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	<title>Comments on: Ted Haggard&#8217;s Secret Sex Life</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: david e</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/04/ted-haggards-secret-sex-life/#comment-37882</link>
		<dc:creator>david e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone in Minneapolis/St Paul, I&#039;d like to remind you that Mike Jones will be at Magers &amp; Quinn Booksellers (3038 Hennepin Ave S) at 7:30 on June 21. Visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.magersandquinn.com/index.php?main_page=event#event_209&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our website&lt;/a&gt; or call the store (612/822-4611) for more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone in Minneapolis/St Paul, I&#8217;d like to remind you that Mike Jones will be at Magers &amp; Quinn Booksellers (3038 Hennepin Ave S) at 7:30 on June 21. Visit <a href="http://www.magersandquinn.com/index.php?main_page=event#event_209" rel="nofollow">our website</a> or call the store (612/822-4611) for more information.</p>
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		<title>By: HeIsSailing</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/04/ted-haggards-secret-sex-life/#comment-37619</link>
		<dc:creator>HeIsSailing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You gotta love the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit, which brings the believer more and more into the image of Jesus Christ.  There is power in the Blood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You gotta love the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit, which brings the believer more and more into the image of Jesus Christ.  There is power in the Blood!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/04/ted-haggards-secret-sex-life/#comment-37529</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heeheeheeheehee.  It&#039;s probably good that he&#039;s explicit about the sex.  Otherwise we might be treated to &quot;Like raising the flag at Iwo Jima,&quot; or &quot;Like the Berlin Express going into a Bavarian tunnel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heeheeheeheehee.  It&#8217;s probably good that he&#8217;s explicit about the sex.  Otherwise we might be treated to &#8220;Like raising the flag at Iwo Jima,&#8221; or &#8220;Like the Berlin Express going into a Bavarian tunnel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/04/ted-haggards-secret-sex-life/#comment-37512</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But does the metaphor bode well for Mike Jones&#039; literary abilities?


&lt;blockquote&gt;Ted Haggard walked into my apartment like a Jew walking into Aushwitz.  I said to him, &quot;You look sad, like my grandmother the day she found out that Poland had been invaded and her entire family killed.&quot;

He said he was there for a massage, but I knew that this would be the beginning of the greatest and most destructive love affair since Hitler met Eva Braun.  I asked him his name, and he replied with all the honesty of Benito Mussolini: &quot;Art.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But does the metaphor bode well for Mike Jones&#8217; literary abilities?</p>
<blockquote><p>Ted Haggard walked into my apartment like a Jew walking into Aushwitz.  I said to him, &#8220;You look sad, like my grandmother the day she found out that Poland had been invaded and her entire family killed.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said he was there for a massage, but I knew that this would be the beginning of the greatest and most destructive love affair since Hitler met Eva Braun.  I asked him his name, and he replied with all the honesty of Benito Mussolini: &#8220;Art.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am excited about this book, and I have to agree with Shishberg about the WWII comment- I doubt Jones thinks its the same on scale or importance, but means that he thinks that its important to discuss details.  

And yes, I agree he is leaving in the sex to make money, but at the same time, I also think its important because... well, I am a terrible person, and I want Haggard&#039;s downfall to be as awful for him as possible, if I am going to be honest.  When I think of creepy Ted Haggard- especially the deleted scene from Jesus Camp- I want him to suffer like the hypocrite he is.  I think about all the people in his mega church who struggled with their sexuality, and recieved cruel, hypocritical messages from Haggard every Sunday, I want to scream.  Its not easy in this world for anyone whose sexuality is anything besides &quot;Straight, Missionary Position Only&quot; and I think it is awful that this man used his Bible to make people feel like shit when was the same way.  I think back to the Savage Love column- http://www.avclub.com/content/node/55285- and I make a joyful noise.

Come to Chicago, Mike Jones!  I will ask you to sign my book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am excited about this book, and I have to agree with Shishberg about the WWII comment- I doubt Jones thinks its the same on scale or importance, but means that he thinks that its important to discuss details.  </p>
<p>And yes, I agree he is leaving in the sex to make money, but at the same time, I also think its important because&#8230; well, I am a terrible person, and I want Haggard&#8217;s downfall to be as awful for him as possible, if I am going to be honest.  When I think of creepy Ted Haggard- especially the deleted scene from Jesus Camp- I want him to suffer like the hypocrite he is.  I think about all the people in his mega church who struggled with their sexuality, and recieved cruel, hypocritical messages from Haggard every Sunday, I want to scream.  Its not easy in this world for anyone whose sexuality is anything besides &#8220;Straight, Missionary Position Only&#8221; and I think it is awful that this man used his Bible to make people feel like shit when was the same way.  I think back to the Savage Love column- <a href="http://www.avclub.com/content/node/55285-" rel="nofollow">http://www.avclub.com/content/node/55285-</a> and I make a joyful noise.</p>
<p>Come to Chicago, Mike Jones!  I will ask you to sign my book!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if he said, &quot;If I left out the sex, it&#039;d be twelve pages long.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if he said, &#8220;If I left out the sex, it&#8217;d be twelve pages long.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m sorry, I just can’t say we had sex and leave it at that. People needed to know what kind of sex we were having. It’s just part of the story.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Might have been more honest if he had just said &quot;I&#039;ll sell more books if I leave the sex in.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m sorry, I just can’t say we had sex and leave it at that. People needed to know what kind of sex we were having. It’s just part of the story.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Might have been more honest if he had just said &#8220;I&#8217;ll sell more books if I leave the sex in.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant, you still missed the point about the comparison.  Shishberg had it right about what Jones was trying to say, and how he said it.  Jones is no writer or speaker, so what do we expect?  He engaged in hyperbole--like most people do when they&#039;re trying to think on their feet and buttress their arguments.  

More power to Jones and anyone else helping to ferret out the hypocrites.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant, you still missed the point about the comparison.  Shishberg had it right about what Jones was trying to say, and how he said it.  Jones is no writer or speaker, so what do we expect?  He engaged in hyperbole&#8211;like most people do when they&#8217;re trying to think on their feet and buttress their arguments.  </p>
<p>More power to Jones and anyone else helping to ferret out the hypocrites.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reed,
&lt;blockquote&gt;And I wonder if Richard is gay…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
LOL! I&#039;m glad somebody got it.  There were two gay couples in my family, one male and one female who lived together in wonderful life-long relationships.  They were as important and as loved a part of the family as anyone else.  So I was fortunate to not have been given the hate training that sadly most Americans get.  Now when I encounter a gay-hating bigot it&#039;s all I can do to keep from pounding them into the ground because it&#039;s like an assault on members of my family.

That&#039;s why Haggard&#039;s predicament pulls me between laughter and tears.  His sexuality is inborn; it&#039;s part of him.  He doesn&#039;t deserve to suffer for that. There&#039;s nothing wrong with it other than having to live in this bigoted society. His bigotry is partly trained into him from childhood, so that&#039;s not entirely his fault either, but then there&#039;s his nurturing of it, his building it into a vehicle for his power and influence.  That part is as despicable as it would be in any straight anti-gay bigot.  The hypocrisy issue added into the mix by his sexuality just makes the whole thing tragi-comic in excruciatingly perfect balance.

I agree with olvlzl that there&#039;s something creepy about Jones.  His originally denouncing Haggard may have been motivated by a genuine sense of doing the right thing, but I have a hard time believing that this book is about anything other than money.  I hope he doesn&#039;t try to pretend it&#039;s for anything else.  I&#039;d rather see him honestly profiteering than listen to him being a hypocrite about another hypocrite.  If somebody has more insight about his motive for the book let me know.

Reed, your blog is very interesting and funny, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reed,</p>
<blockquote><p>And I wonder if Richard is gay…</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL! I&#8217;m glad somebody got it.  There were two gay couples in my family, one male and one female who lived together in wonderful life-long relationships.  They were as important and as loved a part of the family as anyone else.  So I was fortunate to not have been given the hate training that sadly most Americans get.  Now when I encounter a gay-hating bigot it&#8217;s all I can do to keep from pounding them into the ground because it&#8217;s like an assault on members of my family.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Haggard&#8217;s predicament pulls me between laughter and tears.  His sexuality is inborn; it&#8217;s part of him.  He doesn&#8217;t deserve to suffer for that. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with it other than having to live in this bigoted society. His bigotry is partly trained into him from childhood, so that&#8217;s not entirely his fault either, but then there&#8217;s his nurturing of it, his building it into a vehicle for his power and influence.  That part is as despicable as it would be in any straight anti-gay bigot.  The hypocrisy issue added into the mix by his sexuality just makes the whole thing tragi-comic in excruciatingly perfect balance.</p>
<p>I agree with olvlzl that there&#8217;s something creepy about Jones.  His originally denouncing Haggard may have been motivated by a genuine sense of doing the right thing, but I have a hard time believing that this book is about anything other than money.  I hope he doesn&#8217;t try to pretend it&#8217;s for anything else.  I&#8217;d rather see him honestly profiteering than listen to him being a hypocrite about another hypocrite.  If somebody has more insight about his motive for the book let me know.</p>
<p>Reed, your blog is very interesting and funny, by the way.</p>
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