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Jessica Hagy nails it again:
Though not specifically a humanist or someone with much interest in humanism specifically, I’m endlessly unhappy that more of the “secularism” circle isn’t in that “A” area, and that when people like Michael Shermer try to advocate for this, they get shouted down and called “appeasers,” despite the fact that they are not, as far as I can tell, advocating being less forthright or critical of religious claims or ideas.
That’s about how I see it, but in reality, it seems to me there are more Secularist in the Humanism area. Not that it matters to me, but it seems to me that those who are truly humanistic fall squarely in the middle. Mind you that is my perception, but don’t ask me to describe what the middle is. I’m not sure I could if I tried.
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I agree with Mriana, but I think it also depends on how you define “secularism”-as Sam Harris points out, secularism as dogma wouldn’t be good either. Secularism as they have it in Europe is a good thing. As for your link to RRS “shouting people down”, that doesn’t surprise me. I’ve seen them go after other atheists who don’t agree with them too, telling them they are not “atheist enough”. Hmm, sounds almost like some churches…..
Bad: A Venn diagram doesn’t have any quantitative information in it. They just show the relationships between overlapping sets of data.
Good point dennis, I guess I was projecting. Still, a Venn does show that some portion of secularism is outside of the golden rule, which is always too bad.
Of course, as I understand secularism, a religious person can be a secularist too: I see it as the idea of keeping civil society/government separate from the religious convictions of the citizens themselves: a value which, by and large, many religious people have supported and would never exist or have thrived in the US without the support of many many religious people..
The RSS aren’t humanists and don’t follow the ethic of reciprocity, they’re morally bankrupt, and Brian Sapient has himself killed many kittens. People who disagree with Michael Shermer are immoral animals who don’t follow the golden rule. Anyone who doesn’t give religion the unique respect it requires are evil, evil people that need to be whined about in the comments of every post, even when it’s unrelated.
Bad: true, that. I suppose there can be religious, secular humanists. They’re not too common, though, and that’s mainly because many religionists seem to think that humanism is amoral, not because secular religionism is uncommon.
Anyone who doesn’t give religion the unique respect it requires are evil, evil people that need to be whined about in the comments of every post, even when it’s unrelated.
Religion needs to be given respect? This is a new one on me. I guess that makes me an evil person, because I’m always griping about Fundamentalists and their dogmas. Oh well. Arm-a-geddon (as in I ma geddon) outten here, then.
Right, cause every single post on here has been about the RSS-didn’t realize 2 was all of them. No one said this automatically makes RSS bad, just that they don’t agree with them. Apparently everyone who doesn’t agree with RSS (and there are plenty of other non-theists who don’t) is now giving religion unique respect? If one then the other right? You’re either with them or against them? It can’t be that they simply don’t agree, period? You just can’t stand any views that don’t agree with yours can you?
AJ: Give it a rest. Hysterically overreacting and exaggerating things is not exactly a charming personality trait, nor is it a path to convincing rational arguments. And it sort of more proves my point than it accurately or effectively ridicules it.
Oh, so you weren’t implying that Atheists you disagree with fall outside the area marked “A”? This must have been a great misunderstanding. I don’t know how I could have misinterpreted your comments so greatly. It must be my hysterical nature, making me overreact.
I suppose there can be religious, secular humanists.
Ummm…yup. I date one. Not ALL religious people are horribly twisted fundies…
Ummm…yup. I date one. Not ALL religious people are horribly twisted fundies
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