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	<title>Comments on: Words I Thought I Would Never Say</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54945</link>
		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amissio, a better reason to avoid arguments of that sort based on probability is that is it an irrational misapplication of the math of probability.  There is absolutely no basis for applying probability to proposed things outside of the physical universe.  It is one of the most absurd applications of math since some Bayesians tried to apply probability to proving that God existed.   That attempt was rightly and roundly ridiculed by non-believers, to turn around and do the mirror image of it and claiming that it is in some way a scientific exercise is even more laughable.

Atheists who stick to just stating that they, personally, don&#039;t believe are in a much more secure position, in terms of argument.  Who can deny that they are the best witness as to what they believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amissio, a better reason to avoid arguments of that sort based on probability is that is it an irrational misapplication of the math of probability.  There is absolutely no basis for applying probability to proposed things outside of the physical universe.  It is one of the most absurd applications of math since some Bayesians tried to apply probability to proving that God existed.   That attempt was rightly and roundly ridiculed by non-believers, to turn around and do the mirror image of it and claiming that it is in some way a scientific exercise is even more laughable.</p>
<p>Atheists who stick to just stating that they, personally, don&#8217;t believe are in a much more secure position, in terms of argument.  Who can deny that they are the best witness as to what they believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Amissio</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54934</link>
		<dc:creator>Amissio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we atheists don&#039;t claim that God exists, but rather that He is improbable? I take a bit of exception to that, as I&#039;m pretty sure that would make us all agnostics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we atheists don&#8217;t claim that God exists, but rather that He is improbable? I take a bit of exception to that, as I&#8217;m pretty sure that would make us all agnostics.</p>
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		<title>By: olvlzl, no ism, no ist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54904</link>
		<dc:creator>olvlzl, no ism, no ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitchens is great?  D&#039;Sousa doesn&#039;t lie?  Yeah, right.  And Sam Harris is a great  scientist too, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitchens is great?  D&#8217;Sousa doesn&#8217;t lie?  Yeah, right.  And Sam Harris is a great  scientist too, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly ever share Mr. D&#039;Souza&#039;s views, but, unlike most of the talking-head conservatives, he doesn&#039;t lie.  Hitchen&#039;s is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly ever share Mr. D&#8217;Souza&#8217;s views, but, unlike most of the talking-head conservatives, he doesn&#8217;t lie.  Hitchen&#8217;s is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54725</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, depending on what someone means by &quot;god&quot;, I believe it can be proven that no god exists, &lt;em&gt;but this is done by showing the meaning of the term to be nonsensical&lt;/em&gt;. Many people probably don&#039;t believe this is an argument for nonexistence, but I don&#039;t look at it in that, perhaps typical, way. What I do most of the time, however, is try to show that there is &lt;em&gt;no reason&lt;/em&gt; to believe in the existence of a god. I give extreme importance to definitions.

But regarding Berkowitz, he&#039;s just another person who doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about. Instead of actually giving atheists the time of day to tell him how they actually are, he instead mischaracterizes them and the atheist position. I&#039;ve never read anything from D&#039;Souza, but I liked the sound of this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, depending on what someone means by &#8220;god&#8221;, I believe it can be proven that no god exists, <em>but this is done by showing the meaning of the term to be nonsensical</em>. Many people probably don&#8217;t believe this is an argument for nonexistence, but I don&#8217;t look at it in that, perhaps typical, way. What I do most of the time, however, is try to show that there is <em>no reason</em> to believe in the existence of a god. I give extreme importance to definitions.</p>
<p>But regarding Berkowitz, he&#8217;s just another person who doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about. Instead of actually giving atheists the time of day to tell him how they actually are, he instead mischaracterizes them and the atheist position. I&#8217;ve never read anything from D&#8217;Souza, but I liked the sound of this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; The Worst Article You&#8217;ll Read All Day</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54708</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; The Worst Article You&#8217;ll Read All Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Wall Street Journal said the number was more like one million. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Wall Street Journal said the number was more like one million. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54630</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it begs the question of why the 20th-century embrace of secularism unleashed human depravity of unprecedented proportions. &lt;/blockquote&gt; I have a really difficult time containing myself when I hear people claim that somehow atheism and atheistic ideologies were the cause of death and destruction throughout history, as if atheism and morality are mutually exclusive. 
The problem isn&#039;t so much religion as it is faith. When someone has belief without reason (i.e., faith), it doesn&#039;t matter what object, person, or concept the faith is directed toward: it ceases to be anything other than corrupt, and it ceases to be atheistic. Why?

Atheism has an entire context surrounding it which incorporates humanism, education, free thinking, open discourse, and a goal to eradicate willful ignorance (i.e., faith). We didn&#039;t see this in any other society. 

I think it was Harris who said (something to this extent) that: &quot;No society ever collapsed from thinking too much.&quot; I probably have that somewhat wrong, but I&#039;m sure you get what I&#039;m saying. I&#039;m tired of people thinking these strawmen and false compositions are somehow accurate representations of atheists and atheism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it begs the question of why the 20th-century embrace of secularism unleashed human depravity of unprecedented proportions. </p></blockquote>
<p> I have a really difficult time containing myself when I hear people claim that somehow atheism and atheistic ideologies were the cause of death and destruction throughout history, as if atheism and morality are mutually exclusive.<br />
The problem isn&#8217;t so much religion as it is faith. When someone has belief without reason (i.e., faith), it doesn&#8217;t matter what object, person, or concept the faith is directed toward: it ceases to be anything other than corrupt, and it ceases to be atheistic. Why?</p>
<p>Atheism has an entire context surrounding it which incorporates humanism, education, free thinking, open discourse, and a goal to eradicate willful ignorance (i.e., faith). We didn&#8217;t see this in any other society. </p>
<p>I think it was Harris who said (something to this extent) that: &#8220;No society ever collapsed from thinking too much.&#8221; I probably have that somewhat wrong, but I&#8217;m sure you get what I&#8217;m saying. I&#8217;m tired of people thinking these strawmen and false compositions are somehow accurate representations of atheists and atheism.</p>
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		<title>By: anti-nonsense</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54561</link>
		<dc:creator>anti-nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, I never thought I&#039;d agree with anything Dinesh D&#039;Souza said, but he&#039;s right, maybe for the first time ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, I never thought I&#8217;d agree with anything Dinesh D&#8217;Souza said, but he&#8217;s right, maybe for the first time ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54527</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yummy! I&#039;ll have to read D’Souza more often...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yummy! I&#8217;ll have to read D’Souza more often&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/07/16/words-i-thought-i-would-never-say/#comment-54508</link>
		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;there aren’t any atheist popes!&lt;/i&gt;

I thought Dawkins was our pope. There is no god, and Dawkins is his prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>there aren’t any atheist popes!</i></p>
<p>I thought Dawkins was our pope. There is no god, and Dawkins is his prophet.</p>
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