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	<title>Comments on: Sam Harris&#8217; Speech at the Atheist Alliance International Convention</title>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; HNN Interviews Philip Pullman</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-97706</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; HNN Interviews Philip Pullman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a similar answer to the one given by Sam Harris, who does not identify as an atheist despite being one of the leading advocates of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Chicken Shit Atheists</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-80782</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Chicken Shit Atheists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also includes discussion with all those authors (including Sam Harris) on Harris&#8217; speech where he suggested doing away with the atheist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Van Esbroeck</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-77104</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Van Esbroeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this encouraging that Sam Harris, nolonger sees all religions in the same light. Here there is at least the possilbity of co-operation with religions to address the greatest dangers.

If the universe is likely to be &quot;stranger than we can imagine&quot;, then we shouldn&#039;t get too worked up about &quot;strange or silly&quot; religious myths that are a record of the strangest things we have been able to imagine so far.  As long we don&#039;t claim that the myths should be taken as litteral truth.  

Rather than asking science to &quot;destroy religion&quot;, we should ask science to study it.  For the more destructive and dangerous we claim religion is, the more difficult it is to explain its persistance, unless it also has significant points on the plus side.  If religions have under evolutionary pressure evolved to be relatively harmless, then it is much easier to account for the prevalence of religion in the human species.

While it may be popular wisdom, that religion causes most war, and senseless suffering, it is not a claim that has much science behind it.  The four year war in Gombe, seems to indicate that our capacity for war and violence, predates religion.  The focus must be in getting rid of stupidity where ever we find it, and not in proving that religion in every imaginable  form is nothing but stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this encouraging that Sam Harris, nolonger sees all religions in the same light. Here there is at least the possilbity of co-operation with religions to address the greatest dangers.</p>
<p>If the universe is likely to be &#8220;stranger than we can imagine&#8221;, then we shouldn&#8217;t get too worked up about &#8220;strange or silly&#8221; religious myths that are a record of the strangest things we have been able to imagine so far.  As long we don&#8217;t claim that the myths should be taken as litteral truth.  </p>
<p>Rather than asking science to &#8220;destroy religion&#8221;, we should ask science to study it.  For the more destructive and dangerous we claim religion is, the more difficult it is to explain its persistance, unless it also has significant points on the plus side.  If religions have under evolutionary pressure evolved to be relatively harmless, then it is much easier to account for the prevalence of religion in the human species.</p>
<p>While it may be popular wisdom, that religion causes most war, and senseless suffering, it is not a claim that has much science behind it.  The four year war in Gombe, seems to indicate that our capacity for war and violence, predates religion.  The focus must be in getting rid of stupidity where ever we find it, and not in proving that religion in every imaginable  form is nothing but stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: PrimateInRepose</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-75512</link>
		<dc:creator>PrimateInRepose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl for long long time atheists have been hiding, which is the same thing as refusing to be identified as an atheist.  How do you feel that policy has worked out for 2,007 years.

I think its gone rather badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl for long long time atheists have been hiding, which is the same thing as refusing to be identified as an atheist.  How do you feel that policy has worked out for 2,007 years.</p>
<p>I think its gone rather badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Harris.</description>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-75465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems Sam Harris feels the need to explain himself now that he has received criticism for his speech:  http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-my-fellow-atheists/

I still don&#039;t agree with him.  However, I do agree the first statement he mentions does sound better and I would not do the second one.  The second one serves no purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems Sam Harris feels the need to explain himself now that he has received criticism for his speech:  <a href="http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-my-fellow-atheists/" rel="nofollow">http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-my-fellow-atheists/</a></p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t agree with him.  However, I do agree the first statement he mentions does sound better and I would not do the second one.  The second one serves no purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; PZ Myers&#8217; Response to Sam Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-74512</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; PZ Myers&#8217; Response to Sam Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now thinking that Sam Harris missed a golden opportunity to make a much more forceful condemnation of atheists (while still supporting what we all do) by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing that makes me think something bad happened, some where he mentioned something about Spong having 13 death threats (which he had to take seriously) all from Christians.  I seriously think something scared Harris, which he is not openly saying, but I can&#039;t prove it.  (I&#039;m still looking for where he mentioned Spong and death threats.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing that makes me think something bad happened, some where he mentioned something about Spong having 13 death threats (which he had to take seriously) all from Christians.  I seriously think something scared Harris, which he is not openly saying, but I can&#8217;t prove it.  (I&#8217;m still looking for where he mentioned Spong and death threats.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My latest comment under Ellen&#039;s thread fits here too, but I&#039;m not going to repeat it.

I found it interesting that Harris mentioned Missouri in the Washington Post.  Could it be he&#039;s been to MO, used the word atheist, and then got scared out of using it due to the Religious Reich here?  Jackson County is further north of me, but they are just as bad there as they are here.  They are a Holy Horror sometimes.  :(

I suggest before contemplating what Harris says about not using the words atheist, Humanist, Freethinker, etc.  Consider that he mentions Jackson County Missouri in this mess.  It is my guess something happened to scare him into keeping quiet.  I wonder if he would honestly and openly discuss that with us?

Here it is:

&lt;blockquote&gt;First, these differences make all religions look contingent, and therefore silly. Consider the unique features of Mormonism, which may have some relevance in the next Presidential election. Mormonism, it seems to me, is—objectively—just a little more idiotic than Christianity is. It has to be: because it is Christianity plus some very stupid ideas. For instance, the Mormons think Jesus is going to return to earth and administer his Thousand years of Peace, at least part of the time, from the state of Missouri. Why does this make Mormonism less likely to be true than Christianity? Because whatever probability you assign to Jesus’ coming back, you have to assign a lesser probability to his coming back and &lt;b&gt;keeping a summer home in Jackson County, Missouri.&lt;/b&gt; If Mitt Romney wants to be the next President of the United States, he should be made to feel the burden of our incredulity. We can make common cause with our Christian brothers and sisters on this point. Just what does the man believe? The world should know. And it is almost guaranteed to be embarrassing even to most people who believe in the biblical God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With everything he said about Civil Rights, the KKK, Jackson County MO, and alike, I would consider his words suspect of something that could have happened in this area and he&#039;s been scared out of using the word.  It would not surprise me a bit.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My latest comment under Ellen&#8217;s thread fits here too, but I&#8217;m not going to repeat it.</p>
<p>I found it interesting that Harris mentioned Missouri in the Washington Post.  Could it be he&#8217;s been to MO, used the word atheist, and then got scared out of using it due to the Religious Reich here?  Jackson County is further north of me, but they are just as bad there as they are here.  They are a Holy Horror sometimes.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I suggest before contemplating what Harris says about not using the words atheist, Humanist, Freethinker, etc.  Consider that he mentions Jackson County Missouri in this mess.  It is my guess something happened to scare him into keeping quiet.  I wonder if he would honestly and openly discuss that with us?</p>
<p>Here it is:</p>
<blockquote><p>First, these differences make all religions look contingent, and therefore silly. Consider the unique features of Mormonism, which may have some relevance in the next Presidential election. Mormonism, it seems to me, is—objectively—just a little more idiotic than Christianity is. It has to be: because it is Christianity plus some very stupid ideas. For instance, the Mormons think Jesus is going to return to earth and administer his Thousand years of Peace, at least part of the time, from the state of Missouri. Why does this make Mormonism less likely to be true than Christianity? Because whatever probability you assign to Jesus’ coming back, you have to assign a lesser probability to his coming back and <b>keeping a summer home in Jackson County, Missouri.</b> If Mitt Romney wants to be the next President of the United States, he should be made to feel the burden of our incredulity. We can make common cause with our Christian brothers and sisters on this point. Just what does the man believe? The world should know. And it is almost guaranteed to be embarrassing even to most people who believe in the biblical God.</p></blockquote>
<p>With everything he said about Civil Rights, the KKK, Jackson County MO, and alike, I would consider his words suspect of something that could have happened in this area and he&#8217;s been scared out of using the word.  It would not surprise me a bit.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Ellen Johnson Responds to Sam Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/02/sam-harris-speech-at-the-atheist-alliance-international-convention/#comment-73990</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Ellen Johnson Responds to Sam Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harris said that we should stop using the &#8220;atheist&#8221; label at the Atheist Alliance International [...]</description>
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