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	<title>Comments on: Freedom From Religion Foundation Membership</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/01/freedom-from-religion-foundation-membership/#comment-25052</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If religion is banished from public it is oppressive - why is that a straw man?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who in the world is trying to &quot;banish&quot; religion? All the FFRF is trying to do is prohibit &lt;strong&gt;government endorsement or promotion&lt;/strong&gt; of any one religion or another.

Freedom of religion allows people to practice and promote any religion they wish. 
Freedom from religion allows those who do not choose to adhere to any religion the freedom to do so. 

Both rights are guaranteed in our Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If religion is banished from public it is oppressive &#8211; why is that a straw man?</p></blockquote>
<p>Who in the world is trying to &#8220;banish&#8221; religion? All the FFRF is trying to do is prohibit <strong>government endorsement or promotion</strong> of any one religion or another.</p>
<p>Freedom of religion allows people to practice and promote any religion they wish.<br />
Freedom from religion allows those who do not choose to adhere to any religion the freedom to do so. </p>
<p>Both rights are guaranteed in our Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Hemant</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/01/freedom-from-religion-foundation-membership/#comment-25037</link>
		<dc:creator>Hemant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So what was the outcome of this case?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The outcome has not been decided (or released) yet.  Expect it sometime early this summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So what was the outcome of this case?</p></blockquote>
<p>The outcome has not been decided (or released) yet.  Expect it sometime early this summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/01/freedom-from-religion-foundation-membership/#comment-25026</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, one can not  have freedom OF religion unless they can have freedom FROM religion.  The phrase freedom of religion is not in the constitution either.  What it does state is this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. ~ from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmenti &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can read more on this http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/First_amendment

As for your other question FFRF answers that too http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Isn&#039;t removing religion from public places hostile to religion?&lt;/strong&gt;
No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers.

Some countries, such as the U.S.S.R., expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran (&quot;one nation under God&quot;), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course--neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, go ahead and pray, if you wish, just don&#039;t insist others do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, one can not  have freedom OF religion unless they can have freedom FROM religion.  The phrase freedom of religion is not in the constitution either.  What it does state is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Amendment I<br />
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. ~ from <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmenti" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmenti</a> </p></blockquote>
<p>You can read more on this <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/First_amendment" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/First_amendment</a></p>
<p>As for your other question FFRF answers that too <a href="http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php</a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Isn&#8217;t removing religion from public places hostile to religion?</strong><br />
No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers.</p>
<p>Some countries, such as the U.S.S.R., expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran (&#8220;one nation under God&#8221;), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course&#8211;neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, go ahead and pray, if you wish, just don&#8217;t insist others do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 12:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there is a big difference between the establishment of a religion and the right not to be exposed to religion. If religion is banished from public it is oppressive - why is that a straw man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there is a big difference between the establishment of a religion and the right not to be exposed to religion. If religion is banished from public it is oppressive &#8211; why is that a straw man?</p>
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		<title>By: valhar2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 10:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what was the outcome of this case?

Ian: The idea of freedom from religion comes from the fact that the Constitution forbids a governmental establishment of religion. And that thing about enforcing secularism is one big juicy strawman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what was the outcome of this case?</p>
<p>Ian: The idea of freedom from religion comes from the fact that the Constitution forbids a governmental establishment of religion. And that thing about enforcing secularism is one big juicy strawman.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm. Where does the idea of &#039;freedom from religion&#039; come from. I thought the US Consitution was about Freedom of Religion. How do they come up with that phrase? 

Would it be as equally wrong for a public figure to instruct people NOT to pray? Getting rid of religion from the public square is surely oppresive in the extreme (as extreme as the crazy theocrats who want to enforce religious morality). To enforce secularism is based on the delusion that somehow faith is a private thing that has no place in public. I like Jim Wallis&#039;s statement that &quot;faith may be personal, but it is never private&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm. Where does the idea of &#8216;freedom from religion&#8217; come from. I thought the US Consitution was about Freedom of Religion. How do they come up with that phrase? </p>
<p>Would it be as equally wrong for a public figure to instruct people NOT to pray? Getting rid of religion from the public square is surely oppresive in the extreme (as extreme as the crazy theocrats who want to enforce religious morality). To enforce secularism is based on the delusion that somehow faith is a private thing that has no place in public. I like Jim Wallis&#8217;s statement that &#8220;faith may be personal, but it is never private&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 05:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant, I joined a few weeks ago immediately after you featured their Supreme Court case on this website.  Thanks for doing that.  Their newspaper, &quot;Freethought Today&quot; is extensive with a wide variety of well written articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant, I joined a few weeks ago immediately after you featured their Supreme Court case on this website.  Thanks for doing that.  Their newspaper, &#8220;Freethought Today&#8221; is extensive with a wide variety of well written articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/01/freedom-from-religion-foundation-membership/#comment-24737</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 02:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a member and enjoy their podcasts too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a member and enjoy their podcasts too.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a member for a few years now and think it&#039;s one of the best atheists groups around.    There&#039;s absolutely no pressure to be a certain kind of atheist.   I love the newspaper and look forward to each years essay contest for students.   Perhaps it makes me an old fogey but dang - kids sure are more outspoken these days. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a member for a few years now and think it&#8217;s one of the best atheists groups around.    There&#8217;s absolutely no pressure to be a certain kind of atheist.   I love the newspaper and look forward to each years essay contest for students.   Perhaps it makes me an old fogey but dang &#8211; kids sure are more outspoken these days. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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