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	<title>Comments on: God or Blind Nature?  Philosophers Debate the Evidence</title>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>olvlzl, no ism, no ist, you really need to edit your posts before you bring them here.  Just because you&#039;ve an obviously limited perspective on the subjects you address, you ought not to assume a know-it-all tone.  Unless, of course, you find some perverse pleasure in debasing yourself before others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>olvlzl, no ism, no ist, you really need to edit your posts before you bring them here.  Just because you&#8217;ve an obviously limited perspective on the subjects you address, you ought not to assume a know-it-all tone.  Unless, of course, you find some perverse pleasure in debasing yourself before others.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
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		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any of them can come up with clearly new argurments in these areas I&#039;ll be very surprised, it&#039;s all been said before.   

I suspect that the fact that the claims of the materialists (whatever they want to call themselves) impose extra burdens on their claims and methods will be ignored by those who agree with them.   By claiming that enough is know about the physical universe and the laws that govern it to come up with somewhat comprehensive SCIENTIFIC answers to the questions they commit themselves to coming up with the goods.   Anyone who asserts that these are open questions (indeed I assert that they have been, are and always will be unknowable by science, math or reasoning) doesn&#039;t assume these burdens due to the realtive modesty of any claims made.   Materialists generally assert things they can&#039;t back up with sufficient evidence to consitute a proof but they are also generally let off the hook and their unsupported claims are allowed to stand.   This is a matter of prejudice and bias, not of reasoning and honesty.  

As for the question of free will, the historical evidence of what happens when it is assumed to not exist or that it is unimportant is more compelling than any of the assertions of dogmatic materialists or others.   Slavery, oppression, death, genocide, ... those are historical facts and the direct result of the assumption that people are not inherently free to believe or act out of personal freedom.   I am coming to the conclusion that the dogmatically materialist view of life will generally, if not necessarily lead to the loss of freedom.   I&#039;ve been doing a bit of reading about Corliss Lamont, the godfather of much of the would be atheist establishment and his Stalinism as well as his fanatically materialist activities.  I&#039;ve had to conclude that the two are not unrelated nor are the activities of his associates and descendents.   I believe that the pretensions of materialism are a danger to freedom and human dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any of them can come up with clearly new argurments in these areas I&#8217;ll be very surprised, it&#8217;s all been said before.   </p>
<p>I suspect that the fact that the claims of the materialists (whatever they want to call themselves) impose extra burdens on their claims and methods will be ignored by those who agree with them.   By claiming that enough is know about the physical universe and the laws that govern it to come up with somewhat comprehensive SCIENTIFIC answers to the questions they commit themselves to coming up with the goods.   Anyone who asserts that these are open questions (indeed I assert that they have been, are and always will be unknowable by science, math or reasoning) doesn&#8217;t assume these burdens due to the realtive modesty of any claims made.   Materialists generally assert things they can&#8217;t back up with sufficient evidence to consitute a proof but they are also generally let off the hook and their unsupported claims are allowed to stand.   This is a matter of prejudice and bias, not of reasoning and honesty.  </p>
<p>As for the question of free will, the historical evidence of what happens when it is assumed to not exist or that it is unimportant is more compelling than any of the assertions of dogmatic materialists or others.   Slavery, oppression, death, genocide, &#8230; those are historical facts and the direct result of the assumption that people are not inherently free to believe or act out of personal freedom.   I am coming to the conclusion that the dogmatically materialist view of life will generally, if not necessarily lead to the loss of freedom.   I&#8217;ve been doing a bit of reading about Corliss Lamont, the godfather of much of the would be atheist establishment and his Stalinism as well as his fanatically materialist activities.  I&#8217;ve had to conclude that the two are not unrelated nor are the activities of his associates and descendents.   I believe that the pretensions of materialism are a danger to freedom and human dignity.</p>
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