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	<title>Comments on: A Student Comment on Social Justice, Rawls, and Chris H.</title>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: Blake redeems me in many ways. Of course, I like to think that I played a part in him becoming a conservative communitarian (since he was once a conservative libertarian).

Of course, I am a smug prick. Not a twit. Any intellectual torture here was self-imposed. Comments 16 and 33 come from students in the same class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: Blake redeems me in many ways. Of course, I like to think that I played a part in him becoming a conservative communitarian (since he was once a conservative libertarian).</p>
<p>Of course, I am a smug prick. Not a twit. Any intellectual torture here was self-imposed. Comments 16 and 33 come from students in the same class.</p>
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		<title>By: John Swenson Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Swenson Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Prof. H, post #31 redeems you in my opinion.  Until that point all I got out of the OP and most of the resulting responses was that there seemed to be many smug twits congratulating each other on the intellectual torture of random students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Prof. H, post #31 redeems you in my opinion.  Until that point all I got out of the OP and most of the resulting responses was that there seemed to be many smug twits congratulating each other on the intellectual torture of random students.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally missed the Brandon Sanderson reference...if he is not a political philosopher, I would miss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally missed the Brandon Sanderson reference&#8230;if he is not a political philosopher, I would miss it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aeriim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeriim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m can&#039;t decide whether it&#039;s awesome that he used Brandon Sanderson&#039;s writing as an analogy, or disgusting that he would shame his work in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m can&#8217;t decide whether it&#8217;s awesome that he used Brandon Sanderson&#8217;s writing as an analogy, or disgusting that he would shame his work in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean that in a good way, friendly ribbing is what I consider to be a sign of respect towards the person, that though they two might not agree that there exists a friendly aknowledgment of mutual maturity and acceptence.

If there weren&#039;t jokes and ribbing then, to me, the class would have felt cold and you&#039;d have seemed disinterested towards the students.  That you took the time to mock without being mean meant that you cared enough about the student to learn what jokes to tell.

Its also how I can get away with saying things like: of course you&#039;re an affront, all godless communists are. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean that in a good way, friendly ribbing is what I consider to be a sign of respect towards the person, that though they two might not agree that there exists a friendly aknowledgment of mutual maturity and acceptence.</p>
<p>If there weren&#8217;t jokes and ribbing then, to me, the class would have felt cold and you&#8217;d have seemed disinterested towards the students.  That you took the time to mock without being mean meant that you cared enough about the student to learn what jokes to tell.</p>
<p>Its also how I can get away with saying things like: of course you&#8217;re an affront, all godless communists are. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Wester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to BYU.  I was in this exact class. It this type of &quot;if you don&#039;t mesh with what I think it is affront to God&quot; mindset makes this type of class very important to Provo.

Chris is an excellent professor, teacher and person.

Proof?  His class was at 8am and I never missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to BYU.  I was in this exact class. It this type of &#8220;if you don&#8217;t mesh with what I think it is affront to God&#8221; mindset makes this type of class very important to Provo.</p>
<p>Chris is an excellent professor, teacher and person.</p>
<p>Proof?  His class was at 8am and I never missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Never in his classes did I ever see him alienate, humiliate, or castigate a student in anyway that could be viewed as unfriendly.&quot;

See... i only alienate in a friendly manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Never in his classes did I ever see him alienate, humiliate, or castigate a student in anyway that could be viewed as unfriendly.&#8221;</p>
<p>See&#8230; i only alienate in a friendly manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former student of Prof./Bro. Henrichsen&#039;s (BYU-I), I&#039;d like to say a few words:

I&#039;m not a liberal, and only Libertarians would mistake me for such.  I was one of the most vocal members of the College Republicans (whether they wanted me to be or not), I interned for the most conservative member of Congress, and since graduation I&#039;ve worked with or been offered jobs with numerous conservative candidates and elected officials in Arizona.  Ideologically, I&#039;m a conservative communitarian.

I&#039;ve taken numerous classes with Prof. H, as a result of my being a PoliSci major, and while my experiences would lead me to suggest that the student in the OP is batshit insane, I believe such would be a slander to the batshit of the world (which, due to its usefulness in explosives, has a reputation that should be preserved).

Never in his classes did I ever see him alienate, humiliate, or castigate a student in anyway that could be viewed as unfriendly.  As a frequent instigator of distracting conversation, whether advocating the establishment of minimum wage or encouraging gun ownership by all, I often found myself on the receiving end of his jokes about the other side of the aisle, but never was it anything but in good fun.

Of course his opinion entered the classroom, that&#039;s the point of college.  If I want to get a text book definition of an oligarchy I&#039;d read a dictionary, if I wanted to know Rawls&#039; theories I&#039;d read his books.  Attending a University political class isn&#039;t about getting a sterile understanding of the political process anymore than listening to Rush is about getting unbiased objective reporting.  To paraphrase Good Will Hunting, you can get that much easier and cheaper at a library.

University is a place of debate, discussion, reason, rhetoric, questioning, and seeking answers.  It is a place where you seek out those who have gone before, listen to what they have to say as you personally study what they themselves did, then extract what wisdom you can while building your own opinion.

The student claims their ideas were never allowed discussion, that contrary views never given voice.  This claim is so absurdly foreign from my experience in Henrichsen&#039;s classes, where the majority of classes were often spent discussing and debating the writings and issues raised by Chris, that it is difficult to not dismiss them outright.

Rather, it seems likely to me that the student never attempted to speak up about their own views, never gathered the courage and fortitude to stand up to an authority figure and raise an objection, or simply found their own views so challenged that they felt the need to attack the speaker rather than having the intellectual honesty to confront the claims of the message.  This student seems upset that their echo chamber was broken, that perhaps they might have to actually think about something other than the opinions they previously held, and is trying desperately to insulate themselves from outside thought.

As a conservative, Republican Mormon I can&#039;t help but think that the student and I would agree on many political and religious points.  But, like an embarrassed protester standing next to an unabashed racist, I can&#039;t help but feel a desire to distance myself from reasoning that makes me look bad by comparison.

To the student: grow up, learn to act like an adult and you&#039;ll learn that others were expecting you to be one all along.  To Bro. Henrichsen: rock on, we might not agree on much, but you&#039;re the kind of professor that the BYU&#039;s desperately need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former student of Prof./Bro. Henrichsen&#8217;s (BYU-I), I&#8217;d like to say a few words:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a liberal, and only Libertarians would mistake me for such.  I was one of the most vocal members of the College Republicans (whether they wanted me to be or not), I interned for the most conservative member of Congress, and since graduation I&#8217;ve worked with or been offered jobs with numerous conservative candidates and elected officials in Arizona.  Ideologically, I&#8217;m a conservative communitarian.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken numerous classes with Prof. H, as a result of my being a PoliSci major, and while my experiences would lead me to suggest that the student in the OP is batshit insane, I believe such would be a slander to the batshit of the world (which, due to its usefulness in explosives, has a reputation that should be preserved).</p>
<p>Never in his classes did I ever see him alienate, humiliate, or castigate a student in anyway that could be viewed as unfriendly.  As a frequent instigator of distracting conversation, whether advocating the establishment of minimum wage or encouraging gun ownership by all, I often found myself on the receiving end of his jokes about the other side of the aisle, but never was it anything but in good fun.</p>
<p>Of course his opinion entered the classroom, that&#8217;s the point of college.  If I want to get a text book definition of an oligarchy I&#8217;d read a dictionary, if I wanted to know Rawls&#8217; theories I&#8217;d read his books.  Attending a University political class isn&#8217;t about getting a sterile understanding of the political process anymore than listening to Rush is about getting unbiased objective reporting.  To paraphrase Good Will Hunting, you can get that much easier and cheaper at a library.</p>
<p>University is a place of debate, discussion, reason, rhetoric, questioning, and seeking answers.  It is a place where you seek out those who have gone before, listen to what they have to say as you personally study what they themselves did, then extract what wisdom you can while building your own opinion.</p>
<p>The student claims their ideas were never allowed discussion, that contrary views never given voice.  This claim is so absurdly foreign from my experience in Henrichsen&#8217;s classes, where the majority of classes were often spent discussing and debating the writings and issues raised by Chris, that it is difficult to not dismiss them outright.</p>
<p>Rather, it seems likely to me that the student never attempted to speak up about their own views, never gathered the courage and fortitude to stand up to an authority figure and raise an objection, or simply found their own views so challenged that they felt the need to attack the speaker rather than having the intellectual honesty to confront the claims of the message.  This student seems upset that their echo chamber was broken, that perhaps they might have to actually think about something other than the opinions they previously held, and is trying desperately to insulate themselves from outside thought.</p>
<p>As a conservative, Republican Mormon I can&#8217;t help but think that the student and I would agree on many political and religious points.  But, like an embarrassed protester standing next to an unabashed racist, I can&#8217;t help but feel a desire to distance myself from reasoning that makes me look bad by comparison.</p>
<p>To the student: grow up, learn to act like an adult and you&#8217;ll learn that others were expecting you to be one all along.  To Bro. Henrichsen: rock on, we might not agree on much, but you&#8217;re the kind of professor that the BYU&#8217;s desperately need.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, will the bosses at the Community College care whether you appreciate the difference between “lack of interest” and “disinterest”? : )&quot;

Shut up, Mark.

The extreme excess of sarcasm shows that I taught her all that I know and something stuck. I prefer that the Rawls sticks, but I will take what I can get (set with a wink, chill everyone).

If oudenos is correct, I must have succeeded. Heck, I am not even ready for BCC and T&amp;S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, will the bosses at the Community College care whether you appreciate the difference between “lack of interest” and “disinterest”? : )&#8221;</p>
<p>Shut up, Mark.</p>
<p>The extreme excess of sarcasm shows that I taught her all that I know and something stuck. I prefer that the Rawls sticks, but I will take what I can get (set with a wink, chill everyone).</p>
<p>If oudenos is correct, I must have succeeded. Heck, I am not even ready for BCC and T&amp;S.</p>
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		<title>By: oudenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>oudenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;extreme excess of sarcasm and insults suggests that he is not evaluating, but is engaged in some sort of personal vendetta and grandstanding.&quot;

Sounds like this kid is ready for the big league: BCC, T&amp;S, WATCH OUT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;extreme excess of sarcasm and insults suggests that he is not evaluating, but is engaged in some sort of personal vendetta and grandstanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like this kid is ready for the big league: BCC, T&amp;S, WATCH OUT!</p>
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