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		<title>By: Millie Fischer</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-510399</link>
		<dc:creator>Millie Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does it REALLY matter? 

as far as the whole &quot;public dime&quot; thing is concerned, you may want to re-read the first ammendment of the constitution. it does not say that government and religion cannot coexist in any way, nor does it say that religion cannot be publicly recognized. in fact, first amendment rights ensure that we HAVE the ability to dress up as bunnies or dance naked around bonfires or eat fish while remembering a dead guy or worshiping a squirrel that wears neon pink skin tight pants. 

according to the library of congress, the constitution says, &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.&quot; 

now, notice how nowhere in there did it say that a private individual could not give money to support a religion, even if that person is a govt. official, nor does it say that governments MUST prevent people from publicly displaying religious practices or beliefs, in fact its the exact opposite. freedom of religion means freedom TO religion, that of anyone&#039;s choice and not just the one you agree with, even if that is a religion of no religion. its still just beliefs that cannot be backed up with anything other than beliefs. 

also, if it is so illegal for government to support religion in any way, how is it that any religious organization of any kind is allowed to exist? think about it...for a building to be used for religious purposes, it must first be approved for said use by GOVERNMENT-be it local or city-and in addition the relegation of non-profit for tax purposes MUST be handed out by GOVERNMENT...not to mention the fact that the city must be willing to allow such establishments to be a part of it in the first place. if a city can ban a strip club or bar on Moral or ethical grounds and come up with the legal red tape to make it so, then the same could be done for religious establishments that do not meet with the personal or moral beliefs of the officials of the area. but that does not happen because...the first amendment ensures we have a right to celebrate our beliefs in whatever way we want, whatever that means. 

also, think about this one last point. freedom of religion is not just there to ensure you have the right to complain about the religions and beliefs you don&#039;t agree with, or the ensure that you can believe whatever you want...it is there to protect those that no one agrees with, those without a voice of their own. laws based on morality are a mistake and can lead to a slippery slope of rationalizations for support of one morality over another. if a town makes it illegal for christians to celebrate easter or use the word easter publicly, it will not be long before people will be petitioning the same town to no longer allow gay youth groups to meet because they are an &quot;affront to christianity&quot; or not allowing pagans to pick flowers from the sides of roads on May day. can you see how once a moral rule is made to exclude one group the flood gates would be opened, and then all religious freedom could possibly become compromised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does it REALLY matter? </p>
<p>as far as the whole &#8220;public dime&#8221; thing is concerned, you may want to re-read the first ammendment of the constitution. it does not say that government and religion cannot coexist in any way, nor does it say that religion cannot be publicly recognized. in fact, first amendment rights ensure that we HAVE the ability to dress up as bunnies or dance naked around bonfires or eat fish while remembering a dead guy or worshiping a squirrel that wears neon pink skin tight pants. </p>
<p>according to the library of congress, the constitution says, &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.&#8221; </p>
<p>now, notice how nowhere in there did it say that a private individual could not give money to support a religion, even if that person is a govt. official, nor does it say that governments MUST prevent people from publicly displaying religious practices or beliefs, in fact its the exact opposite. freedom of religion means freedom TO religion, that of anyone&#8217;s choice and not just the one you agree with, even if that is a religion of no religion. its still just beliefs that cannot be backed up with anything other than beliefs. </p>
<p>also, if it is so illegal for government to support religion in any way, how is it that any religious organization of any kind is allowed to exist? think about it&#8230;for a building to be used for religious purposes, it must first be approved for said use by GOVERNMENT-be it local or city-and in addition the relegation of non-profit for tax purposes MUST be handed out by GOVERNMENT&#8230;not to mention the fact that the city must be willing to allow such establishments to be a part of it in the first place. if a city can ban a strip club or bar on Moral or ethical grounds and come up with the legal red tape to make it so, then the same could be done for religious establishments that do not meet with the personal or moral beliefs of the officials of the area. but that does not happen because&#8230;the first amendment ensures we have a right to celebrate our beliefs in whatever way we want, whatever that means. </p>
<p>also, think about this one last point. freedom of religion is not just there to ensure you have the right to complain about the religions and beliefs you don&#8217;t agree with, or the ensure that you can believe whatever you want&#8230;it is there to protect those that no one agrees with, those without a voice of their own. laws based on morality are a mistake and can lead to a slippery slope of rationalizations for support of one morality over another. if a town makes it illegal for christians to celebrate easter or use the word easter publicly, it will not be long before people will be petitioning the same town to no longer allow gay youth groups to meet because they are an &#8220;affront to christianity&#8221; or not allowing pagans to pick flowers from the sides of roads on May day. can you see how once a moral rule is made to exclude one group the flood gates would be opened, and then all religious freedom could possibly become compromised?</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Spring Bunny Article</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-8219</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Spring Bunny Article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Woo! I was quoted in this article in the Tri-Valley Herald (California) about the Spring Bunny controversy. This blog is legit, I tell you!  [Michael Runzler&#8217;s letter-to-the-editor] was posted on friendlyatheist.com, a site run by Chicago-based Hemant Mehta, who is the chair of the board of directors of the Secular Student Alliance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Woo! I was quoted in this article in the Tri-Valley Herald (California) about the Spring Bunny controversy. This blog is legit, I tell you!  [Michael Runzler&#8217;s letter-to-the-editor] was posted on friendlyatheist.com, a site run by Chicago-based Hemant Mehta, who is the chair of the board of directors of the Secular Student Alliance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Durden</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7818</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel Durden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You US-Americans got problems ... isn&#039;t there a war going on? At least Colbert is getting something to make fun of ;) (and the rest of the world)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You US-Americans got problems &#8230; isn&#8217;t there a war going on? At least Colbert is getting something to make fun of <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (and the rest of the world)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easter bunny is the single greatest isult to Jesus Christ. Why don&#039;t you just say hanukkah is a celebration of turtles and presidents day celebrates ankle socks soaked in vodka, cause if were throwing away all logic and replacing epic moments in history with complete bullshit we mine as well smoke crack and kill ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easter bunny is the single greatest isult to Jesus Christ. Why don&#8217;t you just say hanukkah is a celebration of turtles and presidents day celebrates ankle socks soaked in vodka, cause if were throwing away all logic and replacing epic moments in history with complete bullshit we mine as well smoke crack and kill ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7766</link>
		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,
Karen, Siamang and I asked you if you understand the difference between government and private institutions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,<br />
Karen, Siamang and I asked you if you understand the difference between government and private institutions?</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7762</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does this mean Bugs Bunny won’t be allowed to sing “I’m the Easter Rabbit, Hooray!” in that one Forties WB theatrical cartoon short?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ken, you recognize that Warner Brothers is a corporation and not a government entity, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Does this mean Bugs Bunny won’t be allowed to sing “I’m the Easter Rabbit, Hooray!” in that one Forties WB theatrical cartoon short?</p></blockquote>
<p>Ken, you recognize that Warner Brothers is a corporation and not a government entity, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7759</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean Bugs Bunny won&#039;t be allowed to sing &quot;I&#039;m the Easter Rabbit, Hooray!&quot; in that one Forties WB theatrical cartoon short?

&lt;em&gt;According to the Herald News, signatories of the letter warned: “In our region there are a variety of groups, witches, Devil Worshippers and representatives of many other religious beliefs...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Why not mention D&amp;D players, SF fans, and fursuiters while you&#039;re at it?  We&#039;re not &quot;SAY-TANN-IC&quot; enough for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean Bugs Bunny won&#8217;t be allowed to sing &#8220;I&#8217;m the Easter Rabbit, Hooray!&#8221; in that one Forties WB theatrical cartoon short?</p>
<p><em>According to the Herald News, signatories of the letter warned: “In our region there are a variety of groups, witches, Devil Worshippers and representatives of many other religious beliefs&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Why not mention D&amp;D players, SF fans, and fursuiters while you&#8217;re at it?  We&#8217;re not &#8220;SAY-TANN-IC&#8221; enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jalestra</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jalestra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people need to understand is the words connotate *christian* beliefs...of which not all Americans share. To me it&#039;s not PC, it&#039;s establishing a new mindset of what our country is. All the time christians use justification for trying to push yet MORE religious doctrine through our legislature (gays can&#039;t marry?) with well, we ARE a christian nation. Guess what, we&#039;re not, and there&#039;s one way to make sure you start thinking of us as a nation of PEOPLE and not a nation of CHRISTIANS...remove the christian parts of anything governmently backed.

If it REALLY doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s an Easter bunny or a Spring bunny because it no longer is treated religiously by the public, then why does it matter if they change the name? I&#039;m not offended by the word Easter, but I AM offended that the christians think it&#039;s ok to promote Easter publicly and scream at anyone, ANYONE, else that has the gall to try to have their faith in public, let alone practice it there. http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/mass4.htm And while some of the things done may have been a bit off...I believe these statements are VERY telling:

 Rev. Paula P. Durrant of the Congregational Christian Church of Somerset declared that it is &quot;a sign of sad times&quot; when opinions of religious leaders are not promptly acknowledged by politicians.

According to the Herald News, signatories of the letter warned: &quot;In our region there are a variety of groups, witches, Devil Worshippers and representatives of many other religious beliefs. We fear that the creche and the menorah would be compromised even more should other groups seek to have their symbols included.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people need to understand is the words connotate *christian* beliefs&#8230;of which not all Americans share. To me it&#8217;s not PC, it&#8217;s establishing a new mindset of what our country is. All the time christians use justification for trying to push yet MORE religious doctrine through our legislature (gays can&#8217;t marry?) with well, we ARE a christian nation. Guess what, we&#8217;re not, and there&#8217;s one way to make sure you start thinking of us as a nation of PEOPLE and not a nation of CHRISTIANS&#8230;remove the christian parts of anything governmently backed.</p>
<p>If it REALLY doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s an Easter bunny or a Spring bunny because it no longer is treated religiously by the public, then why does it matter if they change the name? I&#8217;m not offended by the word Easter, but I AM offended that the christians think it&#8217;s ok to promote Easter publicly and scream at anyone, ANYONE, else that has the gall to try to have their faith in public, let alone practice it there. <a href="http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/mass4.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/mass4.htm</a> And while some of the things done may have been a bit off&#8230;I believe these statements are VERY telling:</p>
<p> Rev. Paula P. Durrant of the Congregational Christian Church of Somerset declared that it is &#8220;a sign of sad times&#8221; when opinions of religious leaders are not promptly acknowledged by politicians.</p>
<p>According to the Herald News, signatories of the letter warned: &#8220;In our region there are a variety of groups, witches, Devil Worshippers and representatives of many other religious beliefs. We fear that the creche and the menorah would be compromised even more should other groups seek to have their symbols included.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7667</link>
		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,
I&#039;m repeating Karen&#039;s theme.  Do you understand that if the Easter celebration was at your church it wouldn&#039;t do any good to call the ACLU as I wouldn&#039;t have a case?  Do you understand that since it&#039;s on our public property that I do? 

p.s. I did serve in the Navy and was stationed in San Diego.  I visited Mount Soledad on many occassions including much later after I got out and took my wife up there on our vacation to which I spoke with a vet about me not being pleased about a veteran monument that I earned a right to be on had a giant cross above it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,<br />
I&#8217;m repeating Karen&#8217;s theme.  Do you understand that if the Easter celebration was at your church it wouldn&#8217;t do any good to call the ACLU as I wouldn&#8217;t have a case?  Do you understand that since it&#8217;s on our public property that I do? </p>
<p>p.s. I did serve in the Navy and was stationed in San Diego.  I visited Mount Soledad on many occassions including much later after I got out and took my wife up there on our vacation to which I spoke with a vet about me not being pleased about a veteran monument that I earned a right to be on had a giant cross above it.</p>
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		<title>By: Logos</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/02/spring-bunny/#comment-7658</link>
		<dc:creator>Logos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrie, you need to calm down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie, you need to calm down!</p>
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