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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-39014</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mike, you’re already helping, but it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science. There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
Does anyone know about something like this for science? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have joined this group as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mike, you’re already helping, but it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science. There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as Americans United for Separation of Church and State.<br />
Does anyone know about something like this for science? </p></blockquote>
<p>I have joined this group as well.</p>
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		<title>By: religious atheism &#171; Trinifar</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-24035</link>
		<dc:creator>religious atheism &#171; Trinifar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Religion is not influencing public policy on climate change, creationism, stem cell research, abortion, and gay marriage. The influence derives from a minority of true believers and fanatics, their leaders, and the powerful organizations they have constructed. They may say religion is their justification, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they speak for all religious people Since when, especially in America with our history, have we begun to endorse holding an entire group responsible for the words or behavior of a few? Doing so is not rational. Doing so with a semantically weak label like religion is just silly. *By recent discussion I mean the twist in the framing science debate which has caused many to emphasize what they say is a kind of ultimate conflict between atheism and religion. It&#8217;s now spread so wide I can only refer you to recent posts on Trinifar (see the index) and this almost random sampling of links: link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, and link. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Religion is not influencing public policy on climate change, creationism, stem cell research, abortion, and gay marriage. The influence derives from a minority of true believers and fanatics, their leaders, and the powerful organizations they have constructed. They may say religion is their justification, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they speak for all religious people Since when, especially in America with our history, have we begun to endorse holding an entire group responsible for the words or behavior of a few? Doing so is not rational. Doing so with a semantically weak label like religion is just silly. *By recent discussion I mean the twist in the framing science debate which has caused many to emphasize what they say is a kind of ultimate conflict between atheism and religion. It&#8217;s now spread so wide I can only refer you to recent posts on Trinifar (see the index) and this almost random sampling of links: link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, link, and link. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21813</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science. There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as Americans United for Separation of Church and State.  Does anyone know about something like this for science?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Good question Richard, I&#039;d like to be a part of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science. There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as Americans United for Separation of Church and State.  Does anyone know about something like this for science?</p></blockquote>
<p>Good question Richard, I&#8217;d like to be a part of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21664</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m all for working together in support of science. What can I do to help? &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Mike, you&#039;re already helping, but it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science.  There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.au.org/site/PageServer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Americans United for Separation of Church and State.&lt;/a&gt;
Does anyone know about something like this for science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m all for working together in support of science. What can I do to help? </p></blockquote>
<p>Mike, you&#8217;re already helping, but it would be nice to be a part of a formal group of scientists, lay people, seculars and clerics who work together to promote better public understanding of science.  There are a few such organizations focusing on political issues, such as <a href="http://www.au.org/site/PageServer" rel="nofollow">Americans United for Separation of Church and State.</a><br />
Does anyone know about something like this for science?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21663</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Your a trip! LOLOLOLOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Your a trip! LOLOLOLOL</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21659</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And verily He drew forth a holy healing handkerchief and blew upon it with his nose. And He looked upon it and saw that it was good.  And He put the holy healing handkerchief back into its place in his robe and drew forth a multitude of holy healing handkerchiefs, so that all there might be blessed by their own holy healing handkerchiefs and cleanse their nasal passages of all sin and defilement.  And they all blew upon their holy healing handkerchiefs with their noses and there came forth great flood of corruption and they were sore afraid, but the holy healing handkerchiefs stemmed the tide.  And He said unto them, &quot;Blessed are those who keep their noses clean, for they shall breathe easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And verily He drew forth a holy healing handkerchief and blew upon it with his nose. And He looked upon it and saw that it was good.  And He put the holy healing handkerchief back into its place in his robe and drew forth a multitude of holy healing handkerchiefs, so that all there might be blessed by their own holy healing handkerchiefs and cleanse their nasal passages of all sin and defilement.  And they all blew upon their holy healing handkerchiefs with their noses and there came forth great flood of corruption and they were sore afraid, but the holy healing handkerchiefs stemmed the tide.  And He said unto them, &#8220;Blessed are those who keep their noses clean, for they shall breathe easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21658</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am a science communicator. It’s what I do for a living. I give performances about science for children in schools and libraries. I’m very good at making science fun and interesting. It’s not all fluff; I show them not just what science knows, but how science knows. I have given thousands of performances about dinosaurs, volcanoes or astronomy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, what a great career, Richard! I am sure that you are making a big impact on kids, parents and teachers with your presentations. And if you can light a spark of interest in science - plus make it accessible to non-scientists - I&#039;m sure you&#039;re doing wonderful work that will have terrific repercussions for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am a science communicator. It’s what I do for a living. I give performances about science for children in schools and libraries. I’m very good at making science fun and interesting. It’s not all fluff; I show them not just what science knows, but how science knows. I have given thousands of performances about dinosaurs, volcanoes or astronomy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, what a great career, Richard! I am sure that you are making a big impact on kids, parents and teachers with your presentations. And if you can light a spark of interest in science &#8211; plus make it accessible to non-scientists &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re doing wonderful work that will have terrific repercussions for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21653</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

One conversation at a time is good.  Sometimes I get these grandiose ideas of spreading the atheist words to everyone, loud and proud!  hmmmm, I am sure  its would work much better for me, one conversation at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>One conversation at a time is good.  Sometimes I get these grandiose ideas of spreading the atheist words to everyone, loud and proud!  hmmmm, I am sure  its would work much better for me, one conversation at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21650</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I as an atheist do not believe that all religious *gotta go*. As I have said numerous times, religion is a life savor for many when they would not have anywhere else to go. I can&#039;t pull in that life savor if I don&#039;t have anything else to replace it with.

But, if I belonged to an organization and in that organization, I as well as many others did not want the more radicals of the group to be representative of me, I should like to think we would be more outspoken of this fact and possibly even band together to get more public awareness out that those radicals/fundies/whackos were not representative of the majority of us.

I am up late at nights, many times surfing the tv channels.  You cannot believe how much whacky religion shows are on at night.  I am speaking about the ones that for a small price will send you healing handkerchiefs, holy water or somehow for a small price will be able to lay their hands on you through the television to heal you.

I understand the right to freedom of speech and anyone can buy time on the air waves, but if I was a moderate religious organization I would have to speak out loudly and readily of the dangers of this sort of scam.  I think we all take for granted that its apparent that these things are scams, but we have to remember the desperate people out there that will grasp at anything many times to hold on to that last bit of hope.  

Although, I guess it would be kind of hard to back up my warning of the scams of healing handkercheifs and holy water since those sorts of miracles are throughout the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I as an atheist do not believe that all religious *gotta go*. As I have said numerous times, religion is a life savor for many when they would not have anywhere else to go. I can&#8217;t pull in that life savor if I don&#8217;t have anything else to replace it with.</p>
<p>But, if I belonged to an organization and in that organization, I as well as many others did not want the more radicals of the group to be representative of me, I should like to think we would be more outspoken of this fact and possibly even band together to get more public awareness out that those radicals/fundies/whackos were not representative of the majority of us.</p>
<p>I am up late at nights, many times surfing the tv channels.  You cannot believe how much whacky religion shows are on at night.  I am speaking about the ones that for a small price will send you healing handkerchiefs, holy water or somehow for a small price will be able to lay their hands on you through the television to heal you.</p>
<p>I understand the right to freedom of speech and anyone can buy time on the air waves, but if I was a moderate religious organization I would have to speak out loudly and readily of the dangers of this sort of scam.  I think we all take for granted that its apparent that these things are scams, but we have to remember the desperate people out there that will grasp at anything many times to hold on to that last bit of hope.  </p>
<p>Although, I guess it would be kind of hard to back up my warning of the scams of healing handkercheifs and holy water since those sorts of miracles are throughout the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/04/17/framing-science/#comment-21642</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here’s a problem to solve: try to adapt Dawkins (and Harris?) so as to target the fundamentalists (anti-science) without offending the moderates (pro-science). I imagine that this would have to entail banding together with right-thinking faithfuls to send a message to the fundies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m all for working together in support of science. What can I do to help? :)

I mean, I&#039;m not a teacher or in a Christian university anymore, and I&#039;m not really all that into science as a hobby either, but I already described above what I&#039;m doing to help the cause in my little corner of the world to change the minds of two of my friends. That&#039;s kind of how I try to make a difference these days - one conversation at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here’s a problem to solve: try to adapt Dawkins (and Harris?) so as to target the fundamentalists (anti-science) without offending the moderates (pro-science). I imagine that this would have to entail banding together with right-thinking faithfuls to send a message to the fundies.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m all for working together in support of science. What can I do to help? <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;m not a teacher or in a Christian university anymore, and I&#8217;m not really all that into science as a hobby either, but I already described above what I&#8217;m doing to help the cause in my little corner of the world to change the minds of two of my friends. That&#8217;s kind of how I try to make a difference these days &#8211; one conversation at a time.</p>
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