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	<title>Comments on: Tips on landing a job in religion, #1</title>
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		<title>By: SmallAxe</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2010/07/tips-on-landing-a-job-in-religion-1/#comment-12363</link>
		<dc:creator>SmallAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to the publishing issue, I should say that there is some discussion about &quot;quantity&quot; vs. &quot;quality&quot;. Some schools want 2-3 published pieces in top tier journals and a monograph in order for an assistant prof to be a series contender for tenure. Others want several published pieces in respected places, but are less concerned about where they appear. &quot;Top tier&quot;, of course, depends on one&#039;s field (or subfield), but usually these journals have acceptance rates of 15% or less and are blind peer reviewed. At some universities, so I&#039;ve heard, contributions to edited volumes or published articles in second tier journals won&#039;t even be counted toward tenure.

Since tenure packets are due at the beginning of the 5th year, this might mean publishing 1 or 2 articles based off the dissertation during the first couple of years on the job; turning the dissertation into a book during the first 3 years with the book coming out in year 4 or 5; and doing another article or 2 (on a new topic) during year 4 and 5.

This is, admittedly, a practical approach with tenure in mind.

There are other issues, though, that relate to the quantity vs. quality debate. The argument for quality is that people are busy and might only give you 1 chance. If you publish something that isn&#039;t quite ready or good, others in the field might not read things you come to write in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the publishing issue, I should say that there is some discussion about &#8220;quantity&#8221; vs. &#8220;quality&#8221;. Some schools want 2-3 published pieces in top tier journals and a monograph in order for an assistant prof to be a series contender for tenure. Others want several published pieces in respected places, but are less concerned about where they appear. &#8220;Top tier&#8221;, of course, depends on one&#8217;s field (or subfield), but usually these journals have acceptance rates of 15% or less and are blind peer reviewed. At some universities, so I&#8217;ve heard, contributions to edited volumes or published articles in second tier journals won&#8217;t even be counted toward tenure.</p>
<p>Since tenure packets are due at the beginning of the 5th year, this might mean publishing 1 or 2 articles based off the dissertation during the first couple of years on the job; turning the dissertation into a book during the first 3 years with the book coming out in year 4 or 5; and doing another article or 2 (on a new topic) during year 4 and 5.</p>
<p>This is, admittedly, a practical approach with tenure in mind.</p>
<p>There are other issues, though, that relate to the quantity vs. quality debate. The argument for quality is that people are busy and might only give you 1 chance. If you publish something that isn&#8217;t quite ready or good, others in the field might not read things you come to write in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: altar_ego</title>
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		<dc:creator>altar_ego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lincoln, for sharing your experience.

I have heard that the Religious Ed college is only giving out one-years these days to try people out before giving them BYU&#039;s version of a &quot;tenure&quot;-track appointment. Did you receive a CFS (&quot;tenure-track&quot;) appointment, or did they make you go through the one-year process too? Either way, can you comment on whether or not this seems to be the (troubling) way of the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lincoln, for sharing your experience.</p>
<p>I have heard that the Religious Ed college is only giving out one-years these days to try people out before giving them BYU&#8217;s version of a &#8220;tenure&#8221;-track appointment. Did you receive a CFS (&#8220;tenure-track&#8221;) appointment, or did they make you go through the one-year process too? Either way, can you comment on whether or not this seems to be the (troubling) way of the future?</p>
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		<title>By: g.wesley</title>
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		<dc:creator>g.wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Kevin. Someone should take this up in a post. It would be nice to hear from those who have been through the peer review process in Biblical and related studies.

My sense is that the basic process is not really all that different from, say, Journal of Mormon History. The journals do not make it a point of asking for academic credentials. Though it is no doubt generally assumed that a potential author has them. During the review process, as I understand it, manuscripts are judged strictly on their own merits by &#039;blind&#039; peers. To get to that point, however, I think the manuscript is first screened by someone like the general editor of the journal. That person would have the author&#039;s contact info, of course, and could find out and/or infer (from glancing at the submission) whether the author is credentialled or equivalent. It can&#039;t hurt to know (someone who has a connection with) that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Kevin. Someone should take this up in a post. It would be nice to hear from those who have been through the peer review process in Biblical and related studies.</p>
<p>My sense is that the basic process is not really all that different from, say, Journal of Mormon History. The journals do not make it a point of asking for academic credentials. Though it is no doubt generally assumed that a potential author has them. During the review process, as I understand it, manuscripts are judged strictly on their own merits by &#8216;blind&#8217; peers. To get to that point, however, I think the manuscript is first screened by someone like the general editor of the journal. That person would have the author&#8217;s contact info, of course, and could find out and/or infer (from glancing at the submission) whether the author is credentialled or equivalent. It can&#8217;t hurt to know (someone who has a connection with) that person.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln or others, I would like to second g. wesley&#039;s question.  I publish a lot in LDS journals, but like g. I have sometimes fantasized about publishing in a non-LDS journal.  What is the process like?  Does not having an academic affiliation matter?  What have your peer review experiences been like?

Actually, I would think this is an important enough question that someone at FPR (or a guest) should make it a separate post.  I know I would be very interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln or others, I would like to second g. wesley&#8217;s question.  I publish a lot in LDS journals, but like g. I have sometimes fantasized about publishing in a non-LDS journal.  What is the process like?  Does not having an academic affiliation matter?  What have your peer review experiences been like?</p>
<p>Actually, I would think this is an important enough question that someone at FPR (or a guest) should make it a separate post.  I know I would be very interested.</p>
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		<title>By: g.wesley</title>
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		<dc:creator>g.wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for sharing your experience and advice, Lincoln.

I often fantasize of getting something published in Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik. I see that you have several pieces there. Besides producing solid MSS that they would want to publish, did you do anything special to accomplish that? Or did you just send in your work cold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for sharing your experience and advice, Lincoln.</p>
<p>I often fantasize of getting something published in Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik. I see that you have several pieces there. Besides producing solid MSS that they would want to publish, did you do anything special to accomplish that? Or did you just send in your work cold?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g. wesley: Thanks for putting this together.

Lincoln: Thanks for you insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g. wesley: Thanks for putting this together.</p>
<p>Lincoln: Thanks for you insights.</p>
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		<title>By: SmallAxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmallAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for responding. It&#039;s good to know that Religious Education is so supportive.

I also want to pose a question I know many LDS graduate students have thought about. Perhaps you have some insight on this.

The recent hires at RelEd have been trained academically in disciplines more relevant to religion. This seems to be a trend likely to continue. How do you think this new generation will change the identity of RelEd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for responding. It&#8217;s good to know that Religious Education is so supportive.</p>
<p>I also want to pose a question I know many LDS graduate students have thought about. Perhaps you have some insight on this.</p>
<p>The recent hires at RelEd have been trained academically in disciplines more relevant to religion. This seems to be a trend likely to continue. How do you think this new generation will change the identity of RelEd?</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Blumell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln Blumell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the question about publishing in the Department of Ancient Scripture at BYU I would say that it is becoming increasingly valued.  As part of my hire I was given the distinct impression that I needed to pursue a research agenda measured by publications, which by the way I am anxious to do.  To back this up BYU has been very supportive thus far with providing funding so that I can present papers at scholarly venues.  I will be presenting in Geneva next month at the Congress of Papyrology and in Atlanta in November at the SBL.  However, having said that, I have found a very strong emphasis on teaching in the Department.  While I would say (based on my limited experience to date) that teaching is the most important, there is definitely a move toward more emphasis on publishing though not to the determent of teaching.  Also, as part of this move my impression is that there also appears to be a push to publish outside of just LDS venues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the question about publishing in the Department of Ancient Scripture at BYU I would say that it is becoming increasingly valued.  As part of my hire I was given the distinct impression that I needed to pursue a research agenda measured by publications, which by the way I am anxious to do.  To back this up BYU has been very supportive thus far with providing funding so that I can present papers at scholarly venues.  I will be presenting in Geneva next month at the Congress of Papyrology and in Atlanta in November at the SBL.  However, having said that, I have found a very strong emphasis on teaching in the Department.  While I would say (based on my limited experience to date) that teaching is the most important, there is definitely a move toward more emphasis on publishing though not to the determent of teaching.  Also, as part of this move my impression is that there also appears to be a push to publish outside of just LDS venues.</p>
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		<title>By: SmallAxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmallAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lincoln. Thanks for this. If I understand correctly, you&#039;re in the Ancient Scripture Department at BYU. Is that right? If so, would you mind commenting on how publications are valued in the department. My sense is that teaching is the primary focus, and while a publication or two might be helpful for continuing status or promotion, what&#039;s done in the classroom is on the forefront of people&#039;s minds.

&lt;i&gt; Likewise, my advice is that you should not take more than 5 or 6 years to finish your PhD otherwise potential employers will want to know why you have taken so long to finish and they may have suspicions about whether you will be able to meet deadlines as an employee. &lt;/i&gt;

Part of this may vary by institution or department. In the departments I&#039;m familiar with, for instance, I don&#039;t know anyone who finished in less than 6 years. I think I read an AAR publication a little while back claiming an average of 7 years according to their calculations. In any case, I think the general point is well taken--taking too long to finish up can look bad when on the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lincoln. Thanks for this. If I understand correctly, you&#8217;re in the Ancient Scripture Department at BYU. Is that right? If so, would you mind commenting on how publications are valued in the department. My sense is that teaching is the primary focus, and while a publication or two might be helpful for continuing status or promotion, what&#8217;s done in the classroom is on the forefront of people&#8217;s minds.</p>
<p><i> Likewise, my advice is that you should not take more than 5 or 6 years to finish your PhD otherwise potential employers will want to know why you have taken so long to finish and they may have suspicions about whether you will be able to meet deadlines as an employee. </i></p>
<p>Part of this may vary by institution or department. In the departments I&#8217;m familiar with, for instance, I don&#8217;t know anyone who finished in less than 6 years. I think I read an AAR publication a little while back claiming an average of 7 years according to their calculations. In any case, I think the general point is well taken&#8211;taking too long to finish up can look bad when on the market.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great new series and a great start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great new series and a great start!</p>
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