I Almost Feel Bad For Her…

Phelps

I think I’m on Shirley Phelps-Roper’s side for once… kind of.

Shirley is the daughter of Fred Phelps, whose entire family is known for protesting military funerals because God is punishing our country for “harboring gays and lesbians” (and apparently, the two ideas are connected).

The family’s church’s website is GodHatesFags.com.

It’s very easy to despise them.

Just like on Tuesday, when they were protesting the funeral of Nebraska Army National Guard Spc. William “Bill” Bailey. He was killed in Iraq when an explosive device hit his vehicle.

But in this recent incident, Phelps-Roper said “she allowed her son Jonah to stand on the flag…”

Here’s what happened after that:

Phelps-Roper was arrested about an hour before Bailey’s funeral when an officer observed the boy stomping on the flag, Bellevue Police Capt. Herb Evers said. She was booked and released after posting $150 bail.

Nebraska’s flag law says: “A person commits the offense of mutilating a flag if such person intentionally casts contempt or ridicule upon a flag by mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, or trampling upon such flag.”

Flag mutilation and disturbing the peace are each punishable by 90 days in jail, a $500 fine or both. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor is punishable by a year in jail, a $1,000 fine or both. All three are misdemeanors.

Technically, what she was doing was illegal according to state law. But it’s a bad law. She does have the Constitutional right to desecrate the flag. Just like she has the right to free speech and assembly, which allows her to protest these funerals. If she wasn’t such a @*#%&, one might actually be sympathetic to her plight.

She was also charged with “disturbing the peace and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.”

She’ll be in court July 11, though she plans to challenge the charges against her.

(Thanks to Logos for the link)


[tags]atheist, atheism, Shirley Phelps-Roper, Fred Phelps, gay, lesbian, William Bailey, Herb Evers, Nebraska, Constitution[/tags]

  • Miko

    Ugh. I have to come down on her side too. And it makes me feel so unclean. But I definitely feel sorry for her: after all, she is the daughter of Fred Phelps. That’s a worse punishment than I’d wish on anyone.

  • Logos

    I feel sorry for her being so ugly

  • Daniel

    This is what you call karma. It’s no mystical secret, you can bet the cops that arrested her son knew who she was. Sometimes rules get a little more enforced if you are an all out asshole. The flag desecration law is bullshit, but she earned this one through her prior actions.

  • http://bjornisageek.blogspot.com Bjorn Watland

    Thanks for making me go to godhatesfags.com.

    I found this presentation on the lie that God loves everyone.

  • Miko

    Don’t forget their companion site, godhatesamerica.com too.

  • Maria

    Technically, what she was doing was illegal according to state law. But it’s a bad law. She does have the Constitutional right to desecrate the flag. Just like she has the right to free speech and assembly, which allows her to protest these funerals. If she wasn’t such a @*#%&, one might actually be sympathetic to her plight.

    ::sigh:: I agree Hermant. I hate to say anything in her favor, but it is her right. But I’m so glad she did get arrested! I soo cannot stand these people. Has anyone seen Micheal Moore’s little FU tape to them? It was great. Here it is for your viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33-_9nOX8KM

    Also, if you want to read the truth about this sick twisted old man, Fred Phelps, go here:www.addictedtohate.com In it you will read about how he abused his wife and his family, and how half of his kids moved away, changed their names, and want nothing to do with him. Sorry, it takes a lot for me to hate anyone, but I really really can’t stand Fred Phelps. It seems the majority of America does too. One church actually had a sign that said :God loves gay people. It’s Fred Phelps he can’t stand!” Found that one amusing. Btw, he’s also got a new site: http://www.godhatessweden.com I think he should just save himself the trouble and have http://www.godhateseveryonebutfredphelps.com

    To top it off, I heard the group was going to protest old Jerry Falwell’s funeral. I don’t know if they actually did, but they were going to. Guess Falwell wasn’t hateful enough for them. These people make me sick.

  • http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com Chris Hallquist

    I’m not glad there was an arrest, except insofar as it provides an opportunity to stand up for freedom of speech. I was initially going to say I don’t feel bad for her, only that I’ll stand up for her rights for the sake of others rights. However, I agree with the person who said he feels sorry she’s related to Fred Phelps.

  • http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com Chris Hallquist

    Post script: Phelps isn’t mad that Falwell wasn’t hateful enough per se. As I’ve said before, the issue is that Phelps is a Calvinist, Falwell was an Arminian, and Calvinists have always hated Arminians and always will.

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
    ~ Voltaire

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    Post script: Phelps isn’t mad that Falwell wasn’t hateful enough per se. As I’ve said before, the issue is that Phelps is a Calvinist, Falwell was an Arminian, and Calvinists have always hated Arminians and always will.

    That’s probably part of it. I think the bigger issue for Phelps though was that Falwell was willing to work with non-Fundamentalists and even non-Christians who shared his political views (e.g. Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicals, etc.) Jerry may have hated gays as much as Phelps did, but he didn’t hate other groups enough for Phelps.

  • http://olvlzl.blogspot.com/ olvlzl, no ism, no ist

    There is no question about the flag incident. If the object in question belonged to her or someone who allowed it they can do whatever they want to with it. An American flag isn’t sacred, it is a symbol. That is a valid free speech issue, though one I don’t think the left should spend political capital on defending. It is a very minor incident.

    The matter of disrupting funerals is an entirely different matter. It is a clash of rights. A family or community has the right to bury their dead without having that right being impinged on by an outside party who wants to turn their funeral into a media availability. A family doesn’t have much of a choice in burying their dead, it’s sort of a requirement of circumstances. The hate groups have the right to attempt to get attention for their hate group at another occasion or in another location, requiring them to not violate the rights of those holding a funeral does nothing to violate their free speech rights, it preserves the rights of those in mourning. They don’t have a right to hijack the funeral and turn it into a media event.

    It is one of the problems of some who deny inherent rights of people and even of some others. Rights don’t exist outside of people and the people who have them sometimes violate the rights which other people have. It’s important to look logically at the situation and to take into account the reality that when rights collide circumstances impose limiting factors on some of those rights.

    Let the hate group hold their disgusting event the day after or in another town. They will have the right to say what they want to. It’s not the fault of the family of the dead that the media won’t give them the attention they crave.

  • Logos

    is there any groups Phelp’s god dosen’t hate other than Phelp’s group?

  • Desert Son

    I’m with Voltaire on this one, too.

    That said, based on the image posted, the Phelps’ group was planning on protesting the funeral of some Amish girls?

    That takes appalling to a whole new level. I may not believe as the Amish do, but among those of religious affiliation, the Amish strike me as some of the most gentle, honorable, and genuinely honest and humble I’ve ever seen.

    C’mon, Phelps! Don’t pick on the Amish. They make great furniture! They’re pacifists! They live subsistence lives and have so little environmental impact they’re one of the few human cultural groups actively NOT harming the land! They’ve more honestly demonstrated forgiveness than many who ascribe to a particular code in which same is held in high regard!

    *sigh*

    Makes me tired, some days.

    I believe the technical medical term for Phelps is “batshit crazy.”

    No kings,

    Robert


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