I’m afraid your grandfather had the science all wrong. Black folks descended from Ham, the third of Noah’s sons, and they were cursed to be slaves on account of the fact that Ham had seen Noah drunk and naked, as I recall. That fact is pretty much the foundation stone of Southern Baptists. Son Shem was the progenitor of the Jews and Japheth of the gentiles (I can’t believe I remember all this). That was the lot of his sons, so there were also no Asians. Possibly Asians aren’t actually human beings, which might explain where Cain found his wife. Research like this is critical to the scientific method.

mike

Now on to Karen:

Yes, you’re a regular Gary Kasparov taking on 30 chess matches at a time; yes, knocking down adversaries one-by-one, one arm tied behind your back, amazed at your own brilliance, and even more amazed that others fail to recognize it! “Ah, will they ever see the light; will they never think as I do—logically?!”

ROTFL! Thanks, Darryl.

I did feel something like a bowling pin there for a second: “Now on to Karen” Rumble, rumble, rumble … THUNK!

I know you claim that you have proposed “nothing” but if you examine what I have writen you’ll realize all I’ve done is ask people about their OWN assertions. That’s it.

Yeah, you’ve asked but instead of listening to their answers, you come back in full attack mode with responses like, “IS? How do you define IS?”

Your introduction just above is the first time you’ve told us anything at all about yourself personally. Yet you’ve been here quite a few weeks, IIRC. That’s too bad.

You seem to be looking to provoke people into philosophical debates, as you have with Tim on the other thread, and that’s okay. But most of us here don’t have the time nor the stomach for that, as Siamang points out. His suggestion that you try the IIDB is a good one. That venue would likely suit your interest level better.

Siamang just left

Yes, sorry for that, but I do have life activities beyond the internets.

Reading back the rest of this discussion, it seemed to have gotten along fine without me. Or as well as could have been expected, given the direction it had taken before I left.

Darryl. What books would you propose I read?

I’ll jump in here and recommend actually reading “The God Delusion” if you want your criticism of it to find purchase.

One thought in parting, if you want a really good “debate an atheist” forum, I highly recommend the Internet Infidels board. It’s been there, done that for me and a few of us here… but bring your “A game”, because they’d wipe the floor with you if you pulled some of the stuff you pulled in this thread. For extra fun, try a moderated debate, where the rules are strict, and the terms of argument are very clearly defined, and a winner shown. Don’t worry, they’ve also got Christian moderators, so the deck isn’t stacked against you.

Most of us who used to hang there have left it, in search of a more sharing conversation. If you tire of the debate there, come back here and let’s have the type of conversation that this place was made for. Leave the arguing to the arguers.

Mriana I asked what you meant by reason becuase I don’t know what you mean. I think I know but the word has been employed in many different ways’ especially here. I’m speaking right now with a person on another post on this site, that believes dogs employ “logic” or “reason” and that balls employ reason as well. I would not consider what dogs do as “reasoning”, but he does. So while you may consider the question pedantic or juvenile the first part of a good discussion is to define your terms.

As to the enlightenment you may want to read up on the works of Immanual Kant because he instituted a philosophical shift away from “objective” reasoning towards a paradigmatic or “subjective” reasoning world view. His work is usually discussed in philosophy 101 in college so I’m pretty sure you should have heard about him.

Once again I appologize for sounding like kaspirov or some other mental giant. I merely intended to shift the conversation towards Karen.

Mriana thanks for at least honoring me with responses to my queries that’s more than Siamang or Darryl have done. Siamang just left and Darryl hops in when its convienant or when he has something smug to say.

Oh and i don’t mean to be anamyous you can contact me at stonewall1012@netzero.com. I am 33, I live in indiana and am married with three children.

I would also recommend a book on the Enlightenment era too, maybe even read some of the works by Thomas Jeffereson, Mary Wollstonecraft, Percy Shelly, and others of that time. Then again, even they maybe over your head too.

I appologize for misspelling your name.
Darryl. What books would you propose I read?
Lastly who said I wasn’t learning anything? I’ve learned alot about Mriana, and you as well Darryl. Your compassionate and understanding attitude has certainly opened my eyes to the how consistant you all are with your belief system.

Thanks

mike