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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/08/australian-on-humanist-chaplains/#comment-26405</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps Epstein serves as a model of non-theistic chaplaincy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think he does.  While I don&#039;t know him personally, I think he is filling his job as a Humanist Celebrant very well and meeting the requirements of the position very well from what I&#039;ve been hearing.  There are some things that aren&#039;t perfect and need some honing, but he is trying.  What more can one require of a human being who is helping to fulfill human needs?  Thus why I think he would be a very good model.  To be honest, IF I ever go through with becoming a Humanist Celebrant myself, I hope to remember his efforts and learn a few things from him along the way, even if it is indirectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps Epstein serves as a model of non-theistic chaplaincy.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he does.  While I don&#8217;t know him personally, I think he is filling his job as a Humanist Celebrant very well and meeting the requirements of the position very well from what I&#8217;ve been hearing.  There are some things that aren&#8217;t perfect and need some honing, but he is trying.  What more can one require of a human being who is helping to fulfill human needs?  Thus why I think he would be a very good model.  To be honest, IF I ever go through with becoming a Humanist Celebrant myself, I hope to remember his efforts and learn a few things from him along the way, even if it is indirectly.</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/08/australian-on-humanist-chaplains/#comment-26400</link>
		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t really mean to knock Epstein (though I do think the singing is hokey). I&#039;m sure he&#039;s doing great work; indeed my point was that if the Australian government is going to fund religious chaplains in public schools, they ought to fund chaplains of a non-theistic background as well. Perhaps Epstein serves as a model of non-theistic chaplaincy.

&lt;i&gt;Yes, I know, spiritual has religious connotations, but I don’t mean it in a religious sense, but until we find a word that is just as powerful and meaningful to describe feelings of awe and wonder, that numinous feeling that is undescribable with words, and/or transcendence and alike, that’s the best the human language has to offer, even for the non-religious.&lt;/i&gt;

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_(philosophy)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sublime?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really mean to knock Epstein (though I do think the singing is hokey). I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s doing great work; indeed my point was that if the Australian government is going to fund religious chaplains in public schools, they ought to fund chaplains of a non-theistic background as well. Perhaps Epstein serves as a model of non-theistic chaplaincy.</p>
<p><i>Yes, I know, spiritual has religious connotations, but I don’t mean it in a religious sense, but until we find a word that is just as powerful and meaningful to describe feelings of awe and wonder, that numinous feeling that is undescribable with words, and/or transcendence and alike, that’s the best the human language has to offer, even for the non-religious.</i></p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_(philosophy)" rel="nofollow">sublime?</a></p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I&#039;ve always hated church music.  Also, I wish I could just pick out music I like without having to consider whatever ideas, ideals, cultures, or subcultures they represent.  In other words, I like music for the music, and I wish that it didn&#039;t all have this other conceptual baggage attached.  I hate church music, but that shouldn&#039;t say anything else about me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I&#8217;ve always hated church music.  Also, I wish I could just pick out music I like without having to consider whatever ideas, ideals, cultures, or subcultures they represent.  In other words, I like music for the music, and I wish that it didn&#8217;t all have this other conceptual baggage attached.  I hate church music, but that shouldn&#8217;t say anything else about me.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C.L.,
He wrote that song so long ago that several new elements have since been added to the table.  Somewhere I saw a similar video with a list of the new ones added on at the end.   

I hesitated to mention two more of his songs since I don&#039;t want to encourage negative or disrespectful treatment of religion, ...but the temptation is too much.  Click &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and scroll down to read the lyrics to &quot;A Christmas Carol,&quot; and &quot;The Vatican Rag.&quot; Hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.L.,<br />
He wrote that song so long ago that several new elements have since been added to the table.  Somewhere I saw a similar video with a list of the new ones added on at the end.   </p>
<p>I hesitated to mention two more of his songs since I don&#8217;t want to encourage negative or disrespectful treatment of religion, &#8230;but the temptation is too much.  Click <a href="http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and scroll down to read the lyrics to &#8220;A Christmas Carol,&#8221; and &#8220;The Vatican Rag.&#8221; Hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard -- that is fabulous!!!

I&#039;m bookmarking that song and taking it as a personal challenge!!! ;^)

I love all of the little images that flash on the screen for each element -- like Superman for a split second for Krypton.  (In truth my kids would rather sing about Spiderman than about science, but that&#039;s okay. ;^) ).  Plus I love the ending about how there may be more but that&#039;s all Harvard has heard about. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8212; that is fabulous!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m bookmarking that song and taking it as a personal challenge!!! ;^)</p>
<p>I love all of the little images that flash on the screen for each element &#8212; like Superman for a split second for Krypton.  (In truth my kids would rather sing about Spiderman than about science, but that&#8217;s okay. ;^) ).  Plus I love the ending about how there may be more but that&#8217;s all Harvard has heard about. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C.L., that&#039;s a great start for a &quot;hymn book.&quot; Add to it Tom Lehrer&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/IEC/elementsong.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Elements.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  Anyone who can sing that all the way through gets to be an officer in the local chapter of Secular Student Alliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.L., that&#8217;s a great start for a &#8220;hymn book.&#8221; Add to it Tom Lehrer&#8217;s <a href="http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/IEC/elementsong.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Elements.&#8221;</a>  Anyone who can sing that all the way through gets to be an officer in the local chapter of Secular Student Alliance.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/08/australian-on-humanist-chaplains/#comment-26215</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get what&#039;s funny about it.  If humanists form communities based on shared values, it&#039;s natural that song would play a role.

I like singing Science-related songs with my sons for fun.  One of my son Nico&#039;s favorite songs to sing is the Schoolhouse Rock &quot;Gravity&quot; song (about Galileo: &quot;...he did experiments with a force he could not see; he found that all things fall to Earth at the very same speed...&quot;).  Other fun ones include They Might Be Giants&#039; cover of &quot;The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas...&quot; and Monty Python&#039;s &quot;Galaxy&quot; song, etc.

Waxing sentimental, I&#039;d love to be able to attend a program of my kids singing &quot;We are all Earthlings&quot; (from Sesame Street) with a bunch of other kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get what&#8217;s funny about it.  If humanists form communities based on shared values, it&#8217;s natural that song would play a role.</p>
<p>I like singing Science-related songs with my sons for fun.  One of my son Nico&#8217;s favorite songs to sing is the Schoolhouse Rock &#8220;Gravity&#8221; song (about Galileo: &#8220;&#8230;he did experiments with a force he could not see; he found that all things fall to Earth at the very same speed&#8230;&#8221;).  Other fun ones include They Might Be Giants&#8217; cover of &#8220;The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas&#8230;&#8221; and Monty Python&#8217;s &#8220;Galaxy&#8221; song, etc.</p>
<p>Waxing sentimental, I&#8217;d love to be able to attend a program of my kids singing &#8220;We are all Earthlings&#8221; (from Sesame Street) with a bunch of other kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/05/08/australian-on-humanist-chaplains/#comment-26192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never met Epstein, but I&#039;ve heard him speak on HNN (and other Humanists programs) and I like what he has to say.  I think he has some good ideas that can really help the Humanist community.  I truly believe the non-religious can be spiritual without being religious.  Yes, I know, spiritual has religious connotations, but I don&#039;t mean it in a religious sense, but until we find a word that is just as powerful and meaningful to describe feelings of awe and wonder, that numinous feeling that is undescribable with words, and/or transcendence and alike, that&#039;s the best the human language has to offer, even for the non-religious.

Even so, Epstein does have some good ideas and they seem to have a good response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never met Epstein, but I&#8217;ve heard him speak on HNN (and other Humanists programs) and I like what he has to say.  I think he has some good ideas that can really help the Humanist community.  I truly believe the non-religious can be spiritual without being religious.  Yes, I know, spiritual has religious connotations, but I don&#8217;t mean it in a religious sense, but until we find a word that is just as powerful and meaningful to describe feelings of awe and wonder, that numinous feeling that is undescribable with words, and/or transcendence and alike, that&#8217;s the best the human language has to offer, even for the non-religious.</p>
<p>Even so, Epstein does have some good ideas and they seem to have a good response.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By saying we should sing–whether metaphorically or not–I think Epstein is acknowledging that while agnostics/ atheists/ humanists/ whateverists say the world is more awesome without the concept of God to underlie/ explain it all, they have some problems in the presentation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe we should add this as an eleventh thing to Hemant&#039;s list of things that Christians are better at than atheists.  (Most Popular Posts) 

At first I was going to make fun of Epstein with a song parody until I thought of how I really like singing, and how being joyful and playful as a group is really healthy.  If the Aussie guy thinks it&#039;s corny or annoying, he should &#039;ave anothah beeah an&#039; loosen up a bit. Eh, mite?

Humanist Chaplain sounds like an interesting job.  How do you get qualified for that?  I&#039;ve got the counseling skills, but do I need a degree in undivinity?  Is there a college offering Humanism Studies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By saying we should sing–whether metaphorically or not–I think Epstein is acknowledging that while agnostics/ atheists/ humanists/ whateverists say the world is more awesome without the concept of God to underlie/ explain it all, they have some problems in the presentation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe we should add this as an eleventh thing to Hemant&#8217;s list of things that Christians are better at than atheists.  (Most Popular Posts) </p>
<p>At first I was going to make fun of Epstein with a song parody until I thought of how I really like singing, and how being joyful and playful as a group is really healthy.  If the Aussie guy thinks it&#8217;s corny or annoying, he should &#8216;ave anothah beeah an&#8217; loosen up a bit. Eh, mite?</p>
<p>Humanist Chaplain sounds like an interesting job.  How do you get qualified for that?  I&#8217;ve got the counseling skills, but do I need a degree in undivinity?  Is there a college offering Humanism Studies?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a church that featured congregational singing (ie., not just a chorus) and it&#039;s one of the reasons people liked church so much. I know a lot of places with a band and/or choir have music that people really enjoy. I think this is just one way in which church people create a.. um.. more enjoyable, comfortable environment? The one time I went to a &quot;atheist meeting&quot; (actually, to hear Hemant talk) I felt the lack of music.

Of course, I know there are exceptions. Some religious people hate music. Some churches have bad music (read Hemant&#039;s book) while other churches have awesome music (read Hemant&#039;s book). By saying we should sing--whether metaphorically or not--I think Epstein is acknowledging that while agnostics/ atheists/ humanists/ whateverists &lt;em&gt;say &lt;/em&gt;the world is more awesome without the concept of God to underlie/ explain it all, they have some problems in the presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a church that featured congregational singing (ie., not just a chorus) and it&#8217;s one of the reasons people liked church so much. I know a lot of places with a band and/or choir have music that people really enjoy. I think this is just one way in which church people create a.. um.. more enjoyable, comfortable environment? The one time I went to a &#8220;atheist meeting&#8221; (actually, to hear Hemant talk) I felt the lack of music.</p>
<p>Of course, I know there are exceptions. Some religious people hate music. Some churches have bad music (read Hemant&#8217;s book) while other churches have awesome music (read Hemant&#8217;s book). By saying we should sing&#8211;whether metaphorically or not&#8211;I think Epstein is acknowledging that while agnostics/ atheists/ humanists/ whateverists <em>say </em>the world is more awesome without the concept of God to underlie/ explain it all, they have some problems in the presentation.</p>
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