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	<title>Comments on: Christians Not Participating in &#8220;Friendly&#8221; Dialogue?</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Hemant Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98912</link>
		<dc:creator>Hemant Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They guy is just not as cool as Hemant! That is why his site is failing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If this was the standard of blog success, all other sites would be hopeless :)  

(Thank you for the short-lived ego boost.  I shall now go back to reading other blogs written by people so much cooler than me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They guy is just not as cool as Hemant! That is why his site is failing.</p></blockquote>
<p>If this was the standard of blog success, all other sites would be hopeless <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>(Thank you for the short-lived ego boost.  I shall now go back to reading other blogs written by people so much cooler than me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cecchini</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98830</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cecchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. What is a &quot;liver&quot; supposed to do if he/she also happens to host a blog? Can you have your cake and eat it too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. What is a &#8220;liver&#8221; supposed to do if he/she also happens to host a blog? Can you have your cake and eat it too?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98812</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’ll find that a surprising number or Christians (especially the younger/less traditional ones) will have the same mentality as me: live the gospel. Living the gospel isn’t limited to preaching, handing out bibles, or telling people about Jesus. To us it’s a more practical day-to-day lifestyle. Giving money, helping the poor, loving people, serving people, sharing our stories…things like that (as MikeClawson has said). We don’t hear from those people as much, though. Instead, you’ll find mainly the loud, outspoken RELIGIOUS Christians doing their thing on the Internet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which is sort of obvious. If the Christians who believe more in action than in preaching are out acting and not preaching, then of course you&#039;re mainly going to hear from the outspoken preacher evangelist types on blogs, etc. They&#039;re the ones still doing the talking after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You’ll find that a surprising number or Christians (especially the younger/less traditional ones) will have the same mentality as me: live the gospel. Living the gospel isn’t limited to preaching, handing out bibles, or telling people about Jesus. To us it’s a more practical day-to-day lifestyle. Giving money, helping the poor, loving people, serving people, sharing our stories…things like that (as MikeClawson has said). We don’t hear from those people as much, though. Instead, you’ll find mainly the loud, outspoken RELIGIOUS Christians doing their thing on the Internet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is sort of obvious. If the Christians who believe more in action than in preaching are out acting and not preaching, then of course you&#8217;re mainly going to hear from the outspoken preacher evangelist types on blogs, etc. They&#8217;re the ones still doing the talking after all.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98811</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It may depend on whether the Christians on the site are/were open to understanding the atheist perspective or not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It may depend on whether the Christians on the site are/were open to understanding the atheist perspective or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>And vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cecchini</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98794</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cecchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, Bill from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.friendlychristian.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FriendlyChristian&lt;/a&gt; here...

The site is anything but failing. Our numbers are steadily increasing. I&#039;ve just seen a significant drop in the number of Christians who comment. I&#039;m the type of person who&#039;s gonna call it like I see it. That&#039;s really all the post was about.

I agree with MikeClawson &amp; Skeptigator&#039;s comment.

&lt;strong&gt;@grazatt...&lt;/strong&gt;
You&#039;re right. I&#039;m definitely not as cool as Hemant.  ;-)

&lt;strong&gt;@Greta Christina...&lt;/strong&gt;
You&#039;ll find that a surprising number or Christians (especially the younger/less traditional ones) will have the same mentality as me: live the gospel. Living the gospel isn&#039;t limited to preaching, handing out bibles, or telling people about Jesus. To us it&#039;s a more practical day-to-day lifestyle. Giving money, helping the poor, loving people, serving people, sharing our stories...things like that (&lt;a href=&quot;http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98515&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as MikeClawson has said&lt;/a&gt;). We don&#039;t hear from those people as much, though. Instead, you&#039;ll find mainly the loud, outspoken RELIGIOUS Christians doing their thing on the Internet.

I&#039;m with the original FriendlyChristian commentor. I&#039;m all about building relationships, having discussion, and getting to know a person. For me this is much easier to do in person. The website is just another medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, Bill from <a href="http://www.friendlychristian.com" rel="nofollow">FriendlyChristian</a> here&#8230;</p>
<p>The site is anything but failing. Our numbers are steadily increasing. I&#8217;ve just seen a significant drop in the number of Christians who comment. I&#8217;m the type of person who&#8217;s gonna call it like I see it. That&#8217;s really all the post was about.</p>
<p>I agree with MikeClawson &amp; Skeptigator&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p><strong>@grazatt&#8230;</strong><br />
You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;m definitely not as cool as Hemant.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@Greta Christina&#8230;</strong><br />
You&#8217;ll find that a surprising number or Christians (especially the younger/less traditional ones) will have the same mentality as me: live the gospel. Living the gospel isn&#8217;t limited to preaching, handing out bibles, or telling people about Jesus. To us it&#8217;s a more practical day-to-day lifestyle. Giving money, helping the poor, loving people, serving people, sharing our stories&#8230;things like that (<a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98515" rel="nofollow">as MikeClawson has said</a>). We don&#8217;t hear from those people as much, though. Instead, you&#8217;ll find mainly the loud, outspoken RELIGIOUS Christians doing their thing on the Internet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with the original FriendlyChristian commentor. I&#8217;m all about building relationships, having discussion, and getting to know a person. For me this is much easier to do in person. The website is just another medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Viggo the Carpathian</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98790</link>
		<dc:creator>Viggo the Carpathian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Christians, if my friends and family are any indication, avoid opposing viewpoints because they think that opposition is tantamount to an attack from the devil. That is over-stating the issue but most will admit that they have to attend church on a regular basis and surround themselves with like minded people or worldly(e.g. rational) thoughts start to invade. 

Personally, I don&#039;t like any system that requires constant indoctrination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Christians, if my friends and family are any indication, avoid opposing viewpoints because they think that opposition is tantamount to an attack from the devil. That is over-stating the issue but most will admit that they have to attend church on a regular basis and surround themselves with like minded people or worldly(e.g. rational) thoughts start to invade. </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t like any system that requires constant indoctrination.</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Christina</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98786</link>
		<dc:creator>Greta Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;… one of the best ways to share your experiences with Christ is in person. Most people are better at showing Christ rather than just telling them. People hear enough about Christ and it is hard to show [genuine] love via the internet.&quot;

I also disagree with this analysis. If it were true, there would be very few online blogs/ discussion groups/ etc. for Christians... and that&#039;s clearly not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;… one of the best ways to share your experiences with Christ is in person. Most people are better at showing Christ rather than just telling them. People hear enough about Christ and it is hard to show [genuine] love via the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also disagree with this analysis. If it were true, there would be very few online blogs/ discussion groups/ etc. for Christians&#8230; and that&#8217;s clearly not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptigator</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/05/christians-not-participating-in-friendly-dialogue/#comment-98763</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a semi-frequent participant on FriendlyChristian&#039;s blog and forum, I posted some of my thoughts in the comments and I&#039;ll repeat them here. At first blush, Christmas seemed like a good reason but I don&#039;t necessarily buy it. Bill has the posting stats I assume, he could figure out when the &quot;die off&quot; happened and I have a feeling it was well before the Christmas season. 

I will say some of the comment exchanges got pretty heated and may have generated a bit of animosity. And ironicly the Christians were the ones who may not have felt very welcome anymore. 

It&#039;s a shame because Bill does a great job with the site and forum. It&#039;s no small task to maintain a site where atheists and christians share a space. I just wish that if the Christians felt pushed out they would have spoken up instead of fading out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a semi-frequent participant on FriendlyChristian&#8217;s blog and forum, I posted some of my thoughts in the comments and I&#8217;ll repeat them here. At first blush, Christmas seemed like a good reason but I don&#8217;t necessarily buy it. Bill has the posting stats I assume, he could figure out when the &#8220;die off&#8221; happened and I have a feeling it was well before the Christmas season. </p>
<p>I will say some of the comment exchanges got pretty heated and may have generated a bit of animosity. And ironicly the Christians were the ones who may not have felt very welcome anymore. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame because Bill does a great job with the site and forum. It&#8217;s no small task to maintain a site where atheists and christians share a space. I just wish that if the Christians felt pushed out they would have spoken up instead of fading out.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may depend on whether the Christians on the site are/were open to understanding the atheist perspective or not. My experience with these discussions over the past couple of years is that the vast majority of fundamentalist Christians who stumble in don&#039;t stick around very long (with a couple of rare exceptions). 

They arrive with the intent to evangelize and then they&#039;re intrigued when they find out that atheists don&#039;t fit all the evil stereotypes they hear about in church. This, in my view, is the positive outcome of these sites - at least they come to realize that atheists aren&#039;t all baby-killers. ;-)

However, once they get seriously challenged on their beliefs and they realize all the atheists have heard the gospel and found it flawed, there&#039;s not much interest on their part in continuing the discussion. That&#039;s when they disappear. 

There are pastors who warn believers not to associate with unbelievers and scriptures that tell them if their message is rejected to move on and &quot;shake the dust off their feet&quot; lest they be tainted by worldly types like us. So, I guess they&#039;re just following the teaching they get. Either that, or they&#039;re deeply threatened by some of the discussions and they run away out of fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may depend on whether the Christians on the site are/were open to understanding the atheist perspective or not. My experience with these discussions over the past couple of years is that the vast majority of fundamentalist Christians who stumble in don&#8217;t stick around very long (with a couple of rare exceptions). </p>
<p>They arrive with the intent to evangelize and then they&#8217;re intrigued when they find out that atheists don&#8217;t fit all the evil stereotypes they hear about in church. This, in my view, is the positive outcome of these sites &#8211; at least they come to realize that atheists aren&#8217;t all baby-killers. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, once they get seriously challenged on their beliefs and they realize all the atheists have heard the gospel and found it flawed, there&#8217;s not much interest on their part in continuing the discussion. That&#8217;s when they disappear. </p>
<p>There are pastors who warn believers not to associate with unbelievers and scriptures that tell them if their message is rejected to move on and &#8220;shake the dust off their feet&#8221; lest they be tainted by worldly types like us. So, I guess they&#8217;re just following the teaching they get. Either that, or they&#8217;re deeply threatened by some of the discussions and they run away out of fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik still reads it, I don&#039;t know if he comments though.</description>
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