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	<title>Comments on: Mormons No More!</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/16/mormons-no-more/#comment-349240</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know Moromons were so bad.  I don&#039;t think they are.  What they do seems annoying, but they do it out of duty and sometimes love.  I always chuckle when I see other Christians talk bad of Mormons.  If they could only see outside their own bubble they might see that they are seen in a similar light by many non-religious people.  Oh well, have fun with your bigotry.  To each their own form I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know Moromons were so bad.  I don&#8217;t think they are.  What they do seems annoying, but they do it out of duty and sometimes love.  I always chuckle when I see other Christians talk bad of Mormons.  If they could only see outside their own bubble they might see that they are seen in a similar light by many non-religious people.  Oh well, have fun with your bigotry.  To each their own form I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: howard rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>howard rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been an inactive &quot;member&quot; for 35 years.  fortunatly I have moved many times and they seem to have lost me. YEA!! A couple missionaries knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago, just out tracking...I bet they wished they had&#039;nt.  I am not all that concerned about getting my name off their records,since they really never take it off.  Poor insecure bunch!  Enjoyed all the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been an inactive &#8220;member&#8221; for 35 years.  fortunatly I have moved many times and they seem to have lost me. YEA!! A couple missionaries knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago, just out tracking&#8230;I bet they wished they had&#8217;nt.  I am not all that concerned about getting my name off their records,since they really never take it off.  Poor insecure bunch!  Enjoyed all the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Patience of an Atheist: Update &#124; Atheism is Good</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/16/mormons-no-more/#comment-74092</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; The Patience of an Atheist: Update &#124; Atheism is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to all those who have commented on and socially bookmarked the previous article. Thanks also to the FriendlyAtheist for writing a blog post about the ridiculous lengths the local authorities have taken to action our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to all those who have commented on and socially bookmarked the previous article. Thanks also to the FriendlyAtheist for writing a blog post about the ridiculous lengths the local authorities have taken to action our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chalkley » Atheism is Good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chalkley » Atheism is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put Jonathan :)

Tao,

Plus they have a lawful obligation too to remove the records if requested to do so. So not doing isn&#039;t acceptable :)

The issue is both. Considering we asked for no contact and they ignored it initially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put Jonathan <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tao,</p>
<p>Plus they have a lawful obligation too to remove the records if requested to do so. So not doing isn&#8217;t acceptable <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The issue is both. Considering we asked for no contact and they ignored it initially.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tao Jones,

For the Mormon church, it basically boils down to what you say: a sexier figure. Mormons love to ponder on how fast their church is growing. It&#039;s seen as a sign of divine backing, even though other faiths have grown faster during recent years.

The church currently claims 12 million members even though some say as few as 4 million attend once during a given month. Of course this could probably also be said of the Roman Catholic church where weekly attendance at mass isn&#039;t really part of the average Catholic&#039;s experience.

For the Mormon people, a name on the records is also important because it means that they are responsible for the welfare of that person. They believe God will hold them accountable if they didn&#039;t perform their due diligence in helping that person to return to God. Hence the harassment.

Beyond ending the harassment, getting your name off of a religion&#039;s records has the salutary effect of showing how faithless our society really is. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tao Jones,</p>
<p>For the Mormon church, it basically boils down to what you say: a sexier figure. Mormons love to ponder on how fast their church is growing. It&#8217;s seen as a sign of divine backing, even though other faiths have grown faster during recent years.</p>
<p>The church currently claims 12 million members even though some say as few as 4 million attend once during a given month. Of course this could probably also be said of the Roman Catholic church where weekly attendance at mass isn&#8217;t really part of the average Catholic&#8217;s experience.</p>
<p>For the Mormon people, a name on the records is also important because it means that they are responsible for the welfare of that person. They believe God will hold them accountable if they didn&#8217;t perform their due diligence in helping that person to return to God. Hence the harassment.</p>
<p>Beyond ending the harassment, getting your name off of a religion&#8217;s records has the salutary effect of showing how faithless our society really is. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tao Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/16/mormons-no-more/#comment-62882</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, sorry.  I still don&#039;t fully get it.

What is the benefit for LDS to have an inflated membership figure?  So they have a sexier figure (heh heh) while trying to gain new converts?  It&#039;s not like they get tax dollars based on how many members they have, right?  

If they are harassing ex-members, that seems to be a different issue since they could go right on harassing someone if they were determined to do so, regardless of whether or not they were still on the books.  If they stopped the harassment but left your name in the register, would that be an acceptable solution?  

So is the issue being on the books or the harassment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, sorry.  I still don&#8217;t fully get it.</p>
<p>What is the benefit for LDS to have an inflated membership figure?  So they have a sexier figure (heh heh) while trying to gain new converts?  It&#8217;s not like they get tax dollars based on how many members they have, right?  </p>
<p>If they are harassing ex-members, that seems to be a different issue since they could go right on harassing someone if they were determined to do so, regardless of whether or not they were still on the books.  If they stopped the harassment but left your name in the register, would that be an acceptable solution?  </p>
<p>So is the issue being on the books or the harassment?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(This is, of course, assuming that the list is public.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm.  It may not be considered public if the list can only be read through magic spectacles while sticking your face into a hat.  Andrew and Lauren might get better results if they could be satisfied with their names being crossed out with a Magic Marker.  There&#039;s at least magic in the name.  On the other hand the idea of suing the LDS Church for Defamation of Soul or False Salvation sounds good.  How about willful infliction of beatitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(This is, of course, assuming that the list is public.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm.  It may not be considered public if the list can only be read through magic spectacles while sticking your face into a hat.  Andrew and Lauren might get better results if they could be satisfied with their names being crossed out with a Magic Marker.  There&#8217;s at least magic in the name.  On the other hand the idea of suing the LDS Church for Defamation of Soul or False Salvation sounds good.  How about willful infliction of beatitude?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this happend to a friend of mine who left Mormonism. as far as I know, he&#039;s still not off the list. he gave up trying, but he moved across town and didn&#039;t leave a forwarding address. they kept coming to his home and bugging him, and he moved to get away from them. it was ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this happend to a friend of mine who left Mormonism. as far as I know, he&#8217;s still not off the list. he gave up trying, but he moved across town and didn&#8217;t leave a forwarding address. they kept coming to his home and bugging him, and he moved to get away from them. it was ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andrew and Lauren should inform the LDS church, in writing, that they consider the church&#039;s claim to their membership to be defamation of character. (It would certainly damage my reputation if people thought I were a Mormon, anyway. People would think I&#039;m nuts!) If the Mormons persist in listing them as members, Andrew and Lauren should sue the frilly magical underpants off those creeps for libel. (This is, of course, assuming that the list is public.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andrew and Lauren should inform the LDS church, in writing, that they consider the church&#8217;s claim to their membership to be defamation of character. (It would certainly damage my reputation if people thought I were a Mormon, anyway. People would think I&#8217;m nuts!) If the Mormons persist in listing them as members, Andrew and Lauren should sue the frilly magical underpants off those creeps for libel. (This is, of course, assuming that the list is public.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard Wade: &quot;If they are written on papyrus or parchment with ink made from pine soot and donkey skin gelatin, there are problems with erasing the names...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;This&lt;/em&gt; is the reason I will never read this blog again...

...while taking a sip of coffee.

I&#039;m still on the rolls myself; baptized at 8yrs of age (the &quot;age of accountability&quot;...yeah, right), and my parents left the LDS church a couple of years after that. I don&#039;t get any more LDS missionaries than I do JW&#039;s at the door, so I haven&#039;t bothered to go through the process of removing my name from the heavenly parchment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Richard Wade: &#8220;If they are written on papyrus or parchment with ink made from pine soot and donkey skin gelatin, there are problems with erasing the names&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><em>This</em> is the reason I will never read this blog again&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;while taking a sip of coffee.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still on the rolls myself; baptized at 8yrs of age (the &#8220;age of accountability&#8221;&#8230;yeah, right), and my parents left the LDS church a couple of years after that. I don&#8217;t get any more LDS missionaries than I do JW&#8217;s at the door, so I haven&#8217;t bothered to go through the process of removing my name from the heavenly parchment.</p>
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