Comments on: The Magazine for the Black Ted Haggard… http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/ by Hemant Mehta Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Friendly Atheist » If You Want to Become Straight, Edit a Gay Magazine http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-51793 Friendly Atheist » If You Want to Become Straight, Edit a Gay Magazine Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:27:31 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-51793 [...] it was Charlene Cothran, editor of Venus [...] [...] it was Charlene Cothran, editor of Venus [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Not Quite Coming Out of the Closet http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23445 Friendly Atheist » Not Quite Coming Out of the Closet Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:37:45 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23445 [...] Last month, I wrote about Venus Magazine, which catered to African-American gays and lesbians. Then, its publisher Charlene Cothran found God and supposedly stopped being gay. As a result, Cothran changed the magazine’s mission to helping those who also wanted to become straight. [...] [...] Last month, I wrote about Venus Magazine, which catered to African-American gays and lesbians. Then, its publisher Charlene Cothran found God and supposedly stopped being gay. As a result, Cothran changed the magazine’s mission to helping those who also wanted to become straight. [...]

]]> By: Richard Wade http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23371 Richard Wade Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:00:44 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23371 Hey Johanna, If the idea of gays condemning a person's religious beliefs bothers you, <a href="http://www.wehochurch.com/" rel="nofollow">this site</a> will help you to feel better. Hey Johanna,
If the idea of gays condemning a person’s religious beliefs bothers you, this site will help you to feel better.

]]> By: Darryl http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23323 Darryl Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:29:58 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23323 Johanna, Your post is insulting to the intelligence. Do you know what goes on in the bedrooms of heterosexuals? You talk about <blockquote>People who define themselves by gross sex acts… …the fine art of ‘fisting’ their partner… …a slave to her base desires… …the pleasures of this earth plane…</blockquote> I'm rather conservative when it comes to sex, but I've been around. Honey, if you're prudish about sex, then you're going to be very disappointed with a whole lot of religious folk. Lust makes savages of us all. Don't kid yourself. Johanna,

Your post is insulting to the intelligence. Do you know what goes on in the bedrooms of heterosexuals? You talk about

People who define themselves by gross sex acts…
…the fine art of ‘fisting’ their partner…
…a slave to her base desires…
…the pleasures of this earth plane…

I’m rather conservative when it comes to sex, but I’ve been around. Honey, if you’re prudish about sex, then you’re going to be very disappointed with a whole lot of religious folk. Lust makes savages of us all. Don’t kid yourself.

]]> By: Patrick Craig http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23295 Patrick Craig Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:21:29 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23295 Wow, Johanna, this is certainly out of left field. I want to explore your comments. <blockquote> It’s sad that in order for gays to good about themselves they are compelled to condemn a person’s religious beliefs. </blockquote> Please clarify - are you asserting that the other commenters on this blog entry are gay? Or are you speaking of a particular gay person or group of gay people who condemned your religious beliefs? <blockquote> People who define themselves by gross sex acts... ...the fine art of ‘fisting’ their partner... ...a slave to her base desires... ...the pleasures of this earth plane... </blockquote> All of these appear to be negative comments toward homosexuality. Could you tell me, and PLEASE leave your bible out of this, what is so terribly wrong with homosexuality? If you can establish a good, non-supernatural reason why we should eliminate homosexuality from our world, maybe you can convince more people to help you achieve your goal. As it stands, the only reasons we here have heard come straight out of the bible, and we Atheists assign no authority or validity to that particular document. Even if we DID, we'd STILL have to ask, what is god's problem with homosexuality? <blockquote> In times of stife and hardship (a condition most black people are familiar with)... </blockquote> This statement deeply saddens and disturbs me. It appears you are looking for racism, and though you will (unfortunately) find it just about anywhere you look, you'll have a much harder time finding it here. The guy who runs this blog, Hemant, has roots in India, and if I were racist, I probably wouldn't be here because his skin is darker than mine. :) Check out his book! <em>I Sold My Soul on Ebay</em>. You might find that you want to be "just like us" after all. Take care. Wow, Johanna, this is certainly out of left field. I want to explore your comments.

It’s sad that in order for gays to good about themselves they are compelled to condemn a person’s religious beliefs.

Please clarify – are you asserting that the other commenters on this blog entry are gay? Or are you speaking of a particular gay person or group of gay people who condemned your religious beliefs?

People who define themselves by gross sex acts…
…the fine art of ‘fisting’ their partner…
…a slave to her base desires…
…the pleasures of this earth plane…

All of these appear to be negative comments toward homosexuality. Could you tell me, and PLEASE leave your bible out of this, what is so terribly wrong with homosexuality? If you can establish a good, non-supernatural reason why we should eliminate homosexuality from our world, maybe you can convince more people to help you achieve your goal. As it stands, the only reasons we here have heard come straight out of the bible, and we Atheists assign no authority or validity to that particular document. Even if we DID, we’d STILL have to ask, what is god’s problem with homosexuality?

In times of stife and hardship (a condition most black people are familiar with)…

This statement deeply saddens and disturbs me. It appears you are looking for racism, and though you will (unfortunately) find it just about anywhere you look, you’ll have a much harder time finding it here. The guy who runs this blog, Hemant, has roots in India, and if I were racist, I probably wouldn’t be here because his skin is darker than mine. :) Check out his book! I Sold My Soul on Ebay. You might find that you want to be “just like us” after all.

Take care.

]]> By: Johanna http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23255 Johanna Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:42:25 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-23255 It's sad that in order for gays to good about themselves they are compelled to condemn a person's religious beliefs. In times of stife and hardship (a condition most black people are familiar with) whom do you suggest they place their faith in? People who define themselves by gross sex acts or our God? People who think it is just fine to tutor school children in the fine art of 'fisting' their partner? Hummmm....let me think. I can only imagine the hatred you must feel towards Charlene Cothran. She is no longer a slave to her base desires. She has awakened to a higher calling in life that has nothing whatsoever to do with the pleasures of this earth plane. But, many of you obviously cannot comprehend that. What on earth could be more compelling than your pleasure, right? And, you know what? If I didn't believe in God, I might be just like you. But I'm not and neither is Charlene. It’s sad that in order for gays to good about themselves they are compelled to condemn a person’s religious beliefs.

In times of stife and hardship (a condition most black people are familiar with) whom do you suggest they place their faith in? People who define themselves by gross sex acts or our God? People who think it is just fine to tutor school children in the fine art of ‘fisting’ their partner? Hummmm….let me think.

I can only imagine the hatred you must feel towards Charlene Cothran. She is no longer a slave to her base desires. She has awakened to a higher calling in life that has nothing whatsoever to do with the pleasures of this earth plane. But, many of you obviously cannot comprehend that. What on earth could be more compelling than your pleasure, right?

And, you know what? If I didn’t believe in God, I might be just like you. But I’m not and neither is Charlene.

]]> By: False Prophet http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7717 False Prophet Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:06:26 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7717 Most Christian fundamentalists don't actually have a theology--that's what makes it so frustrating to deal with them. The majority of their movement is anti-intellectual. Instead of scholars like Augustine, Aquinas, Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Newman and Lewis, they have moronic self-help gurus like Rick Warren. Most Christian fundamentalists don’t actually have a theology–that’s what makes it so frustrating to deal with them. The majority of their movement is anti-intellectual. Instead of scholars like Augustine, Aquinas, Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Newman and Lewis, they have moronic self-help gurus like Rick Warren.

]]> By: Richard Wade http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7581 Richard Wade Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:11:42 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7581 Mike, Yes, that is a typical product of my twisted, irreverant mind. I'd be honored if you wish to repost it. Mike,
Yes, that is a typical product of my twisted, irreverant mind. I’d be honored if you wish to repost it.

]]> By: Richard Wade http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7580 Richard Wade Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:08:46 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7580 Freethnkr, Your thoughts seem perfectly appropriate for this thread to me. I hope you're right about acceptance of gays increasing. Certainly it is in the general population; several surveys show that the younger a person is, the more likely they are to be accepting of homosexuality. However I don't see much if any progress in fundamental or evangelical Christians. As I joked about above, some seem to protect their justification to hate gays more vigorously than their assertion of Jesus' divinity. I'm not sure that the number of responses to a particular thread is a reliable measure of the importance of an issue in society. Regardless, On Faith has several threads about gay issues going simultaneously, and they have garnered a total of several hundred responses. One started by Bob Ragan, a cleric who says he "converted" from being gay and now runs a "clinic" to help other gays convert has generated 187 comments so far, and it is very contentious. Freethnkr,
Your thoughts seem perfectly appropriate for this thread to me. I hope you’re right about acceptance of gays increasing. Certainly it is in the general population; several surveys show that the younger a person is, the more likely they are to be accepting of homosexuality. However I don’t see much if any progress in fundamental or evangelical Christians. As I joked about above, some seem to protect their justification to hate gays more vigorously than their assertion of Jesus’ divinity.

I’m not sure that the number of responses to a particular thread is a reliable measure of the importance of an issue in society. Regardless, On Faith has several threads about gay issues going simultaneously, and they have garnered a total of several hundred responses. One started by Bob Ragan, a cleric who says he “converted” from being gay and now runs a “clinic” to help other gays convert has generated 187 comments so far, and it is very contentious.

]]> By: Mike C http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7579 Mike C Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:54:08 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/04/the-magazine-for-the-black-ted-haggard/#comment-7579 Richard, that was great! Did you write that yourself? I've often made that same point - that conservative Christians often seem to care more about their conservative politics and "family values" than they do about their theology. I wonder, would you mind if I reposted your comment on my blog? -Mike Richard, that was great! Did you write that yourself?

I’ve often made that same point – that conservative Christians often seem to care more about their conservative politics and “family values” than they do about their theology.

I wonder, would you mind if I reposted your comment on my blog?

-Mike

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