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	<title>Comments on: Christian Domestic Discipline (a.k.a. Very Bad Porn)</title>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Marriage [is] honorable among all, and the bed undefiled&quot; -- Hebrew 3:14

However a married man and woman want to behave in their bedroom is not sinfull unless it includes somone other than the two of them.

No, the proponents od the site you mention don&#039;t practice BDSM. I know some of these people and I can say that for a fact.

However, other christians do practice BDSM consentually between a married man and his wife. I am one of them.

You call it porn, I say what my wife and I do in our bedroom behind closed doors can&#039;t posibly be porn.

The institution of marriage exists to provide an oulet for the &quot;perver[sion] and fornicat[ion] with whom [we] share erotic tastes.&quot;

&quot;Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.&quot; 1 Corninthians 7:2

Diferent people have diferent sexual tastes, some are considered more &quot;exotic&quot; than others. But marriage is God&#039;s santified outlet for sexual tastes (whether exotic or common).

At the end of the day you may not like what I do with my wife, and that is your perogative. But my wife will never have to fear that I will have to go elsewhere to &quot;experement&quot;.

Peace be to you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marriage [is] honorable among all, and the bed undefiled&#8221; &#8212; Hebrew 3:14</p>
<p>However a married man and woman want to behave in their bedroom is not sinfull unless it includes somone other than the two of them.</p>
<p>No, the proponents od the site you mention don&#8217;t practice BDSM. I know some of these people and I can say that for a fact.</p>
<p>However, other christians do practice BDSM consentually between a married man and his wife. I am one of them.</p>
<p>You call it porn, I say what my wife and I do in our bedroom behind closed doors can&#8217;t posibly be porn.</p>
<p>The institution of marriage exists to provide an oulet for the &#8220;perver[sion] and fornicat[ion] with whom [we] share erotic tastes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.&#8221; 1 Corninthians 7:2</p>
<p>Diferent people have diferent sexual tastes, some are considered more &#8220;exotic&#8221; than others. But marriage is God&#8217;s santified outlet for sexual tastes (whether exotic or common).</p>
<p>At the end of the day you may not like what I do with my wife, and that is your perogative. But my wife will never have to fear that I will have to go elsewhere to &#8220;experement&#8221;.</p>
<p>Peace be to you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Jesus Spanked You for Being Naughty</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/24/christian-domestic-discipline-aka-very-bad-porn/#comment-99937</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Jesus Spanked You for Being Naughty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was spanking you. And not in the Christian Domestic Discipline way, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jych</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/06/24/christian-domestic-discipline-aka-very-bad-porn/#comment-93794</link>
		<dc:creator>jych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read another post about birth control and cdd -- i have NEVER heard of this ever.  My husband was beating the door down to the doctors office when HE got fixed ( bcz it is harder on the female body than on the male he did that for me for us bcz we had 3 children and that was enough)  As far as it being a wifes duty to please her husband of course it is dont you want to please your husband?  Dont you feel like as his companion that it is your job to make sure he is sexually satisfied?  We have an amazing sex life and i couldnt do that by myself,The bible doesnt say that only women should have that role.  The Song of Songs is a love song that  king Solomon wrote for his wife it is very intimate and sexual.  He says &quot;My lover is radiant and ruddy outstanding among 10 thousand. Like a lilly among thorns is my darling among the maidens.(3:2) 
basically it says that he takes her out in public and shows her off telling all the people how great she is (3:4)
he strengthens me with raisens refreshes me with apples for i am faint with love-( she is seriously wore down:)
it talks about going to her parents home and asking for her to marry
it also says do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires ( wait to have sex) the whole story is about young love how wild and free it is  then they marry and he talks about how her breasts rival the beauty of twin fawns in the field ( taht was pretty hot i guess) and he tells her that she is a well of flowing water  blow on my garden that its fragrance may spread abroad let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits.  my point is people think the bible is this boring old book that says you suck, everything you do is wrong - but it doesnt..  it is a wild romance novel with battles betrayal murder and forgiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read another post about birth control and cdd &#8212; i have NEVER heard of this ever.  My husband was beating the door down to the doctors office when HE got fixed ( bcz it is harder on the female body than on the male he did that for me for us bcz we had 3 children and that was enough)  As far as it being a wifes duty to please her husband of course it is dont you want to please your husband?  Dont you feel like as his companion that it is your job to make sure he is sexually satisfied?  We have an amazing sex life and i couldnt do that by myself,The bible doesnt say that only women should have that role.  The Song of Songs is a love song that  king Solomon wrote for his wife it is very intimate and sexual.  He says &#8220;My lover is radiant and ruddy outstanding among 10 thousand. Like a lilly among thorns is my darling among the maidens.(3:2)<br />
basically it says that he takes her out in public and shows her off telling all the people how great she is (3:4)<br />
he strengthens me with raisens refreshes me with apples for i am faint with love-( she is seriously wore down:)<br />
it talks about going to her parents home and asking for her to marry<br />
it also says do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires ( wait to have sex) the whole story is about young love how wild and free it is  then they marry and he talks about how her breasts rival the beauty of twin fawns in the field ( taht was pretty hot i guess) and he tells her that she is a well of flowing water  blow on my garden that its fragrance may spread abroad let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits.  my point is people think the bible is this boring old book that says you suck, everything you do is wrong &#8211; but it doesnt..  it is a wild romance novel with battles betrayal murder and forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: jych</title>
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		<dc:creator>jych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all not all people in a cdd ( christian domestic discipline) relationship are abusive and mean.  I have seen the sites that you are discussing and alot of them go way to far.  My husband and I are in a cdd relationship and so i will explain how things go in our home.  We have been married for 17 yrs the first 10 or so we fought all the time i am very hard headed and usually think i am right ( most of the time unfortunatly i am not) My husband earned 70k per year take home but I still had us in bankruptcy court.  I had very little respect for him because he didnt accept his God given role as head of our home.  I disciplined our children ( we never spanked our children still don&#039;t) but would loose my temper with him in front of them, so they had little respect for him either.  We were inches away from a divorce- the only thing that kept us together was taht we didnt want our kids to grow up with divorced parents.  I suggested cdd to him he was totally against it we fought over NOT doing for about a year.  But the funny thing is within that year ( without him laying a hand on me) i began to change myself i  no longer would raise my voice to him especially infront of the kids i didnt second guess his decisions anymore ( i would do that alot - he couldnt make decisions because God forbid he be wrong i would make him misserable) basically i was a bitch and treated him terrible) cdd is less about spanking and more about submission in a biblical sence.  It doesnt mean that my openion doesnt matter anymore it means that i respect him enough to know that as head of our home that he will make the proper decision for our family.  We sit down and discuss   decisions now instead of me or him doing it alone he will even call me to get my ideas on if we should spend money on little things now and if i think we really need them.  This never happened before.  I would waste, he would waste we were both resentful.  Our children are happier now that there isnt fighting and screaming anymore even with the door closed they werent stupid they knew and were scared for it.  You called cdd bad porn it isnt.   We dont look at porn.  At our worst point in our marriage i thought maybe porn would make things better since he wasnt interested in me -- he turned it down that isnt the kind of man that he is he was raised with moral values that he sticks to.  The funny thing is when i gave him back the leadership role in our home he  wanted me again- he looks at me like the delicate flower that he married not the crazy control freak  who i had  become.He is a good man- probably the best man that i have ever meant.  He works full time and attends college to get his masters and still has time to do athletics with our children.  I think that alot of the people at those sites either dont practice or they exaggerate the punnishments to impress each other.  Has my husband ever spanked me? Yes.  Did i need it YES it is more for me to feel him dominate me i need that i like to feel like he is stronger than me it makes me feel safe.  he never trys to hurt me -- it is probably more like what most people do in sex.  its a turn on.  If he needed to punish me i would absolutly allow it but truely we dont need that.  When he doesnt like something i have done we sit and talk about it and i am so sorry taht i have hurt him and made him disappointed in me ( i would probably rather him hit me that listen to him say that he is disappointed in me, that is what i wanted in the beginning- he didnt - im glad that he did not) I read some of the posts on those sites and i worry about the women.  They do not seem to grasp the concept behind the bible- it says wives submitt to your husbands- husbands love your wives like CHRIST first loved you.  Please do not put all people who practice CDD into a little closed box we are not all freaks ( just like all ATHIESTS are not all evil) there are just a small portion who make us all look bad.  GOD bless you all, maybe someday you will find your way to his love- he is waiting for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all not all people in a cdd ( christian domestic discipline) relationship are abusive and mean.  I have seen the sites that you are discussing and alot of them go way to far.  My husband and I are in a cdd relationship and so i will explain how things go in our home.  We have been married for 17 yrs the first 10 or so we fought all the time i am very hard headed and usually think i am right ( most of the time unfortunatly i am not) My husband earned 70k per year take home but I still had us in bankruptcy court.  I had very little respect for him because he didnt accept his God given role as head of our home.  I disciplined our children ( we never spanked our children still don&#8217;t) but would loose my temper with him in front of them, so they had little respect for him either.  We were inches away from a divorce- the only thing that kept us together was taht we didnt want our kids to grow up with divorced parents.  I suggested cdd to him he was totally against it we fought over NOT doing for about a year.  But the funny thing is within that year ( without him laying a hand on me) i began to change myself i  no longer would raise my voice to him especially infront of the kids i didnt second guess his decisions anymore ( i would do that alot &#8211; he couldnt make decisions because God forbid he be wrong i would make him misserable) basically i was a bitch and treated him terrible) cdd is less about spanking and more about submission in a biblical sence.  It doesnt mean that my openion doesnt matter anymore it means that i respect him enough to know that as head of our home that he will make the proper decision for our family.  We sit down and discuss   decisions now instead of me or him doing it alone he will even call me to get my ideas on if we should spend money on little things now and if i think we really need them.  This never happened before.  I would waste, he would waste we were both resentful.  Our children are happier now that there isnt fighting and screaming anymore even with the door closed they werent stupid they knew and were scared for it.  You called cdd bad porn it isnt.   We dont look at porn.  At our worst point in our marriage i thought maybe porn would make things better since he wasnt interested in me &#8212; he turned it down that isnt the kind of man that he is he was raised with moral values that he sticks to.  The funny thing is when i gave him back the leadership role in our home he  wanted me again- he looks at me like the delicate flower that he married not the crazy control freak  who i had  become.He is a good man- probably the best man that i have ever meant.  He works full time and attends college to get his masters and still has time to do athletics with our children.  I think that alot of the people at those sites either dont practice or they exaggerate the punnishments to impress each other.  Has my husband ever spanked me? Yes.  Did i need it YES it is more for me to feel him dominate me i need that i like to feel like he is stronger than me it makes me feel safe.  he never trys to hurt me &#8212; it is probably more like what most people do in sex.  its a turn on.  If he needed to punish me i would absolutly allow it but truely we dont need that.  When he doesnt like something i have done we sit and talk about it and i am so sorry taht i have hurt him and made him disappointed in me ( i would probably rather him hit me that listen to him say that he is disappointed in me, that is what i wanted in the beginning- he didnt &#8211; im glad that he did not) I read some of the posts on those sites and i worry about the women.  They do not seem to grasp the concept behind the bible- it says wives submitt to your husbands- husbands love your wives like CHRIST first loved you.  Please do not put all people who practice CDD into a little closed box we are not all freaks ( just like all ATHIESTS are not all evil) there are just a small portion who make us all look bad.  GOD bless you all, maybe someday you will find your way to his love- he is waiting for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Birth control is a sin &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is birth control a sin? 

Why is it a wife&#039;s duty to satisfy her husband?  Why can&#039;t he satisfy her too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Birth control is a sin </p></blockquote>
<p>How is birth control a sin? </p>
<p>Why is it a wife&#8217;s duty to satisfy her husband?  Why can&#8217;t he satisfy her too?</p>
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		<title>By: Xandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more then porn. I just posted this on another site and thought it might be of intrest here.

There is another part of  CDD. Maintenance spankings (scheduled weekly,daily etc.as the husband deems necessary) and Punishment spankings should not include pleasure for the disobedient wife. The husband should be thanked with oral sex from his submissive wife after she finishes her corner time unless the Punishment spanking/beating ends with anal sex supposedly to further punish the bad wife. Then he forgives and cuddles his properly chastened wife before he puts her to bed for the night.

Birth control is a sin and you should only have vaginal intercourse for procreation. So it&#039;s a wife&#039;s duty to satisfy her husband in other ways. I believe that some of these guys use these rules because they don&#039;t enjoy sex with women and think it&#039;s a sin to be with the men they desire.

I met a woman on a chat board who married a fundamentalist with teen daughters that he had straddle his thigh bare ass   
for their frequent punishments. She witnessed this before  the marriage but their minister approved so she accepted it.

On their wedding night she got the same punishment for her misdeeds that she had committed before the wedding. She found it erotic so didn&#039;t protest the daily hand spankings she  received until he felt her debts were paid. Maintenance spankings became bi-weekly and increased in severity. After a year he instituted a Sat. punishment when the girls were at a teen church group. 

She had to get naked and arrange herself on her knees over pillows on the bed, legs spread, ass raised and wait for her  husband. He would enter the eoom  remove his heavy belt and beat her with it as he lectured her on shortcomings as a wife. He never stopped until she was covered with welts from waist to knee including her inner thighs. When he thought.she wasn&#039;t contrite enough he fallowed this with a rubber paddle. It ended with him sodomizing her. Then she was forgiven and put to bed. 
 
This treatment caused her great shame and it took her months to talk about it. I immediately advised her to leave him. He found out and made her e-mail me that she deserved and freely accepted all punishment. She was put on daily spankings plus the Sat beatings. She chose to stay with him as God&#039;s will even though the pleasure has been replaced with pain.and guilt. i think they have an S&amp;M relationship cloaked in the bible.

It&#039;s very sad. I enjoy erotic spanking no CDD, DD or master just hot sex. with my husband. She was and probally still is being beaten, Some woman stay because they believe they&#039;ll go to hell if they leave. I believe they are in hell now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more then porn. I just posted this on another site and thought it might be of intrest here.</p>
<p>There is another part of  CDD. Maintenance spankings (scheduled weekly,daily etc.as the husband deems necessary) and Punishment spankings should not include pleasure for the disobedient wife. The husband should be thanked with oral sex from his submissive wife after she finishes her corner time unless the Punishment spanking/beating ends with anal sex supposedly to further punish the bad wife. Then he forgives and cuddles his properly chastened wife before he puts her to bed for the night.</p>
<p>Birth control is a sin and you should only have vaginal intercourse for procreation. So it&#8217;s a wife&#8217;s duty to satisfy her husband in other ways. I believe that some of these guys use these rules because they don&#8217;t enjoy sex with women and think it&#8217;s a sin to be with the men they desire.</p>
<p>I met a woman on a chat board who married a fundamentalist with teen daughters that he had straddle his thigh bare ass<br />
for their frequent punishments. She witnessed this before  the marriage but their minister approved so she accepted it.</p>
<p>On their wedding night she got the same punishment for her misdeeds that she had committed before the wedding. She found it erotic so didn&#8217;t protest the daily hand spankings she  received until he felt her debts were paid. Maintenance spankings became bi-weekly and increased in severity. After a year he instituted a Sat. punishment when the girls were at a teen church group. </p>
<p>She had to get naked and arrange herself on her knees over pillows on the bed, legs spread, ass raised and wait for her  husband. He would enter the eoom  remove his heavy belt and beat her with it as he lectured her on shortcomings as a wife. He never stopped until she was covered with welts from waist to knee including her inner thighs. When he thought.she wasn&#8217;t contrite enough he fallowed this with a rubber paddle. It ended with him sodomizing her. Then she was forgiven and put to bed. </p>
<p>This treatment caused her great shame and it took her months to talk about it. I immediately advised her to leave him. He found out and made her e-mail me that she deserved and freely accepted all punishment. She was put on daily spankings plus the Sat beatings. She chose to stay with him as God&#8217;s will even though the pleasure has been replaced with pain.and guilt. i think they have an S&amp;M relationship cloaked in the bible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very sad. I enjoy erotic spanking no CDD, DD or master just hot sex. with my husband. She was and probally still is being beaten, Some woman stay because they believe they&#8217;ll go to hell if they leave. I believe they are in hell now</p>
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		<title>By: Mireille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mireille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if this has already been posted in comments (too tired to read all of them), but if you want more christian sex I suggest http://www.themarriagebed.com/

the discussion forums are pretty priceless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if this has already been posted in comments (too tired to read all of them), but if you want more christian sex I suggest <a href="http://www.themarriagebed.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.themarriagebed.com/</a></p>
<p>the discussion forums are pretty priceless</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ 
I couldn&#039;t have put it better. I was/am shocked and appalled and disgusted with the CDD lifestyle. Our country is making stances about not to spank your children and now there are people promoting wife spanking?
It&#039;s abuse. It&#039;s manipulation. It&#039;s brainwashing. It&#039;s so messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^<br />
I couldn&#8217;t have put it better. I was/am shocked and appalled and disgusted with the CDD lifestyle. Our country is making stances about not to spank your children and now there are people promoting wife spanking?<br />
It&#8217;s abuse. It&#8217;s manipulation. It&#8217;s brainwashing. It&#8217;s so messed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, 

  I&#039;m a European Christian  and tonight I was searching for articles on marriage when I stumbled across this page, which appeared to be giving instructions on how to beat a rebellious wife. I thought I was reading either, as you say, really bad porn, or possibly some al-quaida inspired islamist side show. 

I was about to haul ass out of there when I saw the tag line &quot;Christian Domestic Discipline: Loving Wife Spanking&quot;. I confess, before almighty God, all the angels and saints, and the Holy Virgin (who most assuredly never wore those kinky pantaloons) that I did read the whole entire site, and some of the member blogs, and even the excerpts from the &quot;Romance Literature&quot; on Lulu, with a kind of morbid fascination admixed with repulsion. 

 At first I thought it was a joke. After a harrowing couple of hours, I realised it couldn&#039;t be.Just please don&#039;t punish me (or ask me to wear that stupid underwear)  for my moment of weakness where I gave into the sinful desire of morbid curiosity.  It was the religious gloss (and after reading the accounts of some of the women invovled, it can only be a gloss) that was the most horrifying, since these relationships clearly looked unhealthy - a bit more than a harmless kink in the bedroom. As CS Lewis once said, by mixing a little of the truth in with the lie, they made the lie far stronger. 

How to beat your wife and get her to like it, would be a more appropriate title for that website - because I recognise the techniques - its essentially where the husband take on a jackle-hyde personality and uses very powerful forms of psychological manipulation to get teh wife to mould herself into a prescribed role. I read one where a woman was &quot;disciplined&quot; for accidentally knocking the gas tap on the cooker when she was cleaning it.  She thought she deserved the beating she got. 

I have no doubt that these wives are more &quot;submissive&quot; after the &quot;treatment&quot;. Essentially its the pavlovian condition beloved of torturers and interrogators everywhere.  The trouble is, for Christians, manipulation is a big no-no. It messes with that little thing called free will, and if you take your faith seriously as a Christian, you take that Free Will thing as seriously as God does. 

If it looks like a duck...so the saying goes. And this one&#039;s a-quackin&#039; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, </p>
<p>  I&#8217;m a European Christian  and tonight I was searching for articles on marriage when I stumbled across this page, which appeared to be giving instructions on how to beat a rebellious wife. I thought I was reading either, as you say, really bad porn, or possibly some al-quaida inspired islamist side show. </p>
<p>I was about to haul ass out of there when I saw the tag line &#8220;Christian Domestic Discipline: Loving Wife Spanking&#8221;. I confess, before almighty God, all the angels and saints, and the Holy Virgin (who most assuredly never wore those kinky pantaloons) that I did read the whole entire site, and some of the member blogs, and even the excerpts from the &#8220;Romance Literature&#8221; on Lulu, with a kind of morbid fascination admixed with repulsion. </p>
<p> At first I thought it was a joke. After a harrowing couple of hours, I realised it couldn&#8217;t be.Just please don&#8217;t punish me (or ask me to wear that stupid underwear)  for my moment of weakness where I gave into the sinful desire of morbid curiosity.  It was the religious gloss (and after reading the accounts of some of the women invovled, it can only be a gloss) that was the most horrifying, since these relationships clearly looked unhealthy &#8211; a bit more than a harmless kink in the bedroom. As CS Lewis once said, by mixing a little of the truth in with the lie, they made the lie far stronger. </p>
<p>How to beat your wife and get her to like it, would be a more appropriate title for that website &#8211; because I recognise the techniques &#8211; its essentially where the husband take on a jackle-hyde personality and uses very powerful forms of psychological manipulation to get teh wife to mould herself into a prescribed role. I read one where a woman was &#8220;disciplined&#8221; for accidentally knocking the gas tap on the cooker when she was cleaning it.  She thought she deserved the beating she got. </p>
<p>I have no doubt that these wives are more &#8220;submissive&#8221; after the &#8220;treatment&#8221;. Essentially its the pavlovian condition beloved of torturers and interrogators everywhere.  The trouble is, for Christians, manipulation is a big no-no. It messes with that little thing called free will, and if you take your faith seriously as a Christian, you take that Free Will thing as seriously as God does. </p>
<p>If it looks like a duck&#8230;so the saying goes. And this one&#8217;s a-quackin&#8217; .</p>
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		<title>By: reader400</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually disagree with you. I think it&#039;s pretty good porn. 

Because these people either are sincere (shudder) or put on a good, consistent show of sincerity, their descriptions of their insane lifestyle provides me--a kinky person--with a deliciously bizarre escapist sexual fantasy. Sure, it&#039;s not that well-written but if it were, but that&#039;s just as well because if the writers were skilled I wouldn&#039;t be able to &quot;believe&quot; in it as much. 

Also, it wouldn&#039;t double as a comedy goldmine when I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; turned on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually disagree with you. I think it&#8217;s pretty good porn. </p>
<p>Because these people either are sincere (shudder) or put on a good, consistent show of sincerity, their descriptions of their insane lifestyle provides me&#8211;a kinky person&#8211;with a deliciously bizarre escapist sexual fantasy. Sure, it&#8217;s not that well-written but if it were, but that&#8217;s just as well because if the writers were skilled I wouldn&#8217;t be able to &#8220;believe&#8221; in it as much. </p>
<p>Also, it wouldn&#8217;t double as a comedy goldmine when I&#8217;m <em>not</em> turned on.</p>
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