presidents pigs&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Its starts in the middle of this talk by John H. Groberg<br />
<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=33d6615b01a6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&#038;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" rel="nofollow">http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=33d6615b01a6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&#038;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shelia Cosper</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7261</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelia Cosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need more information on The Watchers.  I&#039;m writing a book of fiction about early Adamic times and feel like I need to include the Watchers, but  it is difficult finding a clear definition of them.

Any help would be appreciated.

thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need more information on The Watchers.  I&#8217;m writing a book of fiction about early Adamic times and feel like I need to include the Watchers, but  it is difficult finding a clear definition of them.</p>
<p>Any help would be appreciated.</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every cow in the world is offended that you refer to the Marsh story as a &quot;milk&quot; story.  Because cows save the best for last, and the &quot;strippings&quot; are the cream.

That stuff that comes first, skim milk basically, is only good for pigs and women who think their bodies at 40 should be shaped as they were at 14.  And skim milk isn&#039;t worth fighting about, much less losing your church membership.  

Cream, on the other hand, might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every cow in the world is offended that you refer to the Marsh story as a &#8220;milk&#8221; story.  Because cows save the best for last, and the &#8220;strippings&#8221; are the cream.</p>
<p>That stuff that comes first, skim milk basically, is only good for pigs and women who think their bodies at 40 should be shaped as they were at 14.  And skim milk isn&#8217;t worth fighting about, much less losing your church membership.  </p>
<p>Cream, on the other hand, might be.</p>
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		<title>By: The Yellow Dart</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7259</link>
		<dc:creator>The Yellow Dart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Alice in Chains even more than Nirvana, Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Alice in Chains even more than Nirvana, Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7258</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, crap. Good thing I am not in anyway claiming to be an angel. Hey, section 129 does not account for swine flu.

I am pretty sure that where I live the Nirvana blasting from the car stereo with the Obama sticker on the bumper is sufficient sign to most that I am from Satan (that I am also EQP and teach at BYU-Idaho probably just adds confusion to the situation).

Back on topic: I think the Marsh story is helpful,no matter how we tell it, if we use it to help ourselves stay true to the gospel. We miss the point if we use it (or similar stories) to dismiss the reasons that others have followed Marsh&#039;s path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, crap. Good thing I am not in anyway claiming to be an angel. Hey, section 129 does not account for swine flu.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that where I live the Nirvana blasting from the car stereo with the Obama sticker on the bumper is sufficient sign to most that I am from Satan (that I am also EQP and teach at BYU-Idaho probably just adds confusion to the situation).</p>
<p>Back on topic: I think the Marsh story is helpful,no matter how we tell it, if we use it to help ourselves stay true to the gospel. We miss the point if we use it (or similar stories) to dismiss the reasons that others have followed Marsh&#8217;s path.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7257</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris H.,
It also happens to be a clear sign that you are from Satan:

D&amp;C 129: 4-5, 7-8
  4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
  5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris H.,<br />
It also happens to be a clear sign that you are from Satan:</p>
<p>D&amp;C 129: 4-5, 7-8<br />
  4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.<br />
  5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7256</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not shaking hands is a good public health measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not shaking hands is a good public health measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2009/07/my-thomas-marsh-experience/#comment-7255</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floyd, FWIW, the Sunday I was called as EQP, I received a phone call from
 someone as soon as I got home. He proceeded to lay into me because I hadn&#039;t shaken his hand. He didn&#039;t care that I hadn&#039;t shaken anyone&#039;s hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floyd, FWIW, the Sunday I was called as EQP, I received a phone call from<br />
 someone as soon as I got home. He proceeded to lay into me because I hadn&#8217;t shaken his hand. He didn&#8217;t care that I hadn&#8217;t shaken anyone&#8217;s hand.</p>
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