Stephanie Rosen: Jew

If you’re offended, blame Reed.

That’s by a Canadian comedy troupe called Picnicface, by the way.

It’s been a while since I saw a really funny cartoon/video/whatever ripping on atheism. There must be some good stuff out there. If you know of something, please send me a link!

We’re equal opportunity offenders here.


[tags]Stephanie Rosen, Jew, Picnicface, Halifax, Canada, atheist, atheism[/tags]

  • Darryl

    It’s one thing to be offensive with good reason; but it’s quite another to do it just for laughs. Is there some point here?

  • http://friendlyatheist.com FriendlyAtheist

    I’m not allowed to post things that might be funny to some?

    Like I said, bring on the atheist stuff. I’ll be glad to post it.

    There are a lot of serious issues we need to talk about and I try to post those things whenever I can, but at the same time, we can’t lose a sense of humor about this stuff.

    I’m not taking it seriously. I can’t imagine anyone who would.

    Incidentally, I don’t remember anyone being upset when I posted the Islamic cartoon.

  • Darryl

    Hemant, you can post whatever you want. If one is going to be provocative over religion, shouldn’t the humor have a point to make?

  • http://friendlyatheist.com FriendlyAtheist

    Darryl– I think it depends on the purpose. This video is humor just for the sake of being provocative. It’s not trying to make a point. And not all humor has to, as long as it’s up front about it

    It’s a different story if you’re trying to make a particular point and the humor just offends people instead.

    This is definitely not the latter.

  • Darryl

    I guess I don’t get it.

  • http://off-the-map.org/atheist/ Siamang

    I actually think it makes fun of antisemitism.

    I think it’s nice and subtle in its structure. To complete the joke requries that the viewer discover in themselves the awareness of the old antisemetic slur.

    This reminds me of Lenny Bruce’s joke about Jews being responsible for the crucifixion. He describes finding a note in his basement reading “We did it. Signed, Uncle Morty.”

  • Liberal Christian Person

    coming from a Christian, I actually think that is really funny. I’m not gonna be a hypocrite and hide my smile behind false indignation.

  • crystal

    I’m assuming since Stephanie can make jokes and “dish it out”, she can take it as well, so if someone made a Jewish joke, she’d be okay with it?

  • http://misanthropic-bastard.blogspot.com/ Rasputin

    “It’s one thing to be offensive with good reason; but it’s quite another to do it just for laughs. Is there some point here?”

    Laughs.

  • http://www,thegoodatheist.net thegoodatheist.net

    Hey, you try making a funny video in 9 seconds. Not too bad. Oh, and btw, to anyone who is Christians, surely you can’t be mad at Jews for doing the dirty work of deicide. The dude apparently WANTED to get tortured and killed. For that matter, why does Judas get a bum rap too? Sheesh, talk about blaming a guy who was just doing his job!

  • http://unorthodoxatheism.blogspot.com Reed Braden

    Why is being offensive for comedic purposes not a reasonable excuse for you, Darryl?

    Comedy is something that makes people feel better and adds spice to their humdrum lives. It’s pissers like Darryl who get people like Don Imus and Opie and Anthony (temporarily) pulled off the air. If it’s not funny to you, STFU and let the rest of us laugh. Change the radio station or read another blog.

    I am only part Jewish, but I am in touch with my heritage. I love the rich history of the Jews. However, if a Jew can’t laugh at the Jews without goyim like Darryl stepping on toes, something is screwy.

    So let my people go, Political Correctness Pharaoh, and shut your effing gentile mouth.

    I hope Hemant doesn’t mind me saying this on his blog, but if he does, I hope he lets it slip this once… just for the sake of being politically incorrect: If I had a nickel for every wop, kike, spic, coon-nigger, flour-cracker, chink, beaner, guinea, sandperson, mick, slant-eye, yank, kraut, frog, injun, dot-head, faggot, dyke, wasp, ginger, canuck, charlie, dago, porch monkey, macaca, wigger, and cunt I ever met, I would be a very poor man. If I had the same nickel for every Homo sapiens I ever met, I would be the richest man in the world. I don’t see races, I see people. I certainly don’t use race jokes to hate, so why can’t I laugh at the concept of a race if the people of that supposed race are laughing too? Why must I change how I speak, how I act, and what I (and most of my friends) think is funny just so you and the rest of the loud minority with the FCC on speed-dial can feel better? The woman in this video is a professional comedienne, and she made me laugh so hard I dribbled tea down my shirt and almost pissed myself, so she’s doing a good job… let her do her work. Under FCC guidelines, I would have to change the word piss in the former sentence to tinkle and remove the word ‘myself,’ as tinkling is okay but not on my own god-damn (the FCC finds this word okay) body. Political correctness is a bitch (also an FCC appropriate word… but not the word breasts for some reason). Have I yet made my point that political correctness is ridiculous?

    Read 1984. Political correctness will start the process illustrated in 1984.

    And don’t blame me for the video… blame Canada.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com FriendlyAtheist

    Reed– How dare you use the word “macaca” in my presence?! :)

  • http://unorthodoxatheism.blogspot.com Reed Braden

    I said faggot and flour-cracker too. We’re even, no?

  • http://unorthodoxatheism.blogspot.com Reed Braden

    One last comment before I shut up. The words of my idol Lenny Bruce:

    “Are there any niggers here tonight? Could you turn on the house lights, please, and could the waiters and waitresses just stop serving, just for a second? And turn off this spot. Now what did he say? “Are there any niggers here tonight?” I know there’s one nigger, because I see him back there working. Let’s see, there’s two niggers. And between those two niggers sits a kike. And there’s another kike— that’s two kikes and three niggers. And there’s a spic. Right? Hmm? There’s another spic. Ooh, there’s a wop; there’s a polack; and, oh, a couple of greaseballs. And there’s three lace-curtain Irish micks. And there’s one, hip, thick, hunky, funky, boogie. Boogie boogie. Mm-hmm. I got three kikes here, do I hear five kikes? I got five kikes, do I hear six spics, I got six spics, do I hear seven niggers? I got seven niggers. Sold American. I pass with seven niggers, six spics, five micks, four kikes, three guineas, and one wop. Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it’s the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. Dig: if President Kennedy would just go on television, and say, “I would like to introduce you to all the niggers in my cabinet,” and if he’d just say “nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger” to every nigger he saw, “boogie boogie boogie boogie boogie,” “nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger” ’til nigger didn’t mean anything anymore, then you could never make some six-year-old black kid cry because somebody called him a nigger at school.”

  • Darryl

    Lookie, everybody: Reed knows dirty words and he’s not afraid to use them. Now there’s something to admire.

  • http://asthewormturns.com dpoyesac

    Life is much too serious to take seriously.

    Hemant, thanks for the video. It made my day.

  • Mriana

    OK call me dense, but what did she do and what would she do again? I watched it several times and didn’t get it. I didn’t see anything to be offended about because all she did was look around and said, “You know what? I’d do it again.” So what’s the problem? I don’t even know what is funny and I even turned my speakers up.

    I don’t get it. :(

  • Mriana

    Oh I’m slow. Probably because the Jews didn’t do it. If you take the story as is and read it you’d notice everyone did it- Romans, Jews, Egyptians, etc. All humans were represented in the story. The Romans were there all through it and were just as involved. Humm… Puts a new perspective on Rome.

  • Darryl

    Mriana, you didn’t miss much. She’s not much of a comedian. It would have been more effective (although I don’t find it funny) if she had said “we’d do it again.” She didn’t do anything. Her line makes you pause and think–oh, yeah, she’s representing all Jews–and if you have to think, it’s less effective as humor. Also, her facial expressions were not good enough.

  • Mriana

    Very true, but I think people are forgetting it was a Roman woh whipped him to a bloody palp and it was the Romans who teased him and called him “King of the Jews”. It was classic Roman entertainment only it was not in one of their arenas. The people (a mixture of Jews and more) just encouraged it. So, technically it was the Romans who did it in the story. Kind of ironic, IMO.

  • http://unorthodoxatheism.blogspot.com Reed Braden

    Oh wow… Darryl, our little humour critic, seems to have overlooked the message behind my usage of racial slurs. He ignored the message and jumped straight to the words and labelled them dirty without thinking one iota into the context… and, in doing so, brilliantly proved a point for me.

    Political Correctness junkies don’t see the meanings of what people are trying to do. When I can say all sorts of racial epithets and Lenny Bruce can say nigger a lot, he doesn’t see the point behind it. By despising the word, you only make it more offensive. By banning the word, you make it more painful. My point in using those words was to demonstrate that they mean nothing. They’re just words like carrot, yellow, and aphrodisiac. The thing that makes them potent is your attempted banishment of them. But, again, you’re missing the meaning! My meaning in all of that was to say that race is absolutely a ridiculous concept. I am no different than a Mexican, an Asian, or a German. We are all human beings.

    You ignore a message that, if applied to the masses, could eliminate war and hatred because of a few four-letter-words that you deem to be dirtier than the rest of the English language.

    And I think humour is its funniest when you have to think about it. It rewards the intelligent with a laugh and leaves it open to interpretation… and when you can imagine four interpretations of a joke, you can laugh at it fresh four times. You’re clearly a die-hard American… you would never understand Canadian humour… our northern neighbours rarely spell out the jokes for their viewers… maybe it’s because they get them easier. The same goes for the Brits. It’s possibly just stupid I-like-farts-because-they’re-funny-in-large-doses-on-night-time-television Americans that don’t understand this kind of humour easily.

  • http://emergingpensees.blogspot.com/ Mike C

    I admit, it didn’t really get the “point” of it until Siamang explained it. (I mean, I knew what she was saying, I just didn’t know what the “message” was.) But even after reading Siamang’s explanation I had to think about it for a bit to make the connection with anti-semitism. I think that’s just because anti-semitism is just so completely foreign to me. I know it’s common among some fundamentalist Christians, but honestly, in the evangelical circles I grew up in they were more pro-Jew (and especially pro-Israel) than anything else – mainly because of their interpretation of end-times prophecies.

  • Maria

    I admit, it didn’t really get the “point” of it until Siamang explained it. (I I mean, I knew what she was saying, I just didn’t know what the “message” was.) But even after reading Siamang’s explanation I had to think about it for a bit to make the connection with anti-semitism. I think that’s just because anti-semitism is just so completely foreign to me. I know it’s common among some fundamentalist Christians, but honestly, in the evangelical circles I grew up in they were more pro-Jew (and especially pro-Israel) than anything else – mainly because of their interpretation of end-times prophecies.

    The Catholicism I grew up in was pretty pro-Jewish as well (minus the end times stuff). So when I first saw fundie anti-semitism it was pretty foreign to me.

  • http://off-the-map.org/atheist/ Siamang

    It would have been more effective (although I don’t find it funny) if she had said “we’d do it again.” She didn’t do anything.

    I think that’s the point, Darryl. She didn’t do anything. That’s why blaming jews today for something that supposedly happened 2000 years ago is stupid. That’s why the joke has any teeth at all. “We’d do it again” makes the joke anti-jew. This is anti-bigotry.

    E.B. White said explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it.

  • http://globalizati.wordpress.com globalizati

    I got it, but I had to watch it twice. Then I laughed rather hard.

    I grew up in a very Christian environment, but the protestant denomination I was in and surrounded by had fairly neutral feelings about Jews. They certainly didn’t share the eschatological views of the Left Behind crowd, though they tend to gravitate toward what I’d call a ‘cordial Zionism.’ I was never taught to be dislike Jews growing up because..well.. my town doesn’t have any. Interestingly, I didn’t know much about Christian anti-Semitism til I became an atheist (a good example of why not to stereotype groups). But, the historical joke is great.

  • Richard Wade

    At first I didn’t get it. Then I got it and I didn’t laugh. At first I didn’t realize it was trying to be funny. It wasn’t really offensive, just not funny. Just sort of dumb with a little suggestion of hate. That was my take on it. Then when I read everybody else’s take on it it still wasn’t funny. I didn’t laugh. I didn’t stop myself from laughing. I’ll laugh at complex humor, dry humor, sick humor, gross humor, irreverent humor or politically incorrect humor but this just didn’t make me laugh. Ok, you found it funny. (shrug)

    And my response is just as valid as anybody else’s. So there, nyaahh!

  • Darryl

    This is my last post on this (I promise) because it’s not worth anything more. I’m with Richard on this poor attempt at humor. I also was raised to not hate Jews or anybody else for that matter. My condolences to people who have been hurt that way and feel the need to lash out at others because of it.

  • http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~ludtke/prof/index.htm cautious

    Reed?

    “Read 1984. Political correctness will start the process illustrated in 1984.”

    Political correctness will start a third nuclear war that organizes the world into three competing totalitarian megacountries which want to transform human passion into a hatred of people slightly different than oneself? Hatred of other people is integral to the governments of 1984. So is speech control (doublegood etc etc.) but this is imposed by the governments onto the people.

    Maybe you meant the process of self-censorship that turns into governmental-censorship illustrated in Fahrenheit 451? Even though its author is apparently a giant dumbass and somehow retroactively thinks his book was about teevee killing literature?


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