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	<title>Comments on: 20 Things That Christians Do in Church That Annoy Me</title>
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		<title>By: Dmagui</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/02/11/20-things-that-christians-do-in-church-that-annoy-me/#comment-826161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmagui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, my personal views cannot be &#039;wrong&#039; and in fact it is your view that is the more recent and least based in Christian tradition. I am in fact well versed in biblical interpretation. And the Catholic catechism (again, I state, the most prevalent christian denomination) states: &#039;The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies 
          is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, 
          constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, 
          compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in 
          their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill 
          God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the 
          sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from 
          their condition.&#039;The BIBLE may speak repeatedly of God&#039;s wrath and anger, and perhaps (as you state) more often than his love, but the Gospel speaks almost solely of God&#039;s compassion and love for his people. God loves everyone and no one is beyond redemption. The commonly accepted problem with homosexuality is that it closes the act of sex to include only pleasure without the possibility of conception, and any act that does this is viewed as intrinsically disordered and unnatural in the eyes of the Catholic church. It is not a sin to be a homosexual, it is sinful to commit homosexual acts as it is to masturbate and use condoms. Allegory with regards to the Old Testament has been accepted as a practice since the very beginning of the Christian tradition. The Old Testament should not be read literally, otherwise we would all behave as fundamentalist Jews. Not that there is anything wrong with this, it is just commonly accepted that it is ok to &#039;allegorise&#039; and ignore texts that are prescriptive with regards to eating habits and personal appearance. Paul&#039;s letters are another case in point. Although the Lord may have spoken through Paul, he is nonetheless not the Christ and therefore he himself is imperfect. Should we read his words as on a par with the Logos?In the end it is the prerogative of the individual to hold their own opinions, and your decision to read the bible literally without the interpretation I believe is required to understand the subtleties and nuances of the word of the Lord is perfectly fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, my personal views cannot be &#8216;wrong&#8217; and in fact it is your view that is the more recent and least based in Christian tradition. I am in fact well versed in biblical interpretation. And the Catholic catechism (again, I state, the most prevalent christian denomination) states: &#8216;The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies<br />
          is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered,<br />
          constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect,<br />
          compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in<br />
          their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill<br />
          God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the<br />
          sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from<br />
          their condition.&#8217;The BIBLE may speak repeatedly of God&#8217;s wrath and anger, and perhaps (as you state) more often than his love, but the Gospel speaks almost solely of God&#8217;s compassion and love for his people. God loves everyone and no one is beyond redemption. The commonly accepted problem with homosexuality is that it closes the act of sex to include only pleasure without the possibility of conception, and any act that does this is viewed as intrinsically disordered and unnatural in the eyes of the Catholic church. It is not a sin to be a homosexual, it is sinful to commit homosexual acts as it is to masturbate and use condoms. Allegory with regards to the Old Testament has been accepted as a practice since the very beginning of the Christian tradition. The Old Testament should not be read literally, otherwise we would all behave as fundamentalist Jews. Not that there is anything wrong with this, it is just commonly accepted that it is ok to &#8216;allegorise&#8217; and ignore texts that are prescriptive with regards to eating habits and personal appearance. Paul&#8217;s letters are another case in point. Although the Lord may have spoken through Paul, he is nonetheless not the Christ and therefore he himself is imperfect. Should we read his words as on a par with the Logos?In the end it is the prerogative of the individual to hold their own opinions, and your decision to read the bible literally without the interpretation I believe is required to understand the subtleties and nuances of the word of the Lord is perfectly fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Worshipper65</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worshipper65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The catholic church is not right with GOD. They have a skewed doctine. Think about this. The catholic church has all kinds of prayers and special services and all kinds of rules and regulations but they don&#039;t really live purified lives. They are our modern day Pharisees. If Jesus were here today he would likely rebuke the catholic church the same way as the Pharisees.If you want a clear understanding of how Jesus felt about the Pharisees, read Matthew 23:1-36. The pharisees are legalistic like the catholic church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The catholic church is not right with GOD. They have a skewed doctine. Think about this. The catholic church has all kinds of prayers and special services and all kinds of rules and regulations but they don&#8217;t really live purified lives. They are our modern day Pharisees. If Jesus were here today he would likely rebuke the catholic church the same way as the Pharisees.If you want a clear understanding of how Jesus felt about the Pharisees, read Matthew 23:1-36. The pharisees are legalistic like the catholic church.</p>
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		<title>By: Worshipper65</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worshipper65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is clearly against Homosexuality. You either don&#039;t read your bible or don&#039;t want to accept what&#039;s in it. We are supposed to believe every single word of the bible.  And Homosexuality can only be justified if you &quot;Allegorize&quot; everything. GOD is not just loving by the way. In fact, The bible speaks of GODs mighty wrath more than his love. But a shallow christian can&#039;t accept that, because he is not really saved but is instead under the false security of the Doctrine of Evil. He just wants to be told that he is ok and he can carry on. That&#039;s what Homo&#039;s are after. They want to be accepted. Evolution also can only be justified by &quot;allegorizing&quot; everything as well. It is clear that he made everything in 6 days then he rested on the 7th. There is nothing allegorical about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is clearly against Homosexuality. You either don&#8217;t read your bible or don&#8217;t want to accept what&#8217;s in it. We are supposed to believe every single word of the bible.  And Homosexuality can only be justified if you &#8220;Allegorize&#8221; everything. GOD is not just loving by the way. In fact, The bible speaks of GODs mighty wrath more than his love. But a shallow christian can&#8217;t accept that, because he is not really saved but is instead under the false security of the Doctrine of Evil. He just wants to be told that he is ok and he can carry on. That&#8217;s what Homo&#8217;s are after. They want to be accepted. Evolution also can only be justified by &#8220;allegorizing&#8221; everything as well. It is clear that he made everything in 6 days then he rested on the 7th. There is nothing allegorical about that.</p>
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		<title>By: collette davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>collette davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m christian but don&#039;t have a church and do read the bible. I agree with the point of all non-christians need to be saved. I have athiest friends and catholic friends who do fine without been &quot;christian&quot; or what they consider to be christian. I left the first baptist church I was at for variouse reasons and one of those  reasons was catholic bashing, mainly cause I&#039;m ex-catholic and all my family and most of my friends are catholic.

The other issue that bothered me was &quot;God spoke to me today&quot; I hated everytime I heard that.  In sunday school, there was this one women and everything the preachers wife said she listened very closely and when it was over, she would announce how god spoke to her and this was every sunday. The pastors wife was an actually better preacher than the pastor. But still one week I was bored out of my mind and was drifting in and out of daydreams and she was seemed to be going on and on comparing god to mowing your lawn and I looked over at this women. Listening like she was being giving instruction on how to detetinate a bomb and just felt how rediculas this hole thing was. Other stuff like one of the workers was 29 and planning to move out of her perents house and she was saying &quot; does the lord want me to live in the city with all the restaurants or to stay near my perents?&quot; I felt like saying to her &quot;move out, just move out&quot; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m christian but don&#8217;t have a church and do read the bible. I agree with the point of all non-christians need to be saved. I have athiest friends and catholic friends who do fine without been &#8220;christian&#8221; or what they consider to be christian. I left the first baptist church I was at for variouse reasons and one of those  reasons was catholic bashing, mainly cause I&#8217;m ex-catholic and all my family and most of my friends are catholic.</p>
<p>The other issue that bothered me was &#8220;God spoke to me today&#8221; I hated everytime I heard that.  In sunday school, there was this one women and everything the preachers wife said she listened very closely and when it was over, she would announce how god spoke to her and this was every sunday. The pastors wife was an actually better preacher than the pastor. But still one week I was bored out of my mind and was drifting in and out of daydreams and she was seemed to be going on and on comparing god to mowing your lawn and I looked over at this women. Listening like she was being giving instruction on how to detetinate a bomb and just felt how rediculas this hole thing was. Other stuff like one of the workers was 29 and planning to move out of her perents house and she was saying &#8221; does the lord want me to live in the city with all the restaurants or to stay near my perents?&#8221; I felt like saying to her &#8220;move out, just move out&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dmagui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmagui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does annoy me (directed at Kat). It is not almost impossible and I think you&#039;ll find that the majority of the largest Christian denomination on earth (Catholicism) believe that evolution occurred and that most of Genesis (and indeed much of the Old Testament) is allegorical. Look up &#039;exegesis&#039;, it&#039;s a concept mainly found in Judaism but practiced to a large extent in many other faiths. God certainly did not &#039;say&#039; that he was &quot;winding the clock&quot; because the concept of speech or indeed any form of communication familiar to us is quite possibly not applicable to God, as the very idea of God is something that, if He does exist, our minds cannot possibly contemplate. The best we can do is hope, and be kind to our fellow man, which is what we&#039;re asked to do anyway. In terms of homosexuality etc., I personally doubt that a God from which all things come and who created the entire Universe (PERHAPS NOT AS INDIVIDUAL ENTITIES) is enormously bothered about something trivial about whether two men or two woman can/do love each other, and I find attempts to dissect the meaning of biblical passages to support views like this frankly almost insulting, implying that God &#039;thinks&#039; (if that is even possible) on the same scale as us. What I do trust in (and what I think is probably a much more reliable source) are the words spoken by Jesus in the gospel, and I would encourage all fellow Christians to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does annoy me (directed at Kat). It is not almost impossible and I think you&#8217;ll find that the majority of the largest Christian denomination on earth (Catholicism) believe that evolution occurred and that most of Genesis (and indeed much of the Old Testament) is allegorical. Look up &#8216;exegesis&#8217;, it&#8217;s a concept mainly found in Judaism but practiced to a large extent in many other faiths. God certainly did not &#8216;say&#8217; that he was &#8220;winding the clock&#8221; because the concept of speech or indeed any form of communication familiar to us is quite possibly not applicable to God, as the very idea of God is something that, if He does exist, our minds cannot possibly contemplate. The best we can do is hope, and be kind to our fellow man, which is what we&#8217;re asked to do anyway. In terms of homosexuality etc., I personally doubt that a God from which all things come and who created the entire Universe (PERHAPS NOT AS INDIVIDUAL ENTITIES) is enormously bothered about something trivial about whether two men or two woman can/do love each other, and I find attempts to dissect the meaning of biblical passages to support views like this frankly almost insulting, implying that God &#8216;thinks&#8217; (if that is even possible) on the same scale as us. What I do trust in (and what I think is probably a much more reliable source) are the words spoken by Jesus in the gospel, and I would encourage all fellow Christians to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My church doesn&#039;t care about the money, in fact, we barly have anyone donate money because most of us need it for food and clothes. It is normaly the really huge churches that are obnoxius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My church doesn&#8217;t care about the money, in fact, we barly have anyone donate money because most of us need it for food and clothes. It is normaly the really huge churches that are obnoxius.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, and I am 16, so we havn&#039;t had much &quot;experience&quot; with the world, but Not all Christions are bad :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, and I am 16, so we havn&#8217;t had much &#8220;experience&#8221; with the world, but Not all Christions are bad :/</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the begining of the Bible, though, it says that a man shall not lay down with another man like a woman, and the same goes for women. Also, it is almost imposible to believe in evilution and the bible, since God said he created the world and everything on it, not just &quot;winding the clock&quot; and let things go. *Flaw fixed*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the begining of the Bible, though, it says that a man shall not lay down with another man like a woman, and the same goes for women. Also, it is almost imposible to believe in evilution and the bible, since God said he created the world and everything on it, not just &#8220;winding the clock&#8221; and let things go. *Flaw fixed*</p>
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		<title>By: georgia_1</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgia_1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this? The dis-gruntled christian page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this? The dis-gruntled christian page?</p>
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		<title>By: Lets_fly_away773</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lets_fly_away773</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 chronicles 16:22. I pray for your relationship with God. 2 kings 2:23-25. Be careful stranger what u say. Its alright u feel that way but have some respect. God be with u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 chronicles 16:22. I pray for your relationship with God. 2 kings 2:23-25. Be careful stranger what u say. Its alright u feel that way but have some respect. God be with u.</p>
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