We Win!

Apparently, atheism is “safe and secure” in our public schools, says one misguided letter-to-the-editor writer in the Daily Herald newspaper. She has no idea that separation of church and state is not the same as indoctrination into atheism.

Judging from all the protest surrounding the new moment of silence in Illinois schools, it looks as though Rob and Dawn Sherman have not yet realized the obvious.

They have won. In fact, they won a long time ago.

Every day in public schools across the nation, our children are taught to interpret the world as if God does not exist.

Atheistic beliefs are now the only legal basis permitted for public school policy decisions and curriculum choices. Teachers are only allowed to share opinions and ideas that are compatible with atheism.

As a result, all kinds of foolishness are now welcomed and promoted in our public schools and much true wisdom has been ruled off limits because of its connection to “religion.”

In our stupidity, we believe this is neutrality.

Rob and Dawn, you can relax. The horse left the barn a long time ago. The moment of silence is meaningless. Atheism is safe and secure in our public schools.

Teri Paulson

Barrington

All kinds of foolishness? I’m guessing she’s referring to evolution. Or anything that involves evidence.

If only we could allow “true wisdom,” like the idea that one can have a virgin birth, or that dead people you know are waiting for you in Heaven, or that if you mis-name a teddy bear, you could be physically punished…

But if Teri’s right, I send my congratulations to Rob Sherman, who has another victory under his belt!


[tags]atheist, atheism[/tags]

  • Mriana

    You know, I really cannot stand the rampid ignorance that goes on in the minds of Fundies. If there is no deity involved they get bent. :roll: Funny thing though, these people are the same ones who get bent if it’s from a Catholic or Presbrytarian (sp?) view too. It has to be their way or else. And how are they so sure God does exist anyway?

    Somehow, as we progress in the next few years, these people are really going to get bent, start screaming persecution, and probably find ways to kill themselves. :roll: Whatever. Let them do as they please, but leave us out of it.

  • Gadren

    *sigh*

    Sounds like Teri has no clue about the difference between atheism and secularism, and why saying “Goddidit” isn’t a good way to go about academic inquiry.

    Then again, these are the sorts of people whose belief systems demand a black and white universe, so if America’s schools aren’t True Christian(TM), then they’re atheist.

  • http://badidea.wordpress.com Bad

    Their argument is basically that if they don’t lift their leg and pee on it to mark their territory, then it’s exactly like someone else peed on it.

    How about NO ONE pees on on public schools, m’kay?

  • Mriana

    Then again, these are the sorts of people whose belief systems demand a black and white universe, so if America’s schools aren’t True Christian(TM), then they’re atheist.

    And this is what pisses me off about such people- the battle of the definition of Christian. Those who have this “True Christian” definition don’t act like they know anything about anything. It is these same people who would call my Church of Christ friend, MikeC, Linda, and many more liberal Christians, atheists. :roll: Then we hear the battle of the Christians over the definition of Christian. They can’t even get along with themselves much less others and are the source of in-fighting- Christians persecuting Christians, which has gone on since the pre-Roman Christian era. Before Roman Christianity became predominant, Gnostic X-ians, Marcian Christians, and a slew of other sects, were persecuted by groups trying to dominate and that is how Roman Christainity eventually won out. It’s an ongoing story to this day and currently it is the Religious Reich that is trying to strong arm people’s beliefs. Rome seems to be backing off some.

    It gets really old hearing all this crap, but if the Religious Reich had their way, the U.S. would have their Dark Age and everyone would bow to them and give them lipservice at least concerning beliefs or be throttled.

  • Gary Charbonneau

    Mriana said, And this is what pisses me off about such people- the battle of the definition of Christian. Those who have this “True Christian” definition don’t act like they know anything about anything. It is these same people who would call my Church of Christ friend, MikeC, Linda, and many more liberal Christians, atheists. Then we hear the battle of the Christians over the definition of Christian

    If I understand Mike C. correctly, such people have every right to define “Christian” however they might see fit, and neither he, nor you, nor I, nor anyone else has any right to get pissed off about it.

  • Mriana

    Yes, but Gary, does this mean that MikeC’s or my Church of Christ friend’s definition is any less worthy than the Religious Reichs’ definition? I don’t think so, but a Religious Reicher would disagree and insist that their definition is utterly and completely wrong and dispute insues. Somehow that doesn’t seem right to me and quite cruel as well as hateful. Where does it say in the NT that one should be hateful of those who do not see Christianity as another Christian does? I know of none, except maybe Paul’s interpretation and actions that the author(s) of Paul’s epistles (a form of literature in letter style) comment about occassionally. Even then one can’t just demand that everyone define it their way. Then again, I’m just a humanist (and X-Christian) looking in on the situation/dispute, so my observation must be worthless too.

  • Gary Charbonneau

    Mriana said, Yes, but Gary, does this mean that MikeC’s or my Church of Christ friend’s definition is any less worthy than the Religious Reichs’ definition?

    He has certainly left no ground for any argument that it is any more worthy. They are just as entitled as you to define “Christian” however they please, even if that means having the right to exclude some people (by definition!) from the ranks of the “true Christians” because it suits their theocratic purposes.

    Your use of the phrase “Religious Reich” is a nice touch, by the way. It shows how you, for one, have grasped the importance of seizing control of the vocabulary in order to define “others” as “the Other.”

  • http://groundedinreality.blogspot.com Bruce

    Ahhh, small-minded Mid-Western values. It’s what makes American so great!

  • Mriana

    Your use of the phrase “Religious Reich” is a nice touch, by the way. It shows how you, for one, have grasped the importance of seizing control of the vocabulary in order to define “others” as “the Other.”

    Thank you… I think. It does make it a whole lot clearer as to who I mean and few Christians seem to resent my use of words in that manner. They know exactly who I am talking about and they know it’s not them- unless they are part of that group. I have found that many liberal and progressive Christians resent the Religious Reich too. There are, amazingly, even some Fundamentalist groups who resent them also.

    Bruce said,

    December 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    Ahhh, small-minded Mid-Western values. It’s what makes American so great!

    Bruce, will you please define “small-minded Mid-Western values” and just who you mean by that remark? I’m not sure if I should resent that remark or not.

  • Matt

    That’s the problem with these people – she shows her ignorance by using an oxymoron like “Atheistic Beliefs”.

  • Jen

    In all fairness, pretty much all the letters in the Daily Herald make me want to punch something. And while I have never been, I have a friend that grew up in Barrington and she says it is the largest collection of small-minded, classist, sexist, racist assholes she ever met (being a rich, queer, Indian girl, she noticed).

    In my years being educated at Illinois public schools, I never once heard a reference to atheism. I am fairly certain that most of my teachers were in some way religious.

    Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, “Religious Reich”. No doubt it was some evil mean leftist blogger who was watching the 700 Club and sobbing. The RR wants to be seperate of all our terrible fun sin, in the sense that they want us to all convert so that they don’t ever have to face temptation.

  • Mriana

    Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, “Religious Reich”.

    I had no idea. I guess great minds think alike. Wonder who thought of it first because I’ve been using that term for a couple of years now and I never heard it before. Whatever the case, this guy you mentioned and myself obviously think alike.

  • Jen

    I am sure I have been hearing it for years now. Google says there are 23,000 uses of it, and its right here in the Urban Dictionary. I have no idea where it came from; perhaps Mriana did invent it, but its been a commonly used term on blogs for at least a while now.

  • Mriana

    :lol: Well if I did, it would be a first. It just seems like very appropriate words for them, whatever the case.

  • http://heathendad.blogspot.com/ HappyNat

    If I understand Mike C. correctly, such people have every right to define “Christian” however they might see fit, and neither he, nor you, nor I, nor anyone else has any right to get pissed off about it.

    Telling me I don’t have the right to get pissed off pisses me off.

  • Mriana

    :lol: Thank you, HappyNat!

  • RHawk68

    Ugh! There’s little that makes my blood boil more than attacks on the public schools. As a public school teacher, a member of the NEA (largest teachers’ union) and an atheist, it always bothers me when outsiders complain about things they know little to nothing about.

    I read letters to the editor and get those e-mail and MySpace forwards all the time claiming that public schools are breeding grounds for “evil secularism” and that kind of garbage. I should share some of my responses. Sometimes I can let it go, but when it goes after my profession, my love, I just cannot. I take a stand. And it’s cost me before. I’ve had fights with friends and been called most often both “godless” (duh…) and “un-American”.

    Sheesh…

    We’re doing just fine here – even here in Texas – in our nation’s public schools, thank you very much. Sure, we’ve got our share of problems and issues, but we’re dealing with them and working hard. Quit trying to shove religion at us!

  • http://danielkitta.org/ Daniel Elstner

    Urgh, may I join the party? Because now I’m pissed, too. “Religious Reich”, WTF? You’ve got to be kidding. I can understand if someone blurts out a phrase like that impulsively, for instance when emotions are running high during the course of a heated argument.

    But to actually be proud of it, and defend its regular use as reasonable? Come on. It’s not even a particularly intelligent pun. Sounds more like something a thirteen-year-old would come up with, giggling. Being an atheist myself, silly and ignorant rhetoric like that really pisses me off. It’s certainly not friendly, nor rational for that matter.

    And before anyone gets started — you are of course entitled to say whatever you like. But you don’t have to.