HisHolySpace

As if MySpace didn’t have enough clones, Robert’s Thought’s (can someone explain the second apostrophe?) tells us about a new one: HisHolySpace.

What is HHS?

… HisHolySpace.com separates itself from other online religious community sites, by only allowing those religions that follow [the aforementioned] Core Christian Essentials, to be promoted on the site. Anyone from any religion is welcome to join HisHolySpace.com. But if your religion and/or your beliefs fall outside the realm of the above-mentioned Core Essentials, and it is your intention to promote your religion and/or beliefs on HHS, you may be in violation of the site rules, which could result in the cancelation of your membership.

First, what’s with all those commas in the first sentence?

Second, do “other religions” ever follow the Core Christian Essentials? At first, I thought they meant Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc. But I never saw anything asking me what denomination I was. (Though during signup, they did ask me if I was Saved– I was!)

Of course, most of you won’t be able to join. As Robert says:

I was also told they do not allow cussing

Some other amusing elements here: When browsing for someone, you can’t search for Single/Married/In a Relationship/Divorced/Swinger like you can on MySpace. Nope. But you can search for Believers/Seekers/Either.

Good luck meeting the gay Christians.

And say goodbye to hookups.

On the profile pages, there are also many differences between the two sites.


MySpace Says…HisHolySpace Says…
Add to FriendsAdd to Congregation
Instant MessageNo Gossip IM
Add to GroupAdd to Small Group
Add to FavoritesSave Me
Block UserCondemn Me
Rank UserJudge Me

I know there are plenty of dating sites that cater to one faith or another (or no faith). While it’s nice to share a common culture with someone, I dislike the implication that someone with a different belief system isn’t worth considering as a partner. HHS is very explicit about this. It’s not surprising. It’s just sad. Same goes for sites that cater to one particular race or ethnicity.

Would Christians who read this blog ever sign up for this HHS site? Am I way off base?

Regardless, HHS should be thoroughly mocked for overtly imitating MySpace. I mean, I know people get mad when atheists say religious people can’t think for themselves, but this is just adding fuel to the fire… where’s the originality?


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  • http://mayamasquerade.blogspot.com/ maya

    I didn’t even believe you were serious about this until I visited the site. I should have known…Conservapedia, GodTube, and now HisHolySpace. Why do Christians have this compulsion to separate themselves from the rest of the world? My parents are like this; they can’t have a friend that’s not protestant, they homeschool, they won’t be involved in anything that isn’t explicitly for God. I’ve never been able to understand it. It’s like they think that someone of another faith (or no faith) can’t possible be worth the time to speak to. It’s absurd.

  • AB

    As a Christian, I must say that Maya’s comment is way off base; too broad and general when she said “Why do Christians have this compulsion to separate themselves from the rest of the world?” Some, probably a lot, do that. But those that do aren’t in agreement with the word of God, which tells us to be “in the world, not of the world”. There is a difference. Surround yourself with ONLY those who share your beliefs, and seclude yourself in an environment where you are blind to the world, and you are unable to function as a disciple. Sites like HisHolySpace are more about rules and conformity, and I prefer to be free to express myself.

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    Would Christians who read this blog ever sign up for this HHS site?

    Not a chance. I hate even using MySpace (it’s so trashy). Why would I want to sign up for a “Christian” version when “Christian” knock-offs of pop-culture tend to be twice as cheezy and ten times as poorly done. Ugh.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Maya writes:
    I’ve never been able to understand it.

    It’s easy: if you let outsiders talk to you, it weakens the indoctrination. This is especially dangerous with kids. You want to isolate them intellectually from other belief systems (or, God forbid, science!) because otherwise they might suffer doubt/cognitive dissonance and realize the whole thing is a joke.

    mjr.

  • http://blog.chrisbradleywriter.com Chris Bradley

    It really is looking to me like Christians are trying to create an entirely separate world for themselves — one with no connections whatsoever with the outside, so they can do everything in their life in a state of religio-narcotic bliss. Not just this, but Conservapedia, GodTube, you name it.

  • http://rpkthoughts.blogspot.com Robert

    LOL, your the first one that mentioned something about the added apostrophe :) It was just my idea of dry humor I suppose. As in my thoughts having some sort of persona about themselves.

  • Karen

    First, what’s with all those commas in the first sentence?

    Ah, the most common punctuation error rears its ugly head: The dreaded misplaced comma! (See “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” for more info.) :-)

  • George L Ayers

    THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP ON A CLEAN SITE.(HisHolySpace) MAY GOD(JESUS CHRIST) FIND IN HIS HEART TO BLESS ALL OF YOU. PRAYING FOR YOU ,AND THE LOST EVANGELICAL CHRISTAIN GEORGE.

  • http://mayamasquerade.blogspot.com/ maya

    AB, I’m sorry, I meant to say some Christians. I do realize that not all Christians do that.

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  • fred

    You will meet some FAKE Christians, but you will never meet a “gay” Christian. There is no such thing.

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    You will meet some FAKE Christians, but you will never meet a “gay” Christian. There is no such thing.

    Then how is it that I know some?

  • MTran

    You will meet some FAKE Christians, but you will never meet a “gay” Christian. There is no such thing.

    Anyone who plays the No True Scottsman game has already lost the argument, fred.

    I have met too many gay Christians to keep track of the numbers and have had close friends and colleagues who are gay as well as Christian. And all of them more completely reflect Christian qualities than fraudulent believers like fred.

    When I was a teen (60s & 70s) attending main-stream Protestant churches, those churches did not preach hate or rejection of homosexual people. They taught compassion and understanding.

    One denomination concluded that the prohibition on “lying with a man as one would a woman” was incoherent as applied to most gays. Why? Because men’s bodies are not like women’s bodies. Thus one cannot “use a man as a woman” if the man is physically intact. Thus the ban was taken to apply to the creation, enslavement and sexual abuse of eunuchs.

  • MOOKIE

    fred was rite…there is no such thing as “gay christians.” you see, MTran, those so called christians you know, are as non existnent as your ability to rightly divide the word. (that means to comprehend and understand the word). christians are christians. its not a religion or denomination, its a way of life. when you are a christian you live your entire life the way the Lord intended. since youve somewhat read leviticus 18:22, try reading romans 1:24-27 (which is in the new testament) paying close attention to verse 27 and id love for you to explain it to me.

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  • MTran

    Mookie,

    You may not appreciate just how poorly you represent any position you wish to promote. Other than being illiterate, the only other attributes you have demonstrated are ignorance, bigotry, and arrogance. You seem to have no idea about, well just about anything you’ve written here.

    Your interpretation of Christianity is at odds with the interpretations promulgated by the vast majority of legitimate Christian denominations. Since your interpretation is also incoherent, I tend to give greater credence to those that have more capable, compassionate, and rational apologists.

    I’m an atheist, by the way, so your blitherings about Christian “doctrine” are irrelevant to me. I have no interest in “explaining” anything to you, I have merely repeated a position long held by one denomination.

    However, I do want to thank you for showing up here to demonstrate quite clearly why those Christians who subscribe to what are often called “main-line” denominations, should publicly disassociate themselves from hate filled Taliban wannabes such as yourself. Many already have, but you’ve just supplied added incentives.

    Have a nice weekend.

  • George L Ayers

    THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS GAY CHRISTAINS. A CHRISTAIN IS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST, THAT HE WAS GOD IN THE FLESH, AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS, AND WAS RAISED FROM DEATH ON THE THIRD DAY BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO TURN FROM SIN. OTHER WISE IT’S JUST LIP SERVICE. A MAN SHALL NOT LAY WITH A MAN LIKE HE LAYS WITH A WOMEN. IT IS AN ABOMINATION IN THE EYE’S OF THE LORD. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE GUIDE LINES A LAW OF THE LORD. WHAT DO YOU SAY ON JUDGEMENT DAY? OH I BROKE THIS COMMANDMENT OR THE OTHER , BUT I’M A GOOD PERSON. WHAT LET YOU SLIDE PAST THE LAW?? IF YOU STEAL A CAR OR KILL SOMEONE, AND GO TO COURT, AND YOU TELL THE JUDGE I DID THIS OR THAT,BUT I’M A GOOD PERSON. DOSE HE LET YOU GO??? AND I’M NOT JUDGING ANYONE. FOR WITH WHAT JUDGEMENT YOU JUDGE YOU SHALL BE JUDGED. MY HEART BREAKS FOR THE LOST.I’T’S ALL REAL, READ THE BIBLE AND THEN WATCH THE NEWS. IT IS WRITTEN BEFORE IT HAPPENS. EVEN THE WHEATHER WE ARE HAVING IS WRITTEN. I’S ALL THERE. 4/5 OF ALL THAT WAS FOR TOLD HAS COME TO PASS. RAPTURE IS COMING. IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE GENERATION THAT SEES ISRAEL BECOME A NATION, SHALL NOT PASS BEFORE THE SECOND COMING. ISRAEL BECAME A NATION IN MAY 14 @ MID NIGHT. SO THAT PUT IT ON THE 15TH. THE BIBLE FOR TOLD THAT ISRAEL WOULD BECOME A NATION TO THE DAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO READ,AND ADD,AND SUBTRACT.SO A GENERATION IS WHAT?? WE LIVE TO BE 70-80 YEARS OLD??? SO IT’S BEEN 59 YEARS SO IT HAS TO BE BY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NOW ,AND 2048. I SAY 2048 BECAUSE SOMEONE THAT WAS BORN IN 1948 MITE LIVE TO A 100?? ALL IT TAKES IS ONE STILL ALIVE (BORN IN 48) TO SEE IT HAPPEN. JESUS NEVER LIED, EVERY THING HE SAID WOULD HAPPEN HAS HAPPENED UP TO DATE.SORRY FOR WRITTING A BOOK ON YOUR THING. NOT TRYING TO ANGER ANYBODY.I JUST CARE FOR THE LOST. LOVE TO ALL, GOD BLESS YOU. PRAYING THAT YOU SEE THE LIGHT BEFORE IT’S TO LATE. SORRY I’LL STAY OFF YOUR SITE.EVANGELICAL GEORGE.

  • MTran

    Does anyone think that people like fred, Mookie, and ALL CAPS George could ever be a positive or constructive inluence for anyone contemplating decisions about religion?

    I’m serious here. Would any organization ever want to take credit for these guys? Or are they just clever Loki’s?

  • George L Ayers

    just know this when rature happens,and you will if you born after 1948 you will see the coming.and when it happens you can still be saved. just get on your knees,repent your sins,turn from them.and don’t take the mark at that point theres no return.god(jesus christ is the only way) bless you MTran said, low cap to you.

  • George L Ayers

    have a good night brother

  • Richard Wade

    creepy.

  • MTran

    Richard Wade said creepy

    Or, as my grandmother used to say, “Chock-full-o-nuts!”

  • Karen

    This kind of stuff is Exhibit A for: “Why it is so difficult to tell parody from reality these days on the Internet.”

    I can usually tell true believers from smarty-pants atheists because the poor, dumb, deluded believers spout the same b.s. I learned years ago about the rapture and the End Times word-for-word. It’s unbelievably creepy how the wording hasn’t changed at all.

    Oh, except for one little item: In the 1980s, they used to talk about a ‘generation’ being 40 years, which put the Rapture around the year 2000. I see that now we’ve passed that tiny milestone without Christ’s return, a ‘generation’ is suddenly defined as 70 to 80 years – and we now have until 2048 before yet another deadline comes and goes.

    Very convenient for the fundy preachers, who now have a full 40 years to extend their influence before the “sheep” get restless. It’s really disgusting and depressing for me to see how many “Stepford People” are running around being manipulated and devoting their lives to this crap. Brings back bad memories. :-(

  • Karen

    George, have you ever done any independent research on End Times movements throughout history? If not, I encourage you to do so.

    For thousands of years, religious groups of all stripes have been predicting the end of the world. The teaching you’ve received about the rapture, and 1948, and the book of Daniel (I assume they’re still teaching Daniel?) is NO DIFFERENT from any of the other delusions that religious charlatans have passed off on their followers for hundreds and thousands of years.

    Read about the 19th century Millerites and how they sold their property, impoverished themselves, followed a kook up a mountain – all to be met with the Great Disappointment and have their lives pretty much ruined.

    Read the story of Sean Prophet, who posts here, and how he escaped a cult that set a date for the end of the world.

    As a college student, I based my entire future on Christian fundamentalist prophecy that said Jesus was coming back in 1989; then in 1995; then in 2000.

    Guess what? IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. And it ain’t gonna happen next year, or the year after that, or in 2048 – or whenever your pastor tells you it will. Get over it, live your life as best you can, make the world a better place whenever possible, and – I challenge you – start thinking for yourself, man! It makes all the difference in the world.

  • MTran

    As a college student, I based my entire future on Christian fundamentalist prophecy that said Jesus was coming back in 1989; then in 1995; then in 2000.

    Wow! This is one example where I would agree with Dawkins’ characterization of some religious training as child abuse.

    Karen, I’m glad you were able to free yourself from such distorted thinking. Your comments here have been very helpful for me when it comes to understanding the fundie/literalist mind set. Thanks for sharing.

  • George L Ayers

    WELL THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT AGENERATION BEING 1/40 YEARS 2/70-80 YEARS 3/100YEARS. HOW LONG DO WE LIVE? I’M NOT SETTING A DATE, I JUST KNOW WHAT THE WORD SAYS. AND YES I RESEARCH FOR MYSELF A LOT,AND SCIENCE IS PROVING THE BIBLE TO BE TRUE MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY. NOT ONCE HAS SCIENCE COME UP WITH ANYTHING THAT DISPROVES THE BIBLE. DON’T BE HATFULL, AND CHECK THIS SITE. HERE ARE JUST 13 THAT PROVE THE FACTS.BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL WITH LOVE. EVANGELICAL GEORGE http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/scien_eviden_creatn.html

  • George L Ayers

    FORGOT TO TELL YOU ON THE TOP RIGHT CLICK ON EVIDENCE. THERE YOU WILL FIND 13 PROOFS. YOU SEE IF YOU CAN DISPROVE ANY OF IT. A TEST FOR YOU. GOD LOVES YOU. http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html?http%3A//www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/scien_eviden_creatn.html

  • George L Ayers

    PLEASE LOOK Coal: Evidence for a Young Earth” Evolutionary theory requires millions of years in the formation of coal in order to afford time for the development of living organisms whose fossils…CONTINUE
    Evidence for Creation (10 brief reasons)
    The Fossil Record…Evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of “primitive”…CONTINUE
    The Earth’s Magnetic Field
    Many people know that the earth has a magnetic field, but few are aware that this field is shrinking. This decrease has been measured over a period of 150 years…CONTINUE
    Our Created Earth: Uniquely Designed for Life
    Of all the lessons which the Earth continually teaches us, perhaps the most obvious…CONTINUE
    Scientific Problems With Macroevolution: (Karl Popper’s definition of the scientific method )…CONTINUED
    Mammoths
    The largest quantities of woolly mammoth remains are found in Arctic and sub-arctic…CONTINUED
    Carbon Dating
    A less-common form of the carbon atom, carbon-14, is used today by scientists…CONTINUED
    Evidence for Creation
    Scientific Allusions in Scripture

  • Richard Wade

    George, about 24 hours ago you said this:

    LOVE TO ALL, GOD BLESS YOU. PRAYING THAT YOU SEE THE LIGHT BEFORE IT’S TO LATE. SORRY I’LL STAY OFF YOUR SITE.EVANGELICAL GEORGE.

    When are you going to keep your promise?

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    George, are you aware that using ALL CAPS online is considered shouting? Do you mean to shout at us?

  • George L Ayers

    no not shouting, just care. big bold letters stand out.Mark 6:11
    And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” i will leave you, i did my job. i gave you the word. my heart feels for you god bless you, i won’t bother you anymore.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com FriendlyAtheist

    The George has been warned about his commenting. Just fyi.

  • http://finneganswake.proboards28.com/index.cgi emily

    I have been banned from there for being Catholic as have hundreds of people.

    look at the thread here….
    http://finneganswake.proboards28.com/index.cgi

    it’s at the top board where the welcomes and all are and is called Hisholyspace.

    They deleted all Catholic groups, said we are not Christian and you cannot believe the gay stuff. My son is gay, so they deleted all my posts there and the group. These people are NUTS.

    The admin keeps sending us emails to promo the site even tho he banned us! HE says registration is down from 400 a day to 100- 200. I hope it keeps dropping. These are brain dead cult people in the true definition of the word. They told me I was in a satanic cult, that I worshipped the devil etc.

  • AB

    Taliban wannabe? I think you’re getting your religions crossed.

  • just a girl

    i am a christian and i was a part of hhs. although i can appreciate a site that is constructed to produce fellowship of believer i, on principle, had to leave. after getting extremely involved in the discussions i was ultimately disgusted with the disregard of a entire people group- the catholics. i consider them my brothers and sisters and it was just to much to see there voice silenced. not to mention that the decision to call catholics a cult came from the info from one web site… carm…

    and so, the non-religious educated leader of hhs, jeff, decided that he would follow the ideas of carm, some funda’mentalists’ and a 19 year old boy in declaring catholicism a cult.

    this lacks intellectual integrity, moral aptitude and heart…

  • Siamang

    That’s sad news about HHS.

    Hopefully you folks can find a more welcoming site for fellowship than that. It always makes me distinctly uneasy to hear about protestant/catholic tensions in America.

  • http://www.conservapedia.com/9/11 Jim

    Conservapedia on 9/11: “The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 were the deadliest to ever occur on US soil…” (2996, via site).

    On Pearl Harbor: “over 3000 casualties.” I guess soil in a fundie’s mind means only that- land.

    Not that I’m specifically pointing out technical errors and/or factual inaccuracies; maybe someone ought to clarify this for me, a dumb, unenlightened atheist. Devil-worshiping, too.

  • JL

    Most of the people that are here are MEAN! I did mean to shout.
    Shame on you for being so mean to people who are trying to keep you from stepping out in front of a bus so to speak. You are hateful, hurtful and just angry. WHY? What is so bad in your lives that you have to hurt someone else? I am so very sorry you are like this. I know you will say something horrible about me for calling you on this, but I don’t care. You should be ashamed of your selves. Think about it….

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  • Brian Cowell

    Well I guess you guys are right and wrong. Or maybe right or wrong. Well this is what I have to say. Why not? Why not believe in God? Why not believe?

    Brian

  • Brian Cowell

    Oh yea, are you a Yank?

  • Brian Cowell

    In response to George. There is no such thing as a ‘gay’ Christian. The Bible does not support homosexuality and considers it wrong.

  • just a girl

    in response to brian cowell, the bible condemns all sin. one can be a gay christian just as quickly as one can be a christian and sin. for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, right? if you follow your line of reasoning you are essentially saying that “one cannot be a glutton and a christian also”. yet, that last time i looked, gluttony is certainly a sin. so, how many fat people in your church are you sending to hell? jesus came to set the captives free not condemn them. give people some space and grace and you might be surprised how the holy spirit will work in their lives. but point the finger and your surely going to get it broken.

  • godscreation

    I just want to leave a response on a comment that George Ayers left quite a ways up the page…….He said………A CHRISTAIN IS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST, THAT HE WAS GOD IN THE FLESH, AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS, AND WAS RAISED FROM DEATH ON THE THIRD DAY …………..well George……….hate to say this but even Satan believes all those things……..so does that make him a christian as well? Just wondering, thats all. And for all you athiests out there, I want to apologize for all the christians that left comments that to mean just seemed downright condemning. For, I am also a christian. But not because of any religious prayer I said to get saved. I am a christian because God truly did change my life. I used to do drugs hardcore. I was a habitual liar. I have been married and divorced twice. I’ve committed adultry. And even though those arent as bad as other sins…….well, a sin is a sin. Guys, I am no better than any of you. And I am not going to get on here and bash any of you. Even though I have never been an athiest and can’t really relate to any of you that are, I can say that I know how it feels to be thrashed by so called “christians”. It’s not right. But I am not their judge as I am not yalls either. As a matter of fact, God is the judge….whether you believe in Him or not. I was close at a time in my life to no longer believing in God because of things that happened to me as well as some so-called “knowledge” I had. I became so angry with my life that I cursed and God and told Him to go ahead and kill me if He was real. I also said that if He truly was the Savior of the World that He would deliver me from all the junk that I got myself into and that He would have to be the one who changed me cuz I didn’t create myself, so I definitely couldn’t change myself. And I was dead serious about what I said. I was so sick and tired of all the people around me who condemned me to hell and the majority of it came from people in the church that called themselves “christians”. I truly HATED them………adding yet another sin into the category of many in my life. But, God had a plan for me. After about a couple months of the yelling at God incident, He touched me in a way that changed my life. And I am being for real here. I was still drinking, smoking, doing drugs, having sex, among other things one night, and then the very next day I woke up with a desire in my heart to go to church. That was a very awkward feeling because I hadnt been in years and I was still hungover and smelling pretty bad from the night before. And I fought it for like an hour or so, but I finally broke and went to the church that I hated. But, I didnt go for the people. I went because I thought “Well, God, if this is the answer to my prayer, then I better go.” So, I went. And something happened to me there. That was the first time I believe that I ever went to church searching for God. Most times people go to church to be seen, or to socialize, or to receive a blessing. All self-motivated reasons. I’ve been guilty of that as well. But not this time……..I went to see what God was planning. I wanted to know why this all of a sudden desire was put into my heart. And I found out……..I believe with all my heart that God used the preacher as His mouthpiece that day because there was no way that the preacher could have known every single thing that I was dealing with, not just on the outside but on the inside as well……..and HE spoke volumes to me…..not the preacher, God through the preacher. And when your sins get revealed by God, you have 2 choices: run away from God, or run to God…..and I ran with all my might to him. And as God as my witness, from that day forward I have not ever went back to any of that mess and the desire that I used to have for it all has been washed away! And I praise God for that. Now, I said all that to say all this. I didnt come in here to try to “win” yall. I came here to let yall know that yall are people just like me. Im not better than any of you. But I do know one thing, God knows(whether you believe Him or not) how to bring a person to the realization of His awesome glory. He knows what He has to give you or take away from you to get you to look up. Thats all I am saying. God is not a respector of persons and He does not look at anyone any different than anyone else. I just want yall to know that I am sorry for the so called “christians” that keep rubbing God’s name through the mud. And I know that the number 1 reason why there is Athiesm in the world today is because you guys see how we, as christians, act…….and it is no different from the rest of the world. Why should yall believe in something that we really dont magnify ourselves? So, I am so sorry on the behalf of us all. And I hope yall have a great rest of the day

  • shelbi

    You got it all wrong. First i want to say i am believer in Christ. I am glad they have that site. Yea we are seperating us from the bad stuff. Why do you actually think we have the christian sites? i am not saying to have a myspace would be bad, but the main idea behind hisholyspace is to have one without worrying about seeing bad stuff like you see on myspace that goes the same as Godtube
    p.s.
    if you are not save now you wasn’t save before
    i speak on a lot of Christians and a part of being saved is believing, and i know yall probably try to think i am condemning you for saying this but here it goes. we are never guaranteed a tomorrow the rapture will come at anytime and if you die where would you be heaven or hell and no you don’t earn your way to heaven by good works but you get Christ in your heart even though we don’t deserve it
    For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of your selves it is the gift of God
    Ephesians 2;8
    for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
    romans 6;23


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