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	<title>Comments on: Reporter Asks: Catholic or Roman Catholic?</title>
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	<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/01/08/reporter-asks-catholic-or-roman-catholic/</link>
	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: HappyNat</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/01/08/reporter-asks-catholic-or-roman-catholic/#comment-113477</link>
		<dc:creator>HappyNat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or Roman Rational Scientific Skeptic&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right on, Skep.  RRSS is the only way to be!  Those damn RSSers are just splitters.  

That reminds me, Are you the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judean People&#039;s Front&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or Roman Rational Scientific Skeptic</p></blockquote>
<p>Right on, Skep.  RRSS is the only way to be!  Those damn RSSers are just splitters.  </p>
<p>That reminds me, Are you the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE" rel="nofollow">Judean People&#8217;s Front</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptigator</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/01/08/reporter-asks-catholic-or-roman-catholic/#comment-113358</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been lurking on that post as well. I personally come down on the side of being a &quot;Rational Scientific Skeptic&quot; = One who practices rational, scientific skepticism. Which means that any skepticism that I have uses science and reason as a means for understanding. 

Or Roman Rational Scientific Skeptic when HappyNat is around ;)

Honestly labels are simply shortcuts for understanding and should never be used a definitions of people. 

Skeptigator
&quot;A Democrat from Indiana smells an awful lot like a Massachusetts Republican&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been lurking on that post as well. I personally come down on the side of being a &#8220;Rational Scientific Skeptic&#8221; = One who practices rational, scientific skepticism. Which means that any skepticism that I have uses science and reason as a means for understanding. </p>
<p>Or Roman Rational Scientific Skeptic when HappyNat is around <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Honestly labels are simply shortcuts for understanding and should never be used a definitions of people. </p>
<p>Skeptigator<br />
&#8220;A Democrat from Indiana smells an awful lot like a Massachusetts Republican&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There aren’t very many misconceptions about the word skepticism, the most prevalent being that people think it means refusal to believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On that topic, there&#039;s a discussion on &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/2008/01/what_giraffe_taught_me_about_s.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aardvarchaeology&lt;/a&gt; in which people are disputing the use of &quot;skeptic&quot; to describe the skeptical movement.  It all strikes me as excessively curmudgeonly and wrongly prescriptivist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There aren’t very many misconceptions about the word skepticism, the most prevalent being that people think it means refusal to believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>On that topic, there&#8217;s a discussion on <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/2008/01/what_giraffe_taught_me_about_s.php" rel="nofollow">Aardvarchaeology</a> in which people are disputing the use of &#8220;skeptic&#8221; to describe the skeptical movement.  It all strikes me as excessively curmudgeonly and wrongly prescriptivist.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyNat</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/01/08/reporter-asks-catholic-or-roman-catholic/#comment-113198</link>
		<dc:creator>HappyNat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I consider the most accurate label for myself to be “skeptic.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ahem, I think you mean &quot;Roman skeptic&quot; . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I consider the most accurate label for myself to be “skeptic.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Ahem, I think you mean &#8220;Roman skeptic&#8221; . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Richard.  I guess the most accurate term for me would be agnostic, but overall I prefer skeptic most of all.  Humanist is okay too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Richard.  I guess the most accurate term for me would be agnostic, but overall I prefer skeptic most of all.  Humanist is okay too.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way I have no trouble identifying with either of the Humanist Minimum Statements that Ben has quoted, so that label is okay with me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way I have no trouble identifying with either of the Humanist Minimum Statements that Ben has quoted, so that label is okay with me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider the most accurate label for myself to be &quot;skeptic.&quot;  That&#039;s a deep part of my personality and it dominates my points of view of just about everything.  That is what results in my atheism, which is secondary and only a small part of my life.  There aren&#039;t very many misconceptions about the word skepticism, the most prevalent being that people think it means refusal to believe. I don&#039;t mind patiently explaining that the root word means to look, so it actually means to insist on seeing before giving belief.  

However on this site I identify myself as an atheist precisely &lt;em&gt;because &lt;/em&gt;of all the misconceptions and negative stereotypes.  I want to de-curse the word by not living up to the awful things that misinformed people assume about atheists. I also confess a little glee when the worst bigots feel confounded.

I understand the discomfort some have with the term atheism because it&#039;s a word that has to define itself by referring to its opposite and it says nothing about what else there may be to the person, but I&#039;ve resolved to accept that at this point in history atheism is like an island in a sea of theism.  Islands are defined as such by the water that surrounds them more than by a quality about them themselves.  If some day a thousand years from now belief in gods is the small island in a sea of freedom from belief in gods, probably by then we will have come up with a new term for our viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider the most accurate label for myself to be &#8220;skeptic.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a deep part of my personality and it dominates my points of view of just about everything.  That is what results in my atheism, which is secondary and only a small part of my life.  There aren&#8217;t very many misconceptions about the word skepticism, the most prevalent being that people think it means refusal to believe. I don&#8217;t mind patiently explaining that the root word means to look, so it actually means to insist on seeing before giving belief.  </p>
<p>However on this site I identify myself as an atheist precisely <em>because </em>of all the misconceptions and negative stereotypes.  I want to de-curse the word by not living up to the awful things that misinformed people assume about atheists. I also confess a little glee when the worst bigots feel confounded.</p>
<p>I understand the discomfort some have with the term atheism because it&#8217;s a word that has to define itself by referring to its opposite and it says nothing about what else there may be to the person, but I&#8217;ve resolved to accept that at this point in history atheism is like an island in a sea of theism.  Islands are defined as such by the water that surrounds them more than by a quality about them themselves.  If some day a thousand years from now belief in gods is the small island in a sea of freedom from belief in gods, probably by then we will have come up with a new term for our viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can probably tell that I’m growing to dislike the label of “atheist”. Defining a group for what they don’t believe in encompasses too many things. Secular humanist at least says that I uphold reason, ethics and justice as important ideals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On the flip side, defining a group for what they do believe in encompasses too few things.  I think that when in a large group like the one Hemant mentions, the larger, more general term should win out.  Of course, by that logic, they should probably go with &quot;freethinker&quot; or just &quot;non-religious&quot;

I can&#039;t say I ever remember finding &quot;Roman Catholic&quot; insulting.  We used the label ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can probably tell that I’m growing to dislike the label of “atheist”. Defining a group for what they don’t believe in encompasses too many things. Secular humanist at least says that I uphold reason, ethics and justice as important ideals.</p></blockquote>
<p>On the flip side, defining a group for what they do believe in encompasses too few things.  I think that when in a large group like the one Hemant mentions, the larger, more general term should win out.  Of course, by that logic, they should probably go with &#8220;freethinker&#8221; or just &#8220;non-religious&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I ever remember finding &#8220;Roman Catholic&#8221; insulting.  We used the label ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, Secular Humanism has a set of beliefs &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Humanist Minimum Statement is all you really need, and I think few atheists would disagree with much of it:  Or the American Humanist definition.

AHA - &quot;Humanism is a progressive lifestance that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.&quot; 

IHEU minimum statement - &quot;Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humanist_Association</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the other hand, Secular Humanism has a set of beliefs </p></blockquote>
<p>The Humanist Minimum Statement is all you really need, and I think few atheists would disagree with much of it:  Or the American Humanist definition.</p>
<p>AHA &#8211; &#8220;Humanism is a progressive lifestance that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.&#8221; </p>
<p>IHEU minimum statement &#8211; &#8220;Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humanist_Association" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humanist_Association</a></p>
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		<title>By: Skeptigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake

If you want a very in-depth analysis of what Atheism is (and more importantly what it is not) I would suggest George Smith&#039;s Atheism: The Case Against God.

If you want a brief synapsis it&#039;s that Atheism simply says that &quot;I do not believe in any god(s)&quot;. It doesn&#039;t say anything about what someone actually believes. For example, I could say the following and be absolutely correct, &quot; I do not believe that there are any gods and that all redheaded people should be imprisoned&quot;. That would be a perfectly consistent statement for any atheist to state, because the first statement is a statement of atheism and the second is a positive statement of belief (that is not inconsistent with the first). 

On the other hand, Secular Humanism has a set of beliefs (if you want to know what they are and this is certainly not comprehensive or authoritative, check out http://humaniststudies.org to start). To take one example, some humanists believe that we should do everything possible to end suffering, so to make the same statement above would be incompatible with humanism. 

The problem isn&#039;t that both make potentially conflicting positive statements of belief, one simply doesn&#039;t necessarily inform the other. Someone like George Smith does a much better job than I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake</p>
<p>If you want a very in-depth analysis of what Atheism is (and more importantly what it is not) I would suggest George Smith&#8217;s Atheism: The Case Against God.</p>
<p>If you want a brief synapsis it&#8217;s that Atheism simply says that &#8220;I do not believe in any god(s)&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t say anything about what someone actually believes. For example, I could say the following and be absolutely correct, &#8221; I do not believe that there are any gods and that all redheaded people should be imprisoned&#8221;. That would be a perfectly consistent statement for any atheist to state, because the first statement is a statement of atheism and the second is a positive statement of belief (that is not inconsistent with the first). </p>
<p>On the other hand, Secular Humanism has a set of beliefs (if you want to know what they are and this is certainly not comprehensive or authoritative, check out <a href="http://humaniststudies.org" rel="nofollow">http://humaniststudies.org</a> to start). To take one example, some humanists believe that we should do everything possible to end suffering, so to make the same statement above would be incompatible with humanism. </p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that both make potentially conflicting positive statements of belief, one simply doesn&#8217;t necessarily inform the other. Someone like George Smith does a much better job than I can do.</p>
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