Atheists in South Carolina

Weekly Surge magazine has a positive article on atheists in South Carolina. There are a lot of quotations from notable atheists and a summation of what it’s like to be non-religious in the state.

The first part of the article talks about Eric Heyd, the atheist who (stupidly) wrote “Fuck the skull of Jesus” on his car and was then beaten up. Despite what he wrote, the reaction was far worse and the coverage was despicable.

It wasn’t so much the brutal attack that outraged, but more so the fashion in which it was reported in the daily newspaper:

Admitted atheist attacked outside gym

“A Myrtle Beach man and admitted atheist was attacked and robbed on Thursday night by a group of men who took offense to an anti-Christian phrase on his windshield.”

Reported by The Sun News on May 4, the entire mention was merely a small blurb, one of the police beat nuggets that so many cub reporters cut their teeth on. However, the story gained a life of its own, soon appearing on more than 100 secular humanist/atheist blogs and websites around the world. And as much as people had a problem with the fact that a person was beaten up and robbed, they moreover had a problem with the language – and, some would say, subtle editorializing – in the article’s headline and in the article itself.

A reader posting on Unscrewing the Inscrutable (www.brentrasmussen.com) put it thusly: “The expression ‘admitted atheist’ is unacceptable. He didn’t confess to doing something wrong like an ‘admitted pedophile.’ No one uses the expression ‘admitted Christian.’ The article’s use of ‘admitted’ is editorializing in the worst way.”

Incidentally, the attackers were not caught and police have stopped looking for them.

The next part of the article focuses on Herb Silverman, the president of the Secular Coalition for America:

“I think the new interest in atheism is terrific,” Silverman says. “I hope it convinces more people to come out of the closet. When people tell me I am the first atheist they ever met, I generally respond: ‘No I’m not. You’ve met thousands of atheists. I’m just the first person you knew was an atheist.’ The more people that acknowledge their non-belief in any deities, the less we will be stereotyped. There are good and bad atheists, good and bad Christians, and good and bad in all other groups. I hope someday that people will be judged more on their actions than on their professed religious beliefs. If all 30 million atheists acknowledged who they are, that action alone would change our culture.”

There’s one mention of a pastor who doesn’t believe in atheists (Huh? I’m right here. I don’t believe in God. So there) and who thinks that the “new atheism” is all about taking your money. (He fails to see the irony in that statement):

Whereas atheists and humanists preach that there is no God passing judgment upon us, Pastor Darren Squires of Socastee Free Will Baptist Church says that there are no real atheists.

“I have studied hard through the years to try to learn the Bible and what it has to say about the subjects I preach on,” says Squires. “The Bible says in Psalms 14:1 that ‘The fool hath said in his heart, (There is) no God.’ I preach that we are all blind, and until we realize that we are all sinners and that we are not perfect we cannot see the need for God in our lives. I truly do not believe that there are any true atheists in the world. I honestly believe that each human has a thought of a higher being than ourselves in their hearts.

“It (New Atheism) is no different to me than the same old belief that there is no God, or as they refer to it, no higher power. New Atheist just means new material, new books, new speakers, new money.

“‘New’ just means I have found a new way of making money.”

There’s another pastor who thinks religion is perfectly wonderful and atheism is really the cause of the world’s problems:

“… God is still active, drawing people to Himself whether I – or Richard Dawkins and his ilk – believe it or not. You know, it’s funny. If I didn’t believe in something, why would I spend so much time and energy trying to explain away what doesn’t exist? Excuse my pessimism. Again, it’s not God that has caused the problems in this world, it’s people. (Joseph) Stalin certainly wasn’t a huge defender of the faith and he wiped out millions” [said Tim Holt, Pastor of Myrtle Beach's Seacoast Vineyard Church.]

Again, no hint of irony in his statements. To quote George Carlin: “All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Kashmir, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take ‘Thou shalt not kill.’”

In the article, there’s a supposed quotation from George Bush (senior) about atheists not being considered citizens that should not be repeated.

The article also quotes Annie Laurie Gaylor of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and DJ Grothe of the Center for Inquiry.


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  • http://www.skepchick.org writerdd

    Thereâ??s one mention of a pastor who doesnâ??t believe in atheists (Huh? Iâ??m right here. I donâ??t believe in God. So there)

    It’s the way many Christians use language.

    When they say “I don’t believe in X” they do not mean “I do not believe that X exists,” but rather “Of course X is real, but it is of the devil.”

    So when many atheists say, “I don’t believe in God,” what the Chrsitian hears is “I don’t like God,” or “I am mad at God,” or “I want to sin, so I won’t obey God,” They don’t hear “I think God is a figment of people’s imagination like Santa.”

  • miller

    I think the pastor is just referring to his own definition of “atheist”, which he calls a “true atheist”. See, you can’t fit his definition of a “true atheist” because you aren’t a fool (and you don’t rape and pillage, as all humans secretly desire to do). Therefore, you believe in God. QED

    More seriously, it’s not uncommon to believe that God has planted a small seed of faith in everyone. It’s supposed to justify the fact that not everyone seems to be in an equal position to find God. It may seem insulting, but it’s not really any more so than calling religious people deluded.

  • PrimateIR

    I truly do not believe that there are any true atheists in the world.

    That’s funny because I’ve always felt that theists were faking it. Like children who claim to believe in Santa in the hopes that Mom and Dad will then give them more gifts.

    If people really believed in God they would take higher risk jobs because it would increase their chances of going to heaven and they wouldn’t cry when someone they loved died because that person would be going to a better place.

  • http://www.netscape.com Scholar

    Thanks, great analysis.
    Fellow soulless atheist.

  • Swabbie

    What does taking a higher risk job have to do with it? Aren’t we all going to die eventually? We grieve for our loved ones because we are sad we won’t see them again for a long time. What’s wrong with that?

    Did any of you ever stop to think about how we got here in the first place? Do you really believe that we walked out of the ocean as a big glob of goo or descended from monkeys? You’ll all find out someday. Too bad it will probably be too late.

  • Lakerdude58

    I am never suprised when a christian retaliate against others who do not share their particular fairy tale existence. Christians do far more against the word of a book they hold so dearly than do those who subcribe to no religion at all. I think the proper word is “hypocrite” and all you have to do is see a group praying in public to know that they are. There is a verse in Matthew about praying in public, which Jesus says is hypocritical. You are supposed to pray in private, away from the public eye. But that is one of many examples of christians who disobey the word of Christ. So assaulting a person or killing in the name of a God is not something Jesus would ever give his blessing to. I believe Jesus existed but I refuse to believe in religion, especially organized religion. It is a load of bunk!

  • http://none CLIFFORD GIBSON

    Sorry I am not an atheist…..however atheists do have souls and a tue Christian would not I repeat beat up and rob someone. It and in itself even with the vulgur language toward 1/3 of the Trinity….would never approve of such, since Christ said: Love your enemies and do good to those whom would do you harm. So no there is something else behind the attack….something more vile than you can picture. If there is God then there is evil. However take a back seat and read this carefully. If there is no god….then do we have souls do we have a spirit. If this is all there is why not eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die. As for myself I shall trust in the Lord my God. You can believe what ever you wish. But your religion that there is no God is your right. As is also my right to believe there is a GOD. This nation was formed on rights and liberties. Our service men and women died to make this true. But the reason why it was a small story. Well of that I am sure there was a reason. Did I say it was a good one. NO. Thank you.

  • TXatheist

    The attackers were not caught? Based on what he told me after I made a youtube video he knew them from school.

  • http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com The Atheist Jew

    Is there anything in the bible that allows someone to rob and beat someone up for Jesus?

  • AZBEE

    I feel sorry for those who dont beleive in GOD, wait until judgement day when they must answer for there beliefs

  • http://atheistrevolution.blogspot.com/ vjack

    The Atheist Jew, are some choice parts in the OT where god commands his followers to kill nonbelievers. I suppose that may count.

  • Ben

    This is a little off topic but here goes. I am an athiest living in Texas and I generally do keep that fact to myself. Of course, Texas is right in the center of the bible belt and I have felt that at certain places I have worked my job would be in jepordy if it was know I was an athiest. I am a very friendly helpful person and I usually get one of two reactions from religious people when they find out I am an athiest. First reaction is disbelief, they seem to think all athiest are bomb toting anarchist bent on destroying society. They are amazed that I, an athiest, am a nice law abiding citizen. My response to them is “so the only reason you don’t rape and murder people is because you are afraid of going to hell when you die or is it because you want to be a good person?” The second reaction I always get is “don’t you want to go to church and worship god just in case you are wrong?” I just laugh at this. I explain that I am not some person who lost faith or something. I am just as sure of my beliefs as you are of yours. As far as I am concerned Christianity is nothing more than ancient superstition and the bible is just a book of mythology.

  • Sy555

    I seriously question whether the individuals who were called “christians” in the newspaper report were actually that, if indeed they robbed the one who called himself an atheist. While our “forefathers” do guarantee freedom of speech, the so-called atheist presented a poor choice of words in his attempt to insult believers in Christ; however, in no way did he deserve any beating or robbery for it.

    I do believe and follow Jesus, but I’m not easily offended by what people write and say, given their state of being.

    I just chalk it up to what the Holy Scripture says in Psalm14:1: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho geoffrey richards

    Hi friends,

    That there are hypocrites and ignorant people in the world doesn’t disprove that God exists. The definition of ‘God’ is up for debate. Might I recommend anyone who considers themselves an ‘atheist’ or ‘agnostic’ check out these links:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?ei=5090&en=22bfff4070a81187&ex=1344744000

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/08/15/-atheists-vs-agnostics-vs-religionists-or-are-they-all-the-same/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdulyconsider.com%2F2007%2F08%2Fatheists-vs-agnostics-vs-religionists.html&frame=true

    Kind regards, and I hope this isn’t too heavy,
    Geoffrey

    (p.s. I have some other info. at my blog)

  • Sy555

    I seriously doubt if the individuals who attacked and robbed the atheist were indeed Christians, given the revelation of their nature.

    Though the atheist perhaps displayed a poor choice of words in his insult of Jesus, he did not deserve to be beaten up and robbed.

    However, there is a scripture that pertains to all those who don’t believe that God exists, and it is found in the book of Psalm, Chapter 14, verse one:
    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

  • txatheist

    Ben,
    If you can make this September 8th I’ll be there. I’ve got some videos on youtube but I live near Austin so it’s convenient. Hope to see you there. We Texas atheists need all the unity we can get.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqKf5F1X3Es

  • Sagan

    I am an Atheist. or rather a person so does not believe in BS.

    A study of all the other myths from the past will rid you of your superstitious fears. And will actually start you laughing at all the stupidity it contains.

    The bait and switch tactics of the current popular myths has evolved with thousands of years to R&D behind it.

    They want your money and your mind. They convince you you have a soul so they can charm you out of both your money and your ability to think for yourself.

    Perhaps if you check out Joseph Atwill’s book Caesar’s Mesiah, you will get a starting peek of the mythical roots of the GREATEST story ever sold.

    If you dare. go to Secular web and read the material there in the libraries.

    Robert Green Ingersoll was one of the greatest secrets of our nation.

    His Why I am an Agnostic is a true American treasure of freethough from the burdon of the myth.

    Joseph Campbel’s books on the Masks of the gods will also lead back to the beginning of the trail of the evolution of the myth.

    The poem, The Path of the Calf describes the path of the myth, which started with the worship of the calf.. Check it on the web and THINK of want it is saying.

    Why a calf? digging deep into the root and the reasons for the myths will open you mind to the tricks and scams of the myths and their makers.

    The Golden Baugh is also a great adventure to the myths by an author from Darwin’s time.

    One cannot believe in one myth because they are all part of the evolutionary path of our present myths. All the mind control tools of the trade of fooling the gullible and ignorant are clearly seen as you follow the path of that sacrid calf to its present position.

    Mythology is the root of all evil because it robs the mind of its greatest power and purpose… to THINK for youself.

    Even the bible we read now is not the bible that was the original myth.

    It all evolves.. like hunanity and all life.. the the myth has take on a life of its own and has created more pain suffering and missery than all the crazy ideas humans have experimented with.

    Millions have died and suffered, even to this day.. to maintain the survival of a imaginary supernatual idea.

    Listen to the IMAGINE… and IMAGINE with me…

    Sagan

    Life is not a supernatural eternity Test!

  • Bruce Ramsey

    I wonder what kind of “Christians” beat him up? As a substitue teacher, I saw an Asian student write “F-Jesus” on a computer screen, and, when it was found out that he did it, he was attacked by a group of African Americans, claiming to be Christians. Even though I’m a Jesus fearing Christian, I came to kid’s rescue and, it wasn’t my job I was trying to protect either, if you know what I mean. I mean, I feared for his life.
    Well, GOOD thing THIS guy didn’t write such a thing about Allah on the windshield of a Muslim’s car. I don’t think he’d be alive now.

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho Geoffrey

    Hi Sagan,
    You seem so confident that you have everything figured out. One way or the other, I hope you can see the terribleness of war and famine and suffering. Whether you believe myths are a sham to control you or not, are you happy that people are starving or dying over the control of energy resources?

    I can imagine a better day for humanity. Can you? You seem intolerant of people who practice religions, yet would you wish tolerance from those same people for your non-belief?

    Here is what I am proposing:
    http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/1835

    I encourage you to come up with better solutions to ending war, intolerance, genocide, environmental degradation, etc. (all the man-made suffering).

    Kind regards,
    Geoff

  • Joe

    IMAGINE? “The imagination of man’s heart is evil from its youth.” I believe is the quote.

    Who is the “they” that want my money and my mind? If I choose to give a gift to God it because of His love for me. I expect nothing in return for this gift. And when I see the good that these gifts do within my church and in my community I am thankful that God has given me the privilege to help others with these gifts. What is so wrong and foolish with that?

    So IMAGINE for a moment that my belief in God is a myth. Then I suppose that when I die I will be in exactly the same position as any good little atheist. And. I might add, there will be no regret on my behalf for the path that I have chosen for my life.

    But IMAGINE if the Bible is God’s Word and the things contained therein are true I will have gained everything and those that rejected God’s call will have lost everything. How tragic. Will there be any regret spending an eternity in hell?

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho Geoffrey

    Hi Joe,
    Might I suggest that many more people would think more highly of Christianity if they were not being told that they will end up in hell? I think it is important to be completely tolerant of others’ views, even if you feel that they are ignorant.

    People like the people who would beat someone up for insulting the name of Jesus are ignorant, and also the person who would write something so vile about a person who was a complete pacifist, anarchist, and completely selfless is an action based in ignorance. I think its important to dispel ignorance in the world. Scientists are trying to find answers empirically. I would hope that religious adherents are trying to find answers (and inner and outer peace) through faith and following the rules established in their religion (10 commandments, non-materialism, forgiveness, compassion, etc).

    All the best,
    Geoff

  • PrimateIR

    But IMAGINE if the Bible is God’s Word and the things contained therein are true I will have gained everything and those that rejected God’s call will have lost everything. How tragic. Will there be any regret spending an eternity in hell?

    I hope one of us is right Joe, because if you are right then I will go to hell and you will go to heaven and if I am right we will both decompose in a compost heap….

    But if it turns out that the Celts were right and the ass that needs kissing is Lugh then I will go to Lugh purgatory for being ignorant and YOU will go to Lugh hell for worshiping a false god.

    In a global sense that is the worse possible path.

    I think, Joe, to be on the safe side you should sacrifice a fatted calf for us both….after all you have a lot more experience in worship than I do. I’m sure you will do a better job.

    Don’t worry about me slacking though. I will compile a list of other possible deities that we should pay homage to so that we are both covered.

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho Geoffrey

    Hi PrimateIR,
    If you are interested in finding out about another view of God/Gods, might I suggest you check out here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahai

    Kind regards,
    Geoffrey

    P.S. To the potential question about Hindus recognizing many Gods for example, the Bahai faith teaches that God has many faces and manifests throughout time in different appearances that are suitable to the particular culture and time.

  • Jen

    What’s with all the drive-by preaching in this thread, and it seems this thread alone?

    In this thread alone, we have
    1. Pascal’s Wager
    2. No True Scotsman fallacy
    3. Failure to understand evolution
    4. Bible quotes
    5. Hell threats
    6. Muslims are totally eviler than Christians

    Where did all these fools come from, and can they melt back into the woodwork?

  • PrimateIR

    Thank you Geoffrey! That will be a great place for Joe and I to start….won’t it Joe. Joe?

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho Geoffrey

    Hi Jen,
    I hope you are not glossing over what I am trying to contribute to this thread? I think it is important to see that not everyone has the same views of God. Though, I would suggest Darwin’s theory of evolution has some holes in it which can be verified with hard science and research done since he lived and died. There is actually some pretty strong evidence for the ‘intelligent design’ theory which borrows heavily from Darwin’s theory of evolution. A real scientist would weigh all the theories against reason and empirical truths and not accept a theory as fact when there is evidence that disproves part of the theory. For example, if you accept the ‘big bang’ theory, how does one explain the universe coming into existence out of nothingness? Perhaps there was some ‘Creator’ which we cannot all percieve?

    Oh, and a Christian or a Muslim who truly ‘walks the walk’ as perscribed by the founders of their respective faiths would completely be able to coexist peacefully on our planet. Then there are the ‘extreme’ voices which seem to get the most attention. This does not mean following every verse of the Koran or Bible literally, as some of what is presented in those books was relevant to previous ages, and some was added by people with political motivations—then of course, there is the ‘telephone-game’ effect of having ancient languages translated and retranslated, etc.

    Kind regards,
    Geoffrey

  • Richard Wade

    For Bruce and others wondering about the motivation or the religiosity of the attackers:
    From reading the original article and the original police report they sounded like nothing more than street punks. They were looking for a target, and the victim had an “attitude” that made it all the more entertaining for them. It’s highly doubtful that the perps had any strong religious feelings that were offended. It was about robbery and aggression. Even the victim’s inflammatory remark on his car was not so much about being anti-Christian as it was just being a dumbass way of expressing his general anger. The whole religious/anti-religious angle is overblown.

    Jen, you’re right. This is like picking up a rock in my garden.

  • Jen

    Geoffrey
    You seem pretty smart, so maybe you can understand where I am coming from here. This blog has a fairly loyal following of athiests, agnostics, and Christians. Now, any regular is going to tell you that certain arguments you are making have been posted here. We rehash them endlessly. I don’t know how much of this blog you have read, but let me assure you, we know many basic Christian arguments, and most of us non-god types are unconvinced, and the Christians don’t necessarily find them to be good arguments either.

    So when people come by here once, read nothing, and post something along the lines of “JESUS LOVES YOU BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL LOL” its fairly annoying. When an article is posted and people proclaim that we are all stupid for believing we arose from goo, we roll our eyes, especially when the article and the comment are not related in any way.

    I wasn’t specifically speaking of your responses, but let’s decontruct them:

    People like the people who would beat someone up for insulting the name of Jesus are ignorant, and also the person who would write something so vile about a person who was a complete pacifist, anarchist, and completely selfless is an action based in ignorance

    .

    This depends on what you believe about Jesus. Some atheists don’t buy into your theory that Jesus was all-loving and perfect. Who’s to say that dying because of your destiny is a sacrifice? Who is to stay its historically accurate?

    I would hope that religious adherents are trying to find answers (and inner and outer peace) through faith and following the rules established in their religion (10 commandments, non-materialism, forgiveness, compassion, etc).

    Not everyone here believes faith is a virtue. Also, you realize there were two sets of the Ten Commandments? And who is to say that my interpretation of them is the same as yours? I could read them and think vegetarianism is a virtue, and someone else could read it and believe that the beasts of burden exist to do our bidding. Both make sense following those rules.

    I think it is important to see that not everyone has the same views of God.

    I am utterly shocked.

    Though, I would suggest Darwin’s theory of evolution has some holes in it which can be verified with hard science and research done since he lived and died. There is actually some pretty strong evidence for the ‘intelligent design’ theory which borrows heavily from Darwin’s theory of evolution.

    So something that cribs heavily from something that has been tested has some evidence for it? If I decide that god uses his god magic to create gravity, it this “pretty strong evidence” that Jen’s God Theory of Gravity is true?

    A real scientist would weigh all the theories against reason and empirical truths and not accept a theory as fact when there is evidence that disproves part of the theory.

    A real scientist cannot test “god did it”. It is impossible. And a real scientist is not going to test all the theories- first of all, a theory in science is a wee bit different from a theory as used in general speech. If you mean it how most people use it, then no, a scientist is not going to test all the theories out there- there are many, many theories. Scientific theories are one step away from being a law, the highest scientific rules. Theories are tested extensively.

    For example, if you accept the ‘big bang’ theory, how does one explain the universe coming into existence out of nothingness? Perhaps there was some ‘Creator’ which we cannot all percieve?

    We aren’t sure yet, but a creation doesn’t imply a creator.

    Oh, and a Christian or a Muslim who truly ‘walks the walk’ as perscribed by the founders of their respective faiths would completely be able to coexist peacefully on our planet.

    True Scotsman argument. Are you really sure that the Bible and the Koron advocate peace towards everyone? Or maybe they suggest that killing non-believers is kosher?

    This does not mean following every verse of the Koran or Bible literally, as some of what is presented in those books was relevant to previous ages, and some was added by people with political motivations—then of course, there is the ‘telephone-game’ effect of having ancient languages translated and retranslated, etc.

    Why should I follow your religion if the source is corrupt? How would I ever know what was political, what was Telephone, what was really advocated by my god?

  • Claire

    So IMAGINE for a moment that my belief in God is a myth. Then I suppose that when I die I will be in exactly the same position as any good little atheist. And. I might add, there will be no regret on my behalf for the path that I have chosen for my life.

    Of course, you will have wasted the only life you will ever have by living according to a great big lie. Now that’s something I’m not willing to risk. There’s lots of real good I can do in the world if I don’t waste my time and energy worrying about, oh, say, other people’s sex lives, or how to convince science teachers to teach myths, or how it’s my moral duty to undermine the constitution.

  • Sagan

    Hi Sagan,
    You seem so confident that you have everything figured out. One way or the other, I hope you can see the terribleness of war and famine and suffering. Whether you believe myths are a sham to control you or not, are you happy that people are starving or dying over the control of energy resources?

    HUH?

    Well to answer that side road topic. It is the supernatural believer in the whitehouse that has started and feed this war not an ATHEIST.

    This fools war has nothing but myth driving it. The endless lies keep it going.

    Most of the killing there is one moslim group killing the other over myth technacalities and oil wealth. It has nothing to do with freethinking or reality.

    It will not end because it is needed to feed the myth agenda of the US government leaders.

    Bush is a preacher not a leader. This war like all the rest are based on lies and stupidity. And you Can’t FIX Stupid!

    It is not the evil atheists who are killing or world, it is the greedy theists.

    The only working population control we have is war. And it is the only mythic sactioned method approved by our theistic government.

    read Daniel Quinns books . He has the blueprint of what humanity has is and will be doing to our planet.

    Programs and myths do not make positive changes for humanity,

    they are just more tools used to promote the stupidity.

    Sagan

    If the gods are so smart, then why do we have to pray to them to make them do anything? Our gods are as stupid as those who believe in them.

    Life is not a supernatural Eternity test.

    There is nor more reason to believe in an afterlife, then there is to believe in a before life. both are dumb ideas.

    I can imagine a better day for humanity. Can you? You seem intolerant of people who practice religions, yet would you wish tolerance from those same people for your non-belief?

    Here is what I am proposing:
    http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/1835

    I encourage you to come up with better solutions to ending war, intolerance, genocide, environmental degradation, etc. (all the man-made suffering).

    Kind regards,
    Geoff

  • Sagan

    Bahá’í Faith

    just more mythic BS. More money to be made my the myth makers and more mind control to add to the mix of myths.

    Sigh.

    Read the childs book Dumbo my Disney… message is … believe in yourself.and think for yourself.

    hear the song… IMAGINE … and IMAGINE with me.

    Sagan

  • Sagan

    If god belief is so important for the survial of life, then why don’t other species of animals on this planet have gods and bible rule books?

    Sagan

    Life is not a supernatural eternity test. Imagine THAT!

  • Sagan

    The best thing about being an atheist is you don’t have to practice “IT”.

    you just think for yourself. You don’t need a rule book to do that. Just the courage to SAY NO to the cultural mythic BS.

    The christian bible is a joke book.

    Ask Joseph Atwill…..at amazon.com

    Sagan

    Life is not a supernatual eternity test.

  • http://blog.myspace.com/opticecho geoffrey richards

    Hi Jen and Sagan,
    I really am not interested in converting either of you into ‘believers’ of one faith or belief system. What i am really interested in is helping humans get over the devastations of war, genocide, intolerance, actions based in ignorance in general. I understand a lot of people are intolerant of ‘atheists.’ I am not, and encourage you and everyone to continue to learn and question the nature of ‘reality,’ and you may very well stay atheists. I really am not concerned.

    Also, I’m guessing most of you accept Newtonian physics has pretty much been proven? So you accept that an action has a reaction? Would you be interested to learn that the Sanskrit word for action is “karma?” Is it possible to understand an action without it’s reaction?

    We could certainly go back and forth with debates about ‘theism’ or ‘atheism’ forever, but I am more interested in coming up with real, tangible solutions to that which ails the world. Would anyone care to address the solution I am proposing at the link I previously provided?

    (here it is again: http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/1835 )

    If you are interested in reading other conversations I have had with others about some of the same stuff we are talking about, please visit here:

    http://aguyinthepew.blogspot.com/2007/07/faith-reason-and-science-part-x-some.html

    Kind regards,
    Geoffrey

  • Dan

    Hey Jen…

    How ’bout it now?

  • Shannon Morris

    There are LOTS of Atheists around and about, and we are (thankfully!) becoming more bold about admitting it. That is why I can come in here and put my name on this and openly admit “I AM A PROUD ATHEIST AND DON’T BELIEVE IN ‘god’”