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	<title>Comments on: Teaching the Bible in Public School</title>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Teaching the Bible in Texas Schools</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-28614</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Teaching the Bible in Texas Schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 17:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Time magazine also write about this subject a couple months ago. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Time magazine also write about this subject a couple months ago. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin ady</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-17706</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin ady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the Australians have kind of figured this thing out. the public schools there have optional religion classes which are taught by people who are hired by the church. So really any church (or, I suppose, atheists ... or what have you) can hire people and offer an optional class during this time period, and it is left up to the parents and students to decide whether to attend, and lots of them do attend. From what I understand, nobody considers it a huge deal. but then the Aussies seem a lot more matter-of-fact and sensible in lots of areas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the Australians have kind of figured this thing out. the public schools there have optional religion classes which are taught by people who are hired by the church. So really any church (or, I suppose, atheists &#8230; or what have you) can hire people and offer an optional class during this time period, and it is left up to the parents and students to decide whether to attend, and lots of them do attend. From what I understand, nobody considers it a huge deal. but then the Aussies seem a lot more matter-of-fact and sensible in lots of areas!</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Bible vs. Talibanistan</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-17436</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Bible vs. Talibanistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remember that Time magazine cover from a couple weeks ago? The one about teaching the Bible in public schools? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remember that Time magazine cover from a couple weeks ago? The one about teaching the Bible in public schools? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13822</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, satire can be a wonderful thing.  It&#039;s unfortunate that my 23-minute long attempt at it on Google Video apparently failed gloriously.  :(  My initial reaction to the David Mills &quot;dog poop &amp; bible&quot; video was extreme anger, but once I got myself calmed down I thought that humor would be a good response.  I really, really tried.  At least I had some fun with it!  :)

On my blog I embedded the one Blasphemy Challenge video that I really, truly appreciated.  It uses humor too.  It is OFF THE SCALE to watch a picture of Christ himself denying himself!  I couldn&#039;t stop laughing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, satire can be a wonderful thing.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that my 23-minute long attempt at it on Google Video apparently failed gloriously.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   My initial reaction to the David Mills &#8220;dog poop &amp; bible&#8221; video was extreme anger, but once I got myself calmed down I thought that humor would be a good response.  I really, really tried.  At least I had some fun with it!  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On my blog I embedded the one Blasphemy Challenge video that I really, truly appreciated.  It uses humor too.  It is OFF THE SCALE to watch a picture of Christ himself denying himself!  I couldn&#8217;t stop laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13722</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, thanks for that video.  It&#039;s hilarious.  Satire often requires &quot;flawed reasoning&quot; or at least being over the top to make an important point.

I think the strength of Blasphemy Challenge is that it&#039;s usually tongue-in-cheek.  As things like this go along they sometimes start taking themselves too seriously.  To stay strong, movements need not just the challenge of satire and ridicule from opponents outside, but from proponents inside as well.  Otherwise self-importance, arrogance and intellectual sloth settles in.

(Sigh) So much to mock, so little time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, thanks for that video.  It&#8217;s hilarious.  Satire often requires &#8220;flawed reasoning&#8221; or at least being over the top to make an important point.</p>
<p>I think the strength of Blasphemy Challenge is that it&#8217;s usually tongue-in-cheek.  As things like this go along they sometimes start taking themselves too seriously.  To stay strong, movements need not just the challenge of satire and ridicule from opponents outside, but from proponents inside as well.  Otherwise self-importance, arrogance and intellectual sloth settles in.</p>
<p>(Sigh) So much to mock, so little time.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13641</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;puppy kicking?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, somebody got that!  :)  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.xanga.com/Beloved_Spear/ef26d256201/video.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://video.xanga.com/Beloved_Spear/ef26d256201/video.html&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s a really cute video.  I just don&#039;t agree with the flawed reasoning.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>puppy kicking?</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, somebody got that!  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p><a href="http://video.xanga.com/Beloved_Spear/ef26d256201/video.html" rel="nofollow">http://video.xanga.com/Beloved_Spear/ef26d256201/video.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a really cute video.  I just don&#8217;t agree with the flawed reasoning.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13622</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>puppy kicking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>puppy kicking?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13562</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The “Atheist upbringing” of my own children (when I have them) will be as follows: along with the standard stuff (evolution, critical thinking, puppy kicking), they WILL get to know the bible. They will be introduced to christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. and the concept of religion in general, and I will do my best to make that introduction as unbiased as possible. Any “pro-faith” choices they might end up making in their lives will be based solely upon available information and not upon any sort of indoctrination, and I will be okay with that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a great approach. We&#039;re planning to expose our kids to multiple religions as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The “Atheist upbringing” of my own children (when I have them) will be as follows: along with the standard stuff (evolution, critical thinking, puppy kicking), they WILL get to know the bible. They will be introduced to christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. and the concept of religion in general, and I will do my best to make that introduction as unbiased as possible. Any “pro-faith” choices they might end up making in their lives will be based solely upon available information and not upon any sort of indoctrination, and I will be okay with that.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a great approach. We&#8217;re planning to expose our kids to multiple religions as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/03/22/teaching-the-bible-in-public-school/#comment-13527</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it has nothing to do with the freedom, joy, grace, and mystery that I want my kids to experience from their faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s also a good point, Mike C.  Faith is always best when it&#039;s freely experienced, not forced.  I&#039;m something of an exception in that I was never indoctrinated into christianity during my youth, but I ended up leaving it behind anyway.  Those who hold onto belief because it is their &lt;em&gt;own&lt;/em&gt; choice and not someone else&#039;s are, IMHO, much more likely to be the reasonable, rational people society needs to continue functioning well.  I could be wrong.

The &quot;Atheist upbringing&quot; of my own children (when I have them) will be as follows:  along with the standard stuff (evolution, critical thinking, puppy kicking), they WILL get to know the bible.  They will be introduced to christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. and the concept of religion in general, and I will do my best to make that introduction as unbiased as possible.  Any &quot;pro-faith&quot; choices they might end up making in their lives will be based solely upon &lt;em&gt;available information&lt;/em&gt; and not upon any sort of indoctrination, and I will be okay with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it has nothing to do with the freedom, joy, grace, and mystery that I want my kids to experience from their faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s also a good point, Mike C.  Faith is always best when it&#8217;s freely experienced, not forced.  I&#8217;m something of an exception in that I was never indoctrinated into christianity during my youth, but I ended up leaving it behind anyway.  Those who hold onto belief because it is their <em>own</em> choice and not someone else&#8217;s are, IMHO, much more likely to be the reasonable, rational people society needs to continue functioning well.  I could be wrong.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Atheist upbringing&#8221; of my own children (when I have them) will be as follows:  along with the standard stuff (evolution, critical thinking, puppy kicking), they WILL get to know the bible.  They will be introduced to christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. and the concept of religion in general, and I will do my best to make that introduction as unbiased as possible.  Any &#8220;pro-faith&#8221; choices they might end up making in their lives will be based solely upon <em>available information</em> and not upon any sort of indoctrination, and I will be okay with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m starting to come to the conclusion that manditory bible study in school SHOULD be required.

And school prayer.

It’ll make Jesus the uncoolest thing in the world to kids. EXCELLENT! My evil plan is working!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s actually a good point. That&#039;s part of why I would never send my kids to a Christian school. I think combining religion with the authoritarianism and general unpleasantness of the American educational experience can often be fatal to a young person&#039;s faith. When I was a youth pastor I saw it over and over again with the kids who came to us from the local Christian high school. Their experience of having belief forced on them by the school, of being tested and graded on it, of having the typical school rules and added legalisms of a conservative Christian environment treated as if they were on the level of biblical commands often combined to make these kids completely cynical and disgusted with what they&#039;d seen of Christianity. And it has nothing to do with the freedom, joy, grace, and mystery that I want my kids to experience from their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m starting to come to the conclusion that manditory bible study in school SHOULD be required.</p>
<p>And school prayer.</p>
<p>It’ll make Jesus the uncoolest thing in the world to kids. EXCELLENT! My evil plan is working!</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s actually a good point. That&#8217;s part of why I would never send my kids to a Christian school. I think combining religion with the authoritarianism and general unpleasantness of the American educational experience can often be fatal to a young person&#8217;s faith. When I was a youth pastor I saw it over and over again with the kids who came to us from the local Christian high school. Their experience of having belief forced on them by the school, of being tested and graded on it, of having the typical school rules and added legalisms of a conservative Christian environment treated as if they were on the level of biblical commands often combined to make these kids completely cynical and disgusted with what they&#8217;d seen of Christianity. And it has nothing to do with the freedom, joy, grace, and mystery that I want my kids to experience from their faith.</p>
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