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		<title>By: Stalin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-64457</link>
		<dc:creator>Stalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrades,

We suggest atheist peoples consider winning tactics used in Hungarian (1945) vote to become communist:

Loading up school children on vehicle.

Taking them to all towns across mother country.

Having them vote in election.

Repeat until winning of vote.  Then shoot anyone that is not liking system they are voted for.

Of course since commissar Gor has inventing web, this can be done more easy by clicking vote with spider script!  Voting are like farting -- the more you are doing it the better you are feeling!

See!  Godless people can having morality!  (Because they are defining what is moral, as it should be!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrades,</p>
<p>We suggest atheist peoples consider winning tactics used in Hungarian (1945) vote to become communist:</p>
<p>Loading up school children on vehicle.</p>
<p>Taking them to all towns across mother country.</p>
<p>Having them vote in election.</p>
<p>Repeat until winning of vote.  Then shoot anyone that is not liking system they are voted for.</p>
<p>Of course since commissar Gor has inventing web, this can be done more easy by clicking vote with spider script!  Voting are like farting &#8212; the more you are doing it the better you are feeling!</p>
<p>See!  Godless people can having morality!  (Because they are defining what is moral, as it should be!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-64295</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, how many proved how stupid they are by voting in a poll classifying atheism as a &quot;religion.&quot;  Or is this really some Freudian concession that atheism has such a predictably rigid belief system without a &quot;god&quot; that it really is religion-enuf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, how many proved how stupid they are by voting in a poll classifying atheism as a &#8220;religion.&#8221;  Or is this really some Freudian concession that atheism has such a predictably rigid belief system without a &#8220;god&#8221; that it really is religion-enuf?</p>
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		<title>By: jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-64098</link>
		<dc:creator>jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sheesh people, get a life would ya.  sitting around all day trying to skew polls?  certainly there are better things more worthy of your time here?

regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sheesh people, get a life would ya.  sitting around all day trying to skew polls?  certainly there are better things more worthy of your time here?</p>
<p>regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Frank2941</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-64057</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank2941</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was it determined that a &quot;cult-like&quot; (whatever that is) religion canot be Christian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was it determined that a &#8220;cult-like&#8221; (whatever that is) religion canot be Christian?</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-64034</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I find JWs to be cult-like too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I find JWs to be cult-like too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-63973</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;With so many denominations, sects and cults coming out of the same book it’s hard to keep track.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, denominations, sects and cults don&#039;t come out of books, they come out of previous religions, denominations, sects and cults.

&lt;i&gt;the Mormons (as truly bizarre as their religion might be) do consider Christ to be God, so Mormons rightly are considered Christian.)&lt;/i&gt;

However, they do not believe in the Trinity, and they believe Jesus is the son of God the Father in a literal, biological sense (in Mormon theology, the Father is corporeal and has a human form, and literally married Mary and engaged in sexual relations with her), so they rightly are considered to be non-Christians -- at least in the stricter, historical and theological sense.

It is, of course, quite mistaken to call atheism a &quot;religion,&quot; since &quot;religion&quot; is essentially about forging and maintaining a relationship between God (or gods) and man, whereas atheists believe there are no gods (or don&#039;t believe there are gods) with whom man can have a relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>With so many denominations, sects and cults coming out of the same book it’s hard to keep track.</i></p>
<p>Actually, denominations, sects and cults don&#8217;t come out of books, they come out of previous religions, denominations, sects and cults.</p>
<p><i>the Mormons (as truly bizarre as their religion might be) do consider Christ to be God, so Mormons rightly are considered Christian.)</i></p>
<p>However, they do not believe in the Trinity, and they believe Jesus is the son of God the Father in a literal, biological sense (in Mormon theology, the Father is corporeal and has a human form, and literally married Mary and engaged in sexual relations with her), so they rightly are considered to be non-Christians &#8212; at least in the stricter, historical and theological sense.</p>
<p>It is, of course, quite mistaken to call atheism a &#8220;religion,&#8221; since &#8220;religion&#8221; is essentially about forging and maintaining a relationship between God (or gods) and man, whereas atheists believe there are no gods (or don&#8217;t believe there are gods) with whom man can have a relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-63933</link>
		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mormons are Christians. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not. Look it up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I did.  That reliable source of information that is never, ever wrong tells me the following:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Jehovah’s Witnesses are an international religion that rejects much of modern mainstream Christianity in favour of what they believe is a restored form of first-century Christianity&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses

I also have a couple of friends (one raised in that religion and one who converted) who are Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses (and defy their church by still speaking to me) who consider themselves to be followers of the teachings of Christ.  While they reject much of the teachings of the modern church they are still Christians.  With so many denominations, sects and cults coming out of the same book it&#039;s hard to keep track.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mormons are Christians. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not. Look it up.</p></blockquote>
<p>I did.  That reliable source of information that is never, ever wrong tells me the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jehovah’s Witnesses are an international religion that rejects much of modern mainstream Christianity in favour of what they believe is a restored form of first-century Christianity</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses</a></p>
<p>I also have a couple of friends (one raised in that religion and one who converted) who are Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses (and defy their church by still speaking to me) who consider themselves to be followers of the teachings of Christ.  While they reject much of the teachings of the modern church they are still Christians.  With so many denominations, sects and cults coming out of the same book it&#8217;s hard to keep track.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WadeStar</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/08/20/lets-skew-a-vote/#comment-63901</link>
		<dc:creator>WadeStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny that so many people are upset that the would break out the Jehovah’s Witnesses from Christians. As someone already pointed out, Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses are not Christians so the breakout was correct. Why would someone complain about this before even taking the trouble to look it up.

(I think the crux of the matter is that they do not believe Christ is God and, as a counter example, the Mormans (as truly bizarre as their religion might be) do consider Christ to be God, so Mormans rightly are considered Christian.)

Along the same line, I also find it odd that people are annoyed that some Catholics don&#039;t consider themselves Christians. It seems reasonable to include them as Christians but, then again, it is also reasonable for a Catholic to consider themself NOT a Christian.

At one point, followers of Christ were all Catholic. During the Reformation many sects, who still believed Christ was God, broke off and calling them &#039;Christain&#039;, to distinguish them from Catholic, makes sense. It makes sense for a Catholic to distinguish themself from being Christian by insisting they are correctly called Catholic.

However, the odd part is that other would be annoyed when they make this distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny that so many people are upset that the would break out the Jehovah’s Witnesses from Christians. As someone already pointed out, Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses are not Christians so the breakout was correct. Why would someone complain about this before even taking the trouble to look it up.</p>
<p>(I think the crux of the matter is that they do not believe Christ is God and, as a counter example, the Mormans (as truly bizarre as their religion might be) do consider Christ to be God, so Mormans rightly are considered Christian.)</p>
<p>Along the same line, I also find it odd that people are annoyed that some Catholics don&#8217;t consider themselves Christians. It seems reasonable to include them as Christians but, then again, it is also reasonable for a Catholic to consider themself NOT a Christian.</p>
<p>At one point, followers of Christ were all Catholic. During the Reformation many sects, who still believed Christ was God, broke off and calling them &#8216;Christain&#8217;, to distinguish them from Catholic, makes sense. It makes sense for a Catholic to distinguish themself from being Christian by insisting they are correctly called Catholic.</p>
<p>However, the odd part is that other would be annoyed when they make this distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Metropolitan is an Archbishop, a bishop with the right to consecrate the other bishops in his province.

And although Mormons call themselves Christian, their theology is about as Christian as Jehovah&#039;s Witness theology.  In broader sense of the term &quot;Christian,&quot; one might call them that, but in a more precise sense they would not be, since they do not adhere to the Niceno-Constantinopolitan and Chalcedonian creeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Metropolitan is an Archbishop, a bishop with the right to consecrate the other bishops in his province.</p>
<p>And although Mormons call themselves Christian, their theology is about as Christian as Jehovah&#8217;s Witness theology.  In broader sense of the term &#8220;Christian,&#8221; one might call them that, but in a more precise sense they would not be, since they do not adhere to the Niceno-Constantinopolitan and Chalcedonian creeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne Butler,
&lt;blockquote&gt;A Christian is anyone who has been baptized. It can be performed by a priest, a layman, a heathen, a Metropolitan, a Pope or your local rabbi. If you mean it you are a Christian.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with you that if they mean it, how can anyone else claim to know better and say they&#039;re not?  Christians calling other Christians &quot;not real Christians&quot; is bizarre to me.  Whenever someone says they are a Christian, I tend to believe them.  Whenever someone who says they are a Christian claims that someone else who says they are a Christian is indeed not really a Christian, I tend to think there must be petty jealosy, bickering, turf battles and bigotry going on.

Not that I mind all that going on.

What the heck is a Metropolitan?  I&#039;ve heard that as an adjective, but not a noun.  Do you mean someone who lives in a big city?  Can a Suburban (aka a suburbanite) also perform baptism?  How about a Ruralarian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Butler,</p>
<blockquote><p>A Christian is anyone who has been baptized. It can be performed by a priest, a layman, a heathen, a Metropolitan, a Pope or your local rabbi. If you mean it you are a Christian.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with you that if they mean it, how can anyone else claim to know better and say they&#8217;re not?  Christians calling other Christians &#8220;not real Christians&#8221; is bizarre to me.  Whenever someone says they are a Christian, I tend to believe them.  Whenever someone who says they are a Christian claims that someone else who says they are a Christian is indeed not really a Christian, I tend to think there must be petty jealosy, bickering, turf battles and bigotry going on.</p>
<p>Not that I mind all that going on.</p>
<p>What the heck is a Metropolitan?  I&#8217;ve heard that as an adjective, but not a noun.  Do you mean someone who lives in a big city?  Can a Suburban (aka a suburbanite) also perform baptism?  How about a Ruralarian?</p>
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