any kind of enlightening dialog.

That’s funny, I can remember you refusing to answer questions, constantly switching arguments, and throwing red herrings about. I think the record, it’s all there to read, reflects unfavourably on you, and favourably on others. I would say that you’re not interested in enlightening dialogue at all. I did actually read every word you have written here, I just disagreed, and I think I made a good, honest attempt to clearly explain what I disagree with. I also tried pretty hard to understand you, and gave you plenty of opportunities to explain yourself.

-Jen

From the man who JUST DOESN”T GET that women will always need abortions, and ignoring the fact that I, and other pro-choicers would love to reduce abortions- we just don’t think it is possible to get rid of forever and in every circumstance.

Only for the mothers, it’s surgery they might not need to go through. I would like birth control to be developed to be more effective, sex education to be taught, and for women to have equal rights and empowerment. I don’t think there’s a scientific case for fetal pain, and I don’t think there’s any case at all for embryos and fetuses to be persons with rights.

Can fetuses feel pain? by Stuart W G Derbyshire

ignoring things you don’t want to hear

From the man who JUST DOESN”T GET that women will always need abortions, and ignoring the fact that I, and other pro-choicers would love to reduce abortions- we just don’t think it is possible to get rid of forever and in every circumstance.

-Stephen

Maybe you know a few people with children that take care of, but the number of kids raised by 1 parent or a grandparent because neither parent wants them is staggering. It’s this “I can have sex with no strings attached” mentality that leads to broken homes and abortions.

Abortion would be the solution to parents that don’t want children. It doesn’t lead to broken homes. This seems to be just a campaign against sex. I would say that it’s a “I can have children with no strings attached” mentality.

this “I can have sex with no strings attached” mentality that leads to broken homes

I have never been able to understand the view that a child is punishment for having illicit sex or just for having a condom break. Really, you’d think that having your nose fall off and your brains rot out from tertiary syphillis would be a much more effective deterrent to promiscuity. So why not outlaw treatment for VD?

I see abortion not as a way of taking responsibility for your actions, but as a way of avoiding responsibility.

It’s a lack of taking responsibility.

That is simply an untrue and offensive stereotype of ALL women who get abortions and I wish it would stop. You just can’t make blanket statements like that, Stephen. What if it so happened that when I was married and using birth control that I had ended up pregnant, would you tell me, even though there would be a very high chance I could die and maybe the unborn child too, “Oh you need to take responsibility” and deny me an abortion that could potentially save my life so I could raise my other sons who weren’t that husband’s children, but the previous husband’s who has not taken responsibility for them? Or would you prefer they end up in an ophranage because my second ex wanted nothing to do with them?

See? Your blanket judgement gets a bit ignorant in the view of complexity concerning human beings.

And I think illegitimacy matters because it is a symptom, like abortion, of a bigger problem. Maybe you know a few people with children that take care of, but the number of kids raised by 1 parent or a grandparent because neither parent wants them is staggering. It’s this “I can have sex with no strings attached” mentality that leads to broken homes and abortions. That attitude is one of the root causes of both of those symptoms. It’s a lack of taking responsibility.

Jen said,

October 13, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Abortion will never be unnecessary, as long as birth control fails, women are unable to use or take birth control, women are in abusive relationships, and women just don’t want to have a baby for whatever reason. We can bring down the numbers with proper sex education, with social services and free birth control, but the number is never, ever going to be zero. Ever.

I agree, Jen. Birth control is not 100%, not even tubal ligation. The only thing that is 100% is abstance or having one’s uterus and/or overies removed. There are even some women who cannot take birth control too as well as all the other things you pointed out.