Go to Sunday School!

No, not that one.

This one.

Sunday school for atheists:

An estimated 14% of Americans profess to have no religion, and among 18-to-25-year-olds, the proportion rises to 20%, according to the Institute for Humanist Studies. The lives of these young people would be much easier, adult nonbelievers say, if they learned at an early age how to respond to the God-fearing majority in the U.S.

It would definitely help. So many young atheists live in fear of telling anyone, even close friends, what they believe.

A good friend of mine is featured in the article and she explains the need for this type of “atheist education”:

Bri Kneisley, who sent her son Damian, 10, to Camp Quest Ohio this past summer, welcomes the sense of community these new choices offer him: “He’s a child of atheist parents, and he’s not the only one in the world.”

Kneisley, 26, a graduate student at the University of Missouri, says she realized Damian needed to learn about secularism after a neighbor showed him the Bible. “Damian was quite certain this guy was right and was telling him this amazing truth that I had never shared,” says Kneisley. In most ways a traditional sleep-away camp–her son loved canoeing–Camp Quest also taught Damian critical thinking, world religions and tales of famous freethinkers (an umbrella term for atheists, agnostics and other rationalists) like the black abolitionist Frederick Douglass.

I think the obvious question that non-non-believers might have is: What do you teach at an Atheist Sunday School?

(And, no, the acronym is not lost on me. Ha ha. Very funny. Let’s move on now.)

One Sunday this fall found a dozen children up to age 6 and several parents playing percussion instruments and singing empowering anthems like I’m Unique and Unrepeatable, set to the tune of Ten Little Indians, instead of traditional Sunday-school songs like Jesus Loves Me. Rather than listen to a Bible story, the class read Stone Soup, a secular parable of a traveler who feeds a village by making a stew using one ingredient from each home.

Down the hall in the kitchen, older kids engaged in a Socratic conversation with class leader Bishop about the role persuasion plays in decision-making. He tried to get them to see that people who are coerced into renouncing their beliefs might not actually change their minds but could be acting out of self-preservation–an important lesson for young atheists who may feel pressure to say they believe in God.

It’s a positive piece on atheism in Time magazine!

Not too shabby at all.

Many thanks to Jeninne Lee-St. John, who wrote the article.

The piece also features the picture below (taken by Kathrin Miller) of “Sunday morning at The Children’s Program at the Humanist Community of Palo Alto, California”:

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I’m jealous.

Can someone lend me a child so I can attend these classes?

(via The Freethinker)


[tags]atheist, atheism[/tags]

Indiana’s “In God We Trust” License Plates

In Indiana last year, a law was passed that allowed the Bureau of Motor Vehicles to issue license plates that were stamped with the label “In God We Trust.”

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The law was passed by a vote of 134-2.

Now, that label alone isn’t a problem.

If people want to purchase that specialty plate, with the usual specialty plate cost of $40/year, it is entirely their right to do so.

The problem here is that there is no extra fee added for these plates.

That is likely a state/church violation and the Indiana ACLU is on top of it (PDFs).

There’s also another problem with this:

Indiana has squandered $15 million in administrative costs. And this is the state that had to sell its toll road to make ends meet.

By not charging per plate, Indiana is essentially giving Christians a government-sponsored way to display their faith. Other religions’ followers are not given this opportunity.

You can read more at NoFreeGodPlate.org, a website that further explains the problem.

Better yet, they are collecting pictures of “In God We Trust” cars behaving badly.

Like this one, situated just outside a strip club

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Apparently, there are similar photos just waiting to be taken.

The site was started by Craig Shoemaker and Terre Haute Tribune-Star columnist Stephanie Salter.

You can hear more of the story behind this law and the website on the Freedom From Religion Foundation’s Freethought Radio (mp3; start at the 27:05 mark).


[tags]atheist, atheism, FFRF[/tags]

Out of the Frying Pan…

The Catholic Church is worried because people are leaving the church

That might be a good thing from an atheist perspective except the people are “join[ing] Pentecostal and other evangelical movements” instead.

“We shouldn’t begin by asking ourselves what is wrong with the Pentecostals, but what our own pastoral shortcomings are,” [Cardinal Walter] Kasper told the gathering, noting that such evangelical and charismatic groups count 400 million faithful around the world.

Why are people leaving the Catholic Church?

Where to begin…

Maybe people are sick of seeing the priests raping children. And then seeing the Church look the other way.

Or because the whole notion of the Pope being infallible seems archaic. Then again, so does the idea of having a Pope in general…

Or maybe because they watched a couple hours straight of EWTN. That’ll do the trick every time.

It’s not any better that the people leaving the fold are substituting one set of rituals for another. Evangelical churches often just make things worse. They’re no better when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. They’re the main reason we have such awful sex education in this country as well as so much confusion regarding evolution.

They do have better marketing skills, though. And admittedly superior sermons on the whole — sermons that make you think and question what you’re doing with your life. The potential to do good for other people and the community is there as well, if the pastors are convincing enough…

Perhaps there’s another reason this exodus is even an issue for the Catholic Church.

As submitter infideljoe writes,

Profits must be down.

It’s true. Churches are losing money. Catholic schools are losing students.

If they don’t reverse this trend, they’ll only have God on their side. And something tells me Church leaders wouldn’t be very satisfied with that…


[tags]atheist, atheism[/tags]

Interview on British Radio

This past Saturday, I was interviewed on a show called Unbelievable? airing on Premier Christian Radio in the United Kingdom. The host was Justin Brierley and he had me alongside Tom Price of the Damaris Trust, an “educational charity with a Christian foundation.”

You can listen to the full interview by going here.


[tags]atheist, atheism[/tags]

Skepticism and Credence About Non-Religious Things.

We have had many postings and long discussions about religions, religious beliefs and the political or social effects of religions or religious people. Many commenters have expressed why they disagree with or are skeptical about all those things.

But atheists, skeptics, humanists, freethinkers, whatever we non-god-believers call ourselves have more to our lives than constant controversy with religion. We have opinions, points of view and even beliefs about many other things, and people in general can be inconsistent in the way they choose to hold or reject beliefs. Being skeptical about God doesn’t necessarily mean being skeptical about everything.

There are many things that are popularly believed about which there are controversies over the evidence or lack thereof for either their existence or for their benefit to people.
To list just a few:

UFO’s; Big Foot in all his many incarnations around the world; Astrology; ESP in its many forms; spirits, ghosts or the lingering influence of bygone people; magical woodland creatures; lucky numbers, objects or rituals; reincarnation; sunken civilizations; lake monsters; prehistoric animals in jungles; Feng Shui; influences of crystals or metals worn on the body; faked moon landings; vitamin supplements; herbal supplements; traditional medicine; animals pre-sensing earthquakes; the full moon increasing accidents, crime or general lunacy; special powers used in erecting ancient structures; and hundreds of urban legends.

Taking the premise that it’s okay to be inconsistent, that it’s part of what makes human beings interesting and creative, and making the mutual promise that we won’t make too much fun of each other, what of these or any other controversial things do you believe, lend credence to, consider the strong possibility of, or think “Well, it could be, I guess.”?

C’mon. Don’t be embarrassed. Most of us have inconsistencies. Homogeneity is boring.

Richard

Questions for Atheists: What are you thankful for (and to)?

Hey all! Thanks for welcoming me as a contributor to Hemant’s site. I’m excited to be part of the team. As many of you know I am a Christian pastor that has been participating in the conversations here for over a year now. I have a great respect for atheists, and while I obviously don’t always agree with all your perspectives, I have found that the questions you have raised about my faith have been invaluable to me in refining and improving my own beliefs and (more importantly) my attitudes towards others.

While I’ll be posting here once or twice a week on any variety of topics, one idea I have for a recurring theme is a series of “Questions for Atheists”. Back in May I did an “Ask a Christian Pastor” Q&A series where you all got to ask me questions about my approach to faith. (I’d advise going back and re-reading my answers if you haven’t already. I think you’ll find that I probably don’t fit many of the usual atheist stereotypes of Christians. You can also find out more about me at my blog: Emerging Pensees) Now I’d like to turn the tables, so to speak, and take the opportunity to ask you guys some questions. Many times as I’m reading or pondering things I tend to wonder “what would my atheist friends think about this idea?” I’m interested in learning more about how you view the world, and maybe even offering a little push-back occasionally. :)

However, I feel like I should give a disclaimer. I know many of you have probably encountered Christians who weren’t really interested in your views but were just asking so they could set you up for an evangelistic pitch or to try and win an argument. Let me assure that this is not at all my intent. I have no ulterior motives. I’m not setting you up, or asking leading questions merely to prove a point. I really am genuinely interested in your answers. Please interpret my questions in the same spirit of open, friendly dialogue with which I intend them.

Anyhow, here’s my first question: yesterday was Thanksgiving, which is one of the few major secular holidays in the United States. While the founding of the holiday often does involve a story of Christians fleeing religious persecution in Europe, in truth, one need not have any religious commitments to join in the spirit of thankfulness that this day commemorates. And I think religious and atheists alike can agree that thankfulness is a virtue that all of us would do well to cultivate. But I do have two questions – the first is simple, what are you thankful for? What good things (what we Christians call “blessings”) have been a part of your life this past year? In my family our tradition has been to go around the Thanksgiving table and share our answers to that question together. I’d like us to do that together here too.

But the second question is a little more complicated: who (or what) are you thankful to? Christians tend to thank God for our blessings since we believe that all good things ultimately flow from him (though of course we also give thanks to all the intermediaries along the way too – the people in our lives who are often the direct source of the blessings). Who do atheists thank? Obviously if the blessings come from other people you can thank them, but what about the other things that many of us are also thankful for but which can’t be attributed to particular people? What about things like good health, fortunate financial circumstances, life and liberty and happiness, etc.? Do you thank nature? Circumstances? No one in particular? Or does it even make sense for an atheist to be “thankful” for such things? Perhaps you should simply feel “glad” but not “thankful” per se. I’m just curious how you all think about that. How do you say thanks for those sorts of things?

At any rate, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving and I want you to know that I am personally thankful for this blog community.

Peace,

-Mike Clawson

Fill In the Blanks at the Creation Museum

Some things just beg to be made fun of. Some things need to be made fun of.
So when I looked at the Creation Museum Pics that Hemant posted and I saw this one,
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an exhibit about two kids visiting the museum, (what the heck is that for?) the talk bubbles that are actually there over the two figures gave me an evil idea. Mwohoohoohahaha!

So I put talk and thought bubbles over some of the characters in these other exhibits so you could enjoy filling in the blanks with whatever you think they ought to be saying and thinking. The saying /thinking part is interchangeable and you can ignore or add bubbles as you see fit. Just name the picture and describe who’s saying or thinking what. This isn’t a contest. Let’s just have some good, wholesome fun. Mwohoohoohahaha!

For a closer look at all the original pictures you can click here.
Thanks again to Karolis for the link.
I hope you all have a happy Thanksgiving.
Richard

#1 Here’s Adam, Eve and a dinosaur relaxing in the Garden.
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#2 Two dinos, possibly Deinonychus (plural is Deinonychi) trot past a kid feeding carrots to a squirrel.
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#3 Adam, Eve and the Serpent.
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#4 Looks like Cain talking with God after clobbering Abel.
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#5 Three dudes building the Ark.
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Blog Break

I’m out of town for a few days and probably won’t be posting or moderating comments until Saturday.

So consider this an open thread to discuss whatever appropriate topics you’d like (as long as your comments don’t need to be approved by me).

You can also welcome a new contributor to this site, Mike Clawson!

This is a very brief intro, but Mike is a Christian pastor who has kindly answered your questions and consistently makes insightful comments on this site’s postings. He is a graduate of Wheaton College and is part of the Emerging Church.

Have a great Thanksgiving!

Reading Atheist Books on a Plane

Mojoey had problems on a flight because he had my book in his possession.

So what must it be like when someone carries Christopher Hitchens’ God Is Not Great?

One atheist got on a plane and saw someone reading Hitchens’ book. So he said something to the reader:

I commented on the book saying how much I enjoyed it. The passenger looked a bit stunned when I mentioned this. At first I thought maybe he was fundie doing research on us evil atheist[s]. Later in the flight when I passed him again, he handed me a small piece of paper that had a web address on it…

So many ways this story could go right now… most of them end badly.

What was the web address? Did the reader say anything?

Read the ending to find out.


[tags]atheist, atheism, Houston Church of Freethought[/tags]

A Fresh Look at Mormonism

It never gets old to hear someone discovering a “new” religion for the first time.

Mary Fons, a fantastic actress/writer living in Chicago, knew relatively little about Mormonism. But recently, she has been reading Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer, picking up quite a bit of information in the process. (The story tells the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and focuses on the more fundamental aspects to it.)

She learned, for example, that polygamy hasn’t actually been part of church doctrine since 1890.

But there are still a whole lot of strange beliefs that haven’t gone away…

And while I’m proud of the LDS Church for rejecting polygamy (because it’s just a big ol’ mess of crazy) I can’t say I can make much sense of the religion as a whole. I’m into industriousness, I’m into discipline, I’m all for the go-get-em attitude that the LDS folks seem to embrace, but I just cannot believe that Joseph Smith business.

The angel Moroni revealed these holy gold plates to Smith but never let him take them away from where they were unearthed, of course, so no one but Joe ever saw them. Smith couldn’t read the fancy angelic language on the plates until the angel supplied him with magic glasses. Thank goodness! (The glasses are nowhere to be found, either.) Joseph Smith was a troublemaker before he was a prophet, and though reinvention is real and people can be reformed, I treat “the word of God” that came out of the mouth of a convicted fraud with some reluctance.

I still haven’t gotten to the part about the underwear. I really want to know what’s up with the underwear.

As do we all.

This isn’t an atheist ripping on a religion, by the way. Mary is a theist.

I believe in things other people don’t. I believe in God and pray every day for faith and guidance. I believe that living by spiritual principles (i.e., honesty, willingness, open-mindedness) life can be more beautiful than not living by them. I believe in green tea and I believe in change.

I do not believe in magic glasses.

(I’m not kidding about her being really talented, by the way. I saw her in Too Much Light Makes the Baby Go Blind not too long ago. She was awesome.)

On a side note, after I read her posting, I honestly didn’t care that she believed in God. I know some atheists would have issue with it. But I knew her beliefs weren’t being used to denigrate other people, so they weren’t as much of a problem for me.

At the same time, another part of me wanted to scream out that the idea of magic glasses makes as much sense as believing in God in the first place…

You pick your battles. I pass on ones like this.


[tags]atheist, atheism, Mormon, Jesus, Christian[/tags]