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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/03/holy-there-are-two-of-them/#comment-38669</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There are plenty of Christians who condemned Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, etc. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very true.  As for Hitchens, to me he comes across as someone who hates anyone who doesn&#039;t agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>There are plenty of Christians who condemned Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, etc. </p></blockquote>
<p>Very true.  As for Hitchens, to me he comes across as someone who hates anyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with him.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/03/holy-there-are-two-of-them/#comment-37974</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bullshitometer just pegged--I give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bullshitometer just pegged&#8211;I give up.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/03/holy-there-are-two-of-them/#comment-37896</link>
		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My differences with Hitchens go back decades and are not about ideology, they are about his being a sociopath who supports policies that get a lot of people killed.  I couldn&#039;t care less about his blatherings on religion, ill informed and bigoted as those are.  I even said here that he made a good point about Mother Teresa, that she should be judged on what she did and not her publicity.  So, you see, I&#039;m only applying a standard he has advocated for other people.  That&#039;s not ideology, that&#039;s fairness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My differences with Hitchens go back decades and are not about ideology, they are about his being a sociopath who supports policies that get a lot of people killed.  I couldn&#8217;t care less about his blatherings on religion, ill informed and bigoted as those are.  I even said here that he made a good point about Mother Teresa, that she should be judged on what she did and not her publicity.  So, you see, I&#8217;m only applying a standard he has advocated for other people.  That&#8217;s not ideology, that&#8217;s fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>olvlzl, no ism, no ist,

You belie your handle by your seeming-ideological ranting over Hitchens.  The beating of the &quot;dead horse&quot; is your persistent castigation of views that no one is defending.  As I said, Hitchens will wear this one, and so will we all.  Don&#039;t kid yourself, we&#039;re all, in one way or another, to some extent, responsible for what is happening now in the middle east.  We will all be haunted by these tragedies.

&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . Hitchens support [of the war in Iraq] . . . should make anything his says worthless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a silly notion.  Try that out on anyone who&#039;s work you admire--nobody&#039;s a saint all the time.  Woody Allen diddles little girls; so does Roman Polanski.  Stravinsky was an arrogant patrician.  Jackson Pollack was a hard-drinking son of a bitch.  Richard Wagner was an antisemite.  Bill Clinton is a sex addict.  You can&#039;t dismiss every product of a creative person because you detest one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>olvlzl, no ism, no ist,</p>
<p>You belie your handle by your seeming-ideological ranting over Hitchens.  The beating of the &#8220;dead horse&#8221; is your persistent castigation of views that no one is defending.  As I said, Hitchens will wear this one, and so will we all.  Don&#8217;t kid yourself, we&#8217;re all, in one way or another, to some extent, responsible for what is happening now in the middle east.  We will all be haunted by these tragedies.</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . Hitchens support [of the war in Iraq] . . . should make anything his says worthless.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a silly notion.  Try that out on anyone who&#8217;s work you admire&#8211;nobody&#8217;s a saint all the time.  Woody Allen diddles little girls; so does Roman Polanski.  Stravinsky was an arrogant patrician.  Jackson Pollack was a hard-drinking son of a bitch.  Richard Wagner was an antisemite.  Bill Clinton is a sex addict.  You can&#8217;t dismiss every product of a creative person because you detest one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
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		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl, a dead horse?  You do read the papers.  Bush is talking in terms of the Korea standoff and Hitchens still supports the invasion and occupation.  And the same clique is trying to extend Bush War II into Iran.  Turkey is talking about bombing the Kurds.....  

Unfortunate use of metaphore, it would seem.  I think some positions can be so clearly wrong from the beginning, so irresponsible and bring such horrible results that taking that position should haunt someone for the rest of their public careers.  Hundreds of thousands of dead people, the re-enslavement of Iraqi women, the  ethnic purges that a lot of us predicted would make Hitchens support (which I have to point out was touted in the Kurtz comeon I just got for &quot;Skeptical Inquirer&quot;) should make anything his says worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl, a dead horse?  You do read the papers.  Bush is talking in terms of the Korea standoff and Hitchens still supports the invasion and occupation.  And the same clique is trying to extend Bush War II into Iran.  Turkey is talking about bombing the Kurds&#8230;..  </p>
<p>Unfortunate use of metaphore, it would seem.  I think some positions can be so clearly wrong from the beginning, so irresponsible and bring such horrible results that taking that position should haunt someone for the rest of their public careers.  Hundreds of thousands of dead people, the re-enslavement of Iraqi women, the  ethnic purges that a lot of us predicted would make Hitchens support (which I have to point out was touted in the Kurtz comeon I just got for &#8220;Skeptical Inquirer&#8221;) should make anything his says worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hitchens, with his support for mass slaughter has done considerably more than just express hatred, he’s doing what he can to get the policy put into effect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re beating a dead horse.  Hitchens will wear this one like all the other stupid ideas that he&#039;s had through his life.  He&#039;s got lots of company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hitchens, with his support for mass slaughter has done considerably more than just express hatred, he’s doing what he can to get the policy put into effect.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re beating a dead horse.  Hitchens will wear this one like all the other stupid ideas that he&#8217;s had through his life.  He&#8217;s got lots of company.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/03/holy-there-are-two-of-them/#comment-37582</link>
		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of Christians who condemned Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, etc.  I&#039;m hard put to think of a Christian I know who hasn&#039;t expressed disgust at them.  If Falwell came right out and baldly stated that he hated people who were atheists I&#039;d imagine there would be a lot of condemnation.  He lied and said that he loved people even as he targeted them, which gets us back to looking at actions instead of words.  Hitchens, with his support for mass slaughter has done considerably more than just express hatred, he&#039;s doing what he can to get the policy put into effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of Christians who condemned Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, etc.  I&#8217;m hard put to think of a Christian I know who hasn&#8217;t expressed disgust at them.  If Falwell came right out and baldly stated that he hated people who were atheists I&#8217;d imagine there would be a lot of condemnation.  He lied and said that he loved people even as he targeted them, which gets us back to looking at actions instead of words.  Hitchens, with his support for mass slaughter has done considerably more than just express hatred, he&#8217;s doing what he can to get the policy put into effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Quite frankly, I’m kind of surprised more atheists aren’t condemning C. Hitchen’s frankly stated hatred of people who hold religious beliefs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Maybe it&#039;s like the majority of Christians who silently tolerated the bilious hate-mongering of Falwell for so long.  Apathy, shortsightedness, lack of awareness of how much damage was being done to their reputation, something like that.  I&#039;m not sure how I personally could repudiate Hitchen&#039;s negativity other than by not purchasing his books, or talking about it on a blog like this.  Not that this gets that much public exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quite frankly, I’m kind of surprised more atheists aren’t condemning C. Hitchen’s frankly stated hatred of people who hold religious beliefs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s like the majority of Christians who silently tolerated the bilious hate-mongering of Falwell for so long.  Apathy, shortsightedness, lack of awareness of how much damage was being done to their reputation, something like that.  I&#8217;m not sure how I personally could repudiate Hitchen&#8217;s negativity other than by not purchasing his books, or talking about it on a blog like this.  Not that this gets that much public exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
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		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What you need to know about me is that I can’t be responsible, and I won’t be, for others shoddy thinking. &lt;blockquote&gt;

You don&#039;t have to take personal responsibilty but there might be times when you want to point out that you disagree with someone who is used as a poster boy of the group you are in, as Peter Hitchens has done with his own brother.  

Quite frankly, I&#039;m kind of surprised more atheists aren&#039;t condemning C. Hitchen&#039;s frankly stated hatred of people who hold religious beliefs.  That should certainly call into doubt anything he has to say on the subject.  Would you trust anything Richard Butler said about Jews or Black people?  Anything that Robertson or Dobson said about Atheists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What you need to know about me is that I can’t be responsible, and I won’t be, for others shoddy thinking.<br />
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<p>You don&#8217;t have to take personal responsibilty but there might be times when you want to point out that you disagree with someone who is used as a poster boy of the group you are in, as Peter Hitchens has done with his own brother.  </p>
<p>Quite frankly, I&#8217;m kind of surprised more atheists aren&#8217;t condemning C. Hitchen&#8217;s frankly stated hatred of people who hold religious beliefs.  That should certainly call into doubt anything he has to say on the subject.  Would you trust anything Richard Butler said about Jews or Black people?  Anything that Robertson or Dobson said about Atheists?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>olvlzl, no ism, no ist -

&lt;blockquote&gt;George Galloway was as right about Hitchens as anyone has ever been.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

great points, bad example.

ewwwwwwww *shudders*</description>
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<blockquote><p>George Galloway was as right about Hitchens as anyone has ever been.</p></blockquote>
<p>great points, bad example.</p>
<p>ewwwwwwww *shudders*</p>
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