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	<title>Comments on: Superstition Makes Her Paranoid</title>
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		<title>By: Tao Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/12/20/superstition-makes-her-paranoid/#comment-105546</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gsb said,
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are representing your readings as anything other than a parlour trick, yes, that makes you a charlatan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wholeheartedly disagree.  My &quot;readings&quot; were often illuminating and helpful.  One of my very best friends I met while doing readings for people at University.  He eventually came to understand how I was able to do it but he always respected the value of my &quot;ability.&quot;  

I never did it for money, but I really don&#039;t see any problem at all with people making a living off of this, IF they are good at it.  If a psychic atmosphere makes a person feel more comfortable (than say, talking to friends about their issues, or a therapist) then I don&#039;t see the problem.   Again, I&#039;m making a distinction between entertainers (the frauds) and the intuitive/NLP/psychology/people reading/cold reading experts.  The latter definitely exists, even if the former is more common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gsb said,</p>
<blockquote><p>If you are representing your readings as anything other than a parlour trick, yes, that makes you a charlatan.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wholeheartedly disagree.  My &#8220;readings&#8221; were often illuminating and helpful.  One of my very best friends I met while doing readings for people at University.  He eventually came to understand how I was able to do it but he always respected the value of my &#8220;ability.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I never did it for money, but I really don&#8217;t see any problem at all with people making a living off of this, IF they are good at it.  If a psychic atmosphere makes a person feel more comfortable (than say, talking to friends about their issues, or a therapist) then I don&#8217;t see the problem.   Again, I&#8217;m making a distinction between entertainers (the frauds) and the intuitive/NLP/psychology/people reading/cold reading experts.  The latter definitely exists, even if the former is more common.</p>
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		<title>By: gsb</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does that make me a charlatan?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you are representing your readings as anything other than a parlour trick, yes, that makes you a charlatan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does that make me a charlatan?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you are representing your readings as anything other than a parlour trick, yes, that makes you a charlatan.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t discount all of metaphysics because of the floopy language.. there is quite likely some rational and/or scientific explanation going on in the background.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know there&#039;s a rational explanation going on - it&#039;s already been mentioned here several times. A) Psychics/mystics read people, and b) they speak in vague and extremely general terms. &quot;Your first husband will die&quot; is hardly a good prophecy, because it has a decent chance of coming true either way; if a psychic told me on what day my spouse would die, or how, &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; I would be impressed when it came true.

That&#039;s all there is to it. Readings that come true are coincidences, intentionally made more likely by dodgy language. I&#039;m more than willing to discount pseudoscientific nonsense that says otherwise, along with whatever weird definition of &quot;metaphysics&quot; you&#039;re using.

As for the other issue, every psychic and tarot reader has disclaimers that it&#039;s all just for entertainment purposes. That&#039;s how they shield themselves from liability. It&#039;s hard to say how many of them actually take themselves seriously, but I honestly don&#039;t care. There&#039;s nothing illegal or harmful going on; my only point is that Abby is entirely wrong in her distinction. It&#039;s all fake, whether the psychic/mystic says so or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t discount all of metaphysics because of the floopy language.. there is quite likely some rational and/or scientific explanation going on in the background.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know there&#8217;s a rational explanation going on &#8211; it&#8217;s already been mentioned here several times. A) Psychics/mystics read people, and b) they speak in vague and extremely general terms. &#8220;Your first husband will die&#8221; is hardly a good prophecy, because it has a decent chance of coming true either way; if a psychic told me on what day my spouse would die, or how, <i>then</i> I would be impressed when it came true.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all there is to it. Readings that come true are coincidences, intentionally made more likely by dodgy language. I&#8217;m more than willing to discount pseudoscientific nonsense that says otherwise, along with whatever weird definition of &#8220;metaphysics&#8221; you&#8217;re using.</p>
<p>As for the other issue, every psychic and tarot reader has disclaimers that it&#8217;s all just for entertainment purposes. That&#8217;s how they shield themselves from liability. It&#8217;s hard to say how many of them actually take themselves seriously, but I honestly don&#8217;t care. There&#8217;s nothing illegal or harmful going on; my only point is that Abby is entirely wrong in her distinction. It&#8217;s all fake, whether the psychic/mystic says so or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did dirk plagerize Hemant and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unscrewingtheinscrutable.com/node/1670&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;steal his joke&lt;/a&gt;?

Or is it merely coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did dirk plagerize Hemant and <a href="http://www.unscrewingtheinscrutable.com/node/1670" rel="nofollow">steal his joke</a>?</p>
<p>Or is it merely coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I might have prefferred a slam-down Abby&#039;s intent might be more about offering some help the letter writer would be willing to accept. People generally aren&#039;t willing to accept help when it makes them feel like an idiot.

And I think Abby&#039;s right. Some palm readers aren&#039;t charlatans. Some are skilled cold readers who are entertainers in the vein of magicians and don&#039;t pretend otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I might have prefferred a slam-down Abby&#8217;s intent might be more about offering some help the letter writer would be willing to accept. People generally aren&#8217;t willing to accept help when it makes them feel like an idiot.</p>
<p>And I think Abby&#8217;s right. Some palm readers aren&#8217;t charlatans. Some are skilled cold readers who are entertainers in the vein of magicians and don&#8217;t pretend otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: J. J. Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. J. Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane: &quot;Trying to create a more favourable interpretation of the reading is the wrong approach.&quot;

I&#039;d say that it is less about finding a &quot;favourable&quot; reading and more about  implying how a cold reader can use known probabilities, i.e. that wives usually outlive their husbands, to make a prediction that appears to be specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane: &#8220;Trying to create a more favourable interpretation of the reading is the wrong approach.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that it is less about finding a &#8220;favourable&#8221; reading and more about  implying how a cold reader can use known probabilities, i.e. that wives usually outlive their husbands, to make a prediction that appears to be specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were an evil tarot (terror) card reader, I would recognize that within the framework of Christianity (as the bible says), the door to Heaven is very narrow and the door to Hell is very wide.   If I sized the customer up as being religious (as most are who go see psychics)  I could predict that her husband will be tortured for all eternity in Hell.  Then she could spend her time worrying about the man she loves being eternally tortured and not worry so much about the slight statistical advantage that her husband will pass away first.

If she wasn&#039;t religious, she would not worry about either tarot card predictions or eternal torturing and just concentrate on living her life with quality in the here and now.  Eat well, exercise, reduce stress and you just might live a little longer and better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were an evil tarot (terror) card reader, I would recognize that within the framework of Christianity (as the bible says), the door to Heaven is very narrow and the door to Hell is very wide.   If I sized the customer up as being religious (as most are who go see psychics)  I could predict that her husband will be tortured for all eternity in Hell.  Then she could spend her time worrying about the man she loves being eternally tortured and not worry so much about the slight statistical advantage that her husband will pass away first.</p>
<p>If she wasn&#8217;t religious, she would not worry about either tarot card predictions or eternal torturing and just concentrate on living her life with quality in the here and now.  Eat well, exercise, reduce stress and you just might live a little longer and better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tao Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tao Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done Tarot and other &quot;psychic&quot; predictions for people that have turned out to be quite accurate.  

Some of the times I have played it up for entertainment purposes.

I wouldn&#039;t say I&#039;m psychic (though I have said it, for entertainment purposes).. just that I&#039;m generally pretty good at reading people.  

Does that make me a charlatan?  Would it make a difference if I charged for my services?  

IMO, good psychics are just good at reading people and putting on a show.  There are psychics who are only good at putting on a show and being vague... these would be the charlatans IMO.  

Don&#039;t discount all of metaphysics because of the floopy language.. there is quite likely some rational and/or scientific explanation going on in the background.

Tarot/palmistry == psychology, NLP
Religion == IDEA of religion.  

Just because there isn&#039;t a psychic connection between people, doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t a psychological connection dressed up as a psychic connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done Tarot and other &#8220;psychic&#8221; predictions for people that have turned out to be quite accurate.  </p>
<p>Some of the times I have played it up for entertainment purposes.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say I&#8217;m psychic (though I have said it, for entertainment purposes).. just that I&#8217;m generally pretty good at reading people.  </p>
<p>Does that make me a charlatan?  Would it make a difference if I charged for my services?  </p>
<p>IMO, good psychics are just good at reading people and putting on a show.  There are psychics who are only good at putting on a show and being vague&#8230; these would be the charlatans IMO.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t discount all of metaphysics because of the floopy language.. there is quite likely some rational and/or scientific explanation going on in the background.</p>
<p>Tarot/palmistry == psychology, NLP<br />
Religion == IDEA of religion.  </p>
<p>Just because there isn&#8217;t a psychic connection between people, doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t a psychological connection dressed up as a psychic connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s bothersome to see Abby give any credit to psychics and their ilk. No psychic is &quot;remarkably accurate.&quot; They all speak so vaguely and universally that the duped customer could potentially apply the &quot;prophecy&quot; to just about anything. People also tend to underestimate just how much a skilled observer can tell about them - as most of you here probably know, that&#039;s called cold reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bothersome to see Abby give any credit to psychics and their ilk. No psychic is &#8220;remarkably accurate.&#8221; They all speak so vaguely and universally that the duped customer could potentially apply the &#8220;prophecy&#8221; to just about anything. People also tend to underestimate just how much a skilled observer can tell about them &#8211; as most of you here probably know, that&#8217;s called cold reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course some are good at their predictions.  They are better at being charlatans than the rest of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course some are good at their predictions.  They are better at being charlatans than the rest of them.</p>
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