You should probably stop casting your pearls before Christian swine.

“The insult would be if we (Christians) did not try to reach out to a lost world of people who will go to a Godless hell”
- Can you demonstrate that that’s actually *true*? If not, then why should anybody take you seriously?

I especially do not want to hear it in a room I am paying good money for. I deface and trash the Gideon bibles with the *INTENTION* of costing them money.

If the creator of life, the universe, and everything has such an important message, surely it doesn’t need a cheaply-printed book slipped into hotel rooms to get it across.

Gideon Bibles. Yes these are what makes the KJV the best selling book. Christians coerced into donating money to evangelise them. The best selling, least read (as in studied properly) book. Wish I could come up with such a good money making idea…

Keep your sin laden lives to yourselves, as you are the only one who

believes these fairy stories.

You try to influence our politics, our school room education, and our sex lives. The world has moved on John, you havn’t! Keep your archaic ways to yourselves.
Yes we do take it as an insult to our intelligence, being asked to believe such tosh.

I also take it as an insult that you think we are all junkies too. We have better things to do than look for pot. Another brainwashed Christian who just resorts to insults. Brainwashed is not insulting you all. Just stating a fact.

How sad that you have to believe bronze age myths (used to keep the plebs in order) instead of studying the wonders of the universe (god made or not) and trying to get on with everyone, not just those who have your sick beliefs!

Christianity along with Judaism and Islam are the most divisive instruments of powere abuse on this planet. The cause of most wars, death, destruction, famines, destroyers of women’s rights etc. You all insist that you are right and all others are hell bound, just because a bronze age, desert tribe’s book says so! Wow that is really intelligent John.

What a pity you didn’t smoke the pot and chuck the Gideon down the pan!

The education I was suggesting for you was firstly about logic & critical thinking, the pitfalls and fallacies to avoid *. Perhaps it would stop or at least caution you and other so-called good Christians name calling too?
How many evolutionists do you personally know Sally? You say those that you do know are fools. The ones I know are nobody’s fool and get upset when ignoramuses resort to insults as a last ditch attempt to win a fallacious argument! By the way that fallacious thinking is called an ‘ad hominem’ attack. When there is no real argument, just insult the person to make yourself feel good and ‘right’ (politicians are good at this emotional trick). If we responded in kind we would be soon dismissed, so matter how correct our science was. Nobody likes a smart arse, but also no one likes the rude smart arse who knows it all without any evidence! Unless you count a bronze age holy book written before science had explored the Universe.

What I really had in mind for you though was more especially about educating yourself about evolution (** see book suggestions at end of this), rather than taking your pastors word as ‘gospel’.
Sally, evolution is not made up, but follows very strict scientific principles. When you hear the word ‘theory‘ you seem to understand only one of its meanings. Any good dictionary will give you all the meanings. In science, a theory is something that has been tested and not found wanting. Testing done anywhere in the world will yield the same results (unlike religion which is different all over the world, and even different churches in the same town!). It could be modified as new evidence comes in, but once having achieved the status of theory, it can be assumed to be sound thinking, a solid foundation for further research. Without science we would still be living in caves or desert tents! Perhaps you would prefer bronze age living?

One of sciences greatest principles is falsifiability. If research has hinted at a theory from a hypothesis, it is tested to destruction. It only takes one piece of evidence and your pet theory will be dismissed by the rest of the scientific community, or at the least adapted to take in the new findings.
With evolution there has not been one piece of contradictory evidence, no not one! Developments, yes. Darwin et al would be happy with all the new findings since his day.

The only contradictory ‘evidence’ has come from Creationist & ID ‘scientists’, which has been thoroughly routed by all real scientists! I know that will be hard to accept, but these psuedo scientists make themselves a laughing stock. This is NOT being said in an unkind way, it is just facing up to verifiable facts.
I am reminded of the 1960 Spencer Tracy film ‘inherit the wind’ where the fundamentalist laywer/preacher was tied in knots by his opposite lawyer with a better knowledge of the bible and its contradictions. Most thinking Christians are aware of all the problems in the bible and just live as Christians, trying to follow the best teaching of Christ (there are some suspect teaching in Christ’s teaching too). Atheists don’t have a problem with this kind of Christian. Just the ones who can’t keep it to themselves, especially in matters of Politics, education and sex.
I think you will find, following on from the above statement, that if the evidence came in to prove god, then all atheists would test it and if found true would convert overnight. I know you probably find that hard to believe, but we get so frustrated at people like yourself who say we are running away from truth. When the opposite is true. We are seekers of the truth, and yet find no convincing evidence in any of the world religions so-called holy books!
You say you don’t need to be brainwashed. I know, someone has already done a good job on you already!
Being alive (having the breath of god in you) is a gift whatever our differing opinions, but I still say that it is never to late to get a real education! I never stop learning, why are you so adverse to getting a verifiable education instead believeing in unproveable fairy stories?

Answering your numbered points answered by number in case not covered above:

1) Alcohol: Sally, I already said moderation in all things. Does Proverbs contradict Christ’s turning water into wine, or does Christ’s teaching supercede OT teachings?

2) Foetuses alive or No? No simple answer here Sally as potential for life is not viable (able to survive outside the womb) life! Should we shun modern machinery that is extending the period that early births can be kept alive?

3a) Abortionists and abortion killers all wrong? Partly Sally, What about terminating a foetus that will kill the mother ( eg Eptopic prgnancy) or a woman who was raped, thus making her a victim twice (getting raped and keeping his baby)?

3b) You then go on about revenge killing against somone who has killed one of your loved ones… Sally, The Old Testament (which Americas seems to live by) is very much a believer in an eye for an eye philosophy, but I don’t see many Christians turning the other cheek! Sally, what is the difference between not killing an abortionist and not killing someone who has murdered?

3c) The people God killed were up to something: Yes Sally, especially the babies god ordered to be smashed against rocks! etc.
I don’t find biblical stories to be moral at all! A spiteful, vengeful, petulant God. No thank you.

4a) You (all) don’t believe. You are just like ALL the other religions. Atheism is your religion, about which you are very passionate: Sally, I am not passionate about atheism, only the Truth.

4b) Atheist are like ALL the other religions: Sounds like you have a lot of hatred for anyone who doesn’t aggree with your version of the truth (otherwise why capitalise ALL?). Once again (sighs) Atheism is not a belief system. We only are interested in what can be proven. As you can’t prove a negative, there is no point in wasting time arguing for or against the existence of a god(s). This muddled thinking is what has caused the rise of so many Religions and thousands of denominations within Christianity itself! And more importantly the go trips that lead to the deaths of the millions killed in the name of god and his various religions. WAKE UP SALLY, please.

5a) I am set free by the truth – you are running away from the truth. Sally, I have already explained I seek the truth, I am not running anywhere, away from or to. especially to invisible friends!

5b) “Death threats and HELL-FIRE”………. time will tell, just be patient please. You will find whether the Soul and Spirit CAN burn: Capitals again Sally. Had enough of hell fire threats as a child to last a life time. I don’t need the carrot and stick god for my moral guide. I can be good without threats of hell fire. My mum taught me to stay away from fire so as not to get burned. This sounds just like a ‘grown up’ version for ‘adults’.

6) Christianity is a way of life…. All you have to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved: Sally, Born again is an insult to your creator. The all-knowing God didn’t get it right the first time, so we have to pay for our distant ancestors mistakes. Crazy thinking.

7) God did not kill his Son. His Son proved that you can kill the body but not the Spirit: What? So Christs resurection was not his body? Also God was his Son according to doctrine of Trinity. Wierd and wooly thinking Sally, trying to justify all the time an evil ‘loving’ god.

The most foolish people I know are evolutionists…….. REALLY. I do not wish to educated by them. They are like little children – making up stories: Sally see above, science is a very strict discipline that suffers no fools! You are the one with the made up scary stories! Sorry Sally but I still don’t understand how you have been hoodwinked?

9)Scientists are slowly acknowledging that THERE IS A GOD……. It was so hard for them to admit it…. but they do: Sally I don’t know where you get your ‘facts’ from. There are some scientists who believe in God, of course there are (currently about 2%). But if you question them, as I and others do, you will find they don’t believe in the type of God as found in the Bible, a father figure who saves you or punishes you etc. God is more a figure of speech to explain the stuff science hasn’t got round to, YET! That is what really scares Christians.

10)Finally Graham, you left Christianity because you witnessed what? You left because you didn’t want any challenges: Sally you assume to much. The easy way would have been to pass the buck onto God, but I face my own challenges. Listening to judgemental, lying Christian hypocrites was not necessary for my evolution, especially if god planted them. What a deceiptful wretch God is.

Compassion, understanding and learning from each other will do for me thanks Sally.

If praying for me gives you comfort, then thank you, but I don’t need your prayers. Again you assume to much.

Graham x
* Christian Guide to Learning Logic At Home-Nathaniel Bluedorn
** Two good books that I think might help in your quest at marrying evolution & spirituality (as you already supposedly have the second part?).
1 Thank God for Evolution by Michael Dowd.
2. Science of Evolution and the Myth of Creationism by Ardea Skybreak.
Happy reading